Castle long clone recipe? Anyone?

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4 parts ky bourbon
1 part (madagascar) vanilla bourbon
2 parts nut bread (acetyl pyrazine)
2 parts toasted almond
1 part vanillin
1 part brown sugar extra
1 part coconut extra (adding more won't improve)
So if I'm understanding this correctly, each "part" represents 0.83%. For a total of 10% flavoring? So
4 parts ky bourbon - 3.33%
1 part vanilla bourbon - 0.83%
2 parts AP - 1.67%
2 parts toasted almond - 1.67%
1 part vanillin - 0.83%
1 part brown sugar extra - 0.83%
1 part coconut extra - 0.83%

Seems like a lot of AP to me... But willing to give it a try if my math is correct?
 

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So if I'm understanding this correctly, each "part" represents 0.83%. For a total of 10% flavoring? So
4 parts ky bourbon - 3.33%
1 part vanilla bourbon - 0.83%
2 parts AP - 1.67%
2 parts toasted almond - 1.67%
1 part vanillin - 0.83%
1 part brown sugar extra - 0.83%
1 part coconut extra - 0.83%

Seems like a lot of AP to me... But willing to give it a try if my math is correct?

curly, i made a batch of flavor base last night substituting 1ml for each part. i increased toasted almond 1 part for 3ml total. made 13ml of base. used 3ml of base to produce one 30ml bottle of juice. i prefer 10% flavor ratio in my personal vapes and designed the recipe around that. if you don't mind a greater % of flavorings in your juice, 12-15% application will come closer to the real thing. CL is a little too strong for my ADV. the extra almond helped should mazinny read this. your math is accurate. also don't worry about the AP, it helps support the toasted/roasted savor.
 

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I just finished placing an order for the rest of the flavoring I need for this, I'll have it Monday.
Have you tried Capella Coconut? Best coconut I've had

i will place an order. had not seen this post before i responded earlier. thanks, it's the element that could use improvement.
 

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curly, i made a batch of flavor base last night substituting 1ml for each part. i increased toasted almond 1 part for 3ml total. made 13ml of base. used 3ml of base to produce one 30ml bottle of juice. i prefer 10% flavor ratio in my personal vapes and designed the recipe around that. if you don't mind a greater % of flavorings in your juice, 12-15% application will come closer to the real thing. CL is a little too strong for my ADV. the extra almond helped should mazinny read this. your math is accurate. also don't worry about the AP, it helps support the toasted/roasted savor.

Tbh, I've never had CL, but people seem to love it, gets great reviews. But since I started DIY, I just can't justify paying so much for juice... This recipe looks like it's tasty so I got a couple sample sizes to give it a try. I just didn't have the bourbons in my flavor stock. I'll have them Monday, what's your recommend steep time for this recipe?
 

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i think you will be pleased. placed a wizard lab order before coming to the forum this evening. give us a review of the result.
In Seattle for a while longer ... will place an order when I am about to fo back home. I will probably use 500 ml pg, 300 ml vg, 120 ml nic ( 100 mg/ml ), and 104 ml flavoring at the ratios you suggested. Easier that way. 1024 ml of juice about 70/30 , 11.8 mg/ml nic.

Steeping suggestions ?

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i will place an order. had not seen this post before i responded earlier. thanks, it's the element that could use improvement.
have you tried the other coconut flavoring s available at wizard labs ? they don't offer capella unfortunately.

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have you tried the other coconut flavoring s available at wizard labs ? they don't offer capella unfortunately.

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I use bullcityvapor.com he has 6ml samples for like 1.15? Maybe 1.35, has Fw, FA, Inawera, Cap, and tfa, I always recommend them great CS
 

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I use bullcityvapor.com he has 6ml samples for like 1.15? Maybe 1.35, has Fw, FA, Inawera, Cap, and tfa, I always recommend them great CS
thanks ... will check them out ... as long as they carry tfa as well, and the pg, vg and nic prices are comparable to wizard labs and are offered in similar amounts, I am fine with it. I am not partial to any vendor

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I use bullcityvapor.com he has 6ml samples for like 1.15? Maybe 1.35, has Fw, FA, Inawera, Cap, and tfa, I always recommend them great CS
just checked the site ... flavorings are organized by category rather than vendor, and are 6 ml rather than 8, which would necessitate a revision in my math, but prices are similar !

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just checked the site ... flavorings are organized by category rather than vendor, and are 6 ml rather than 8, which would necessitate a revision in my math, but prices are similar !

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Go to "Concentrated Flavoring" then "Brands" then they are broken down by manufacturer.
TFA, FW, and Cap are offered in 6,15,30ml. Inawera and FA are only available in 10ml. Better pricing than ecigexpress, and like I said I can't vouch for their customer service more. Drew over there got me started in DIY when he came to the ECF. Ships within hours.
 

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Tbh, I've never had CL, but people seem to love it, gets great reviews. But since I started DIY, I just can't justify paying so much for juice... This recipe looks like it's tasty so I got a couple sample sizes to give it a try. I just didn't have the bourbons in my flavor stock. I'll have them Monday, what's your recommend steep time for this recipe?

i make ready to vape juice. steep time is 24 hours initially. it does get better with age like most any liquid. first, i use a magnetic stirer to engage pg/vg at a 5:3 ratio. then i marry them using a heated ultrasonic cleaner for three 8 min cycles. return to the mag stir for an additional 20-30min and bottle in bulk storage. i now make batches of pg/vg mixing base about 400-500ml at a time. my first large batch 800ml had to be halved for the MS to effectively mix the full depth of liquid. you could tell a 1" spin bar was perhaps to small for that large volume. it was doing a good job mixing the bottom 2/3 of total volume. poured 400ml off in a 500ml beaker and it began to form a dimple on the surface. the remaining 400ml in a 1000ml beaker formed a vortex. until the mix sees the UC you can still tell the two elements are still getting to know each other. after the uc, the marriage has been consumated. they are one.

to make a bottle of juice, i start with the bottle. add flavoring, nic and the premixed pg/vg. cap it and UC for 24 min unheated. i am from the school that believes heat degrades nicotine. and excess heat can change chemical composition. i have no evidence to date nor the time to determine if that belief is true. i know alot of folks use crock pots and UCs for extended lengths to speed steep liquids. if it makes their juice happy for them i am all for it. for me, i have not found it necessary. what we call a UC was originally a laboratory glassware washer. invented by Dr. Kirk Heineke in the 60s. i knew and worked with the man twenty years ago. he figured out what frequency to vibrate water to sterilize lab equipiment. he was to say the least very successful and manufactured and distributed worldwide. long story shortened, the prototype built by hobart worked so well that the job was 99% complete in the first three seconds of operation. of course, they had to lengthen the cycle time to five minutes or nobody would believe it had had time to do a through job. hence 24 minutes is my max usage for speed steeping. the 24 hrs. following is to let all those molecules that are so scattered about decide where and with what they want to live.

made a batch earlier tonight swapping the pg/vg ratio to 30/70 to try a high vg version. i did not get a noticable flavor change.
the added part in the recipe would change the math %. you and amanda both questioned the AP and from tonight tastings of 70/30, 30/70 made from the recipe base, and CL, i still feel AP is a necessary ingredient but could be competing with the almond more than supporting. if almond is to become 3 parts, AP should be 1.5.

i feel this recipe is getting better and more refined thanks to the help and feedback of members who share their experience and knowledge. i have been working on this for over a month now and haven't explored using greater flavor % yet. may be the key to hitting the nail on the head. FP may employ twice the amount of flavor base i propose. for all the vaping, tasting it takes to just get the profile down has been my initial goal. and everything about it can be subjectively modified to suit one's own taste.
 

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i make ready to vape juice. steep time is 24 hours initially. it does get better with age like most any liquid. first, i use a magnetic stirer to engage pg/vg at a 5:3 ratio. then i marry them using a heated ultrasonic cleaner for three 8 min cycles. return to the mag stir for an additional 20-30min and bottle in bulk storage. i now make batches of pg/vg mixing base about 400-500ml at a time. my first large batch 800ml had to be halved for the MS to effectively mix the full depth of liquid. you could tell a 1" spin bar was perhaps to small for that large volume. it was doing a good job mixing the bottom 2/3 of total volume. poured 400ml off in a 500ml beaker and it began to form a dimple on the surface. the remaining 400ml in a 1000ml beaker formed a vortex. until the mix sees the UC you can still tell the two elements are still getting to know each other. after the uc, the marriage has been consumated. they are one.

to make a bottle of juice, i start with the bottle. add flavoring, nic and the premixed pg/vg. cap it and UC for 24 min unheated. i am from the school that believes heat degrades nicotine. and excess heat can change chemical composition. i have no evidence to date nor the time to determine if that belief is true. i know alot of folks use crock pots and UCs for extended lengths to speed steep liquids. if it makes their juice happy for them i am all for it. for me, i have not found it necessary. what we call a UC was originally a laboratory glassware washer. invented by Dr. Kirk Heineke in the 60s. i knew and worked with the man twenty years ago. he figured out what frequency to vibrate water to sterilize lab equipiment. he was to say the least very successful and manufactured and distributed worldwide. long story shortened, the prototype built by hobart worked so well that the job was 99% complete in the first three seconds of operation. of course, they had to lengthen the cycle time to five minutes or nobody would believe it had had time to do a through job. hence 24 minutes is my max usage for speed steeping. the 24 hrs. following is to let all those molecules that are so scattered about decide where and with what they want to live.

made a batch earlier tonight swapping the pg/vg ratio to 30/70 to try a high vg version. i did not get a noticable flavor change.
the added part in the recipe would change the math %. you and amanda both questioned the AP and from tonight tastings of 70/30, 30/70 made from the recipe base, and CL, i still feel AP is a necessary ingredient but could be competing with the almond more than supporting. if almond is to become 3 parts, AP should be 1.5.

i feel this recipe is getting better and more refined thanks to the help and feedback of members who share their experience and knowledge. i have been working on this for over a month now and haven't explored using greater flavor % yet. may be the key to hitting the nail on the head. FP may employ twice the amount of flavor base i propose. for all the vaping, tasting it takes to just get the profile down has been my initial goal. and everything about it can be subjectively modified to suit one's own taste.
hmm, are the ultrasonic cleaner and magnetic stirrer absolutely necessary ? If I decide to engage in diy, I will buy the necessary equipment, but for now, this is a one off dor me.

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hmm, are the ultrasonic cleaner and magnetic stirrer absolutely necessary ? If I decide to engage in diy, I will buy the necessary equipment, but for now, this is a one off dor me.

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No. These are methods of mixing. Give it one heck of a shake! I don't use either methods and my liquid is mixed well. Some introduce heat too, theory being it will mix and "steep" faster. You just want to mix it up very well... If a liquid needs to "steep" to marry the flavors, time and a good shake every now and again work well.
 

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No. These are methods of mixing. Give it one heck of a shake! I don't use either methods and my liquid is mixed well. Some introduce heat too, theory being it will mix and "steep" faster. You just want to mix it up very well... If a liquid needs to "steep" to marry the flavors, time and a good shake every now and again work well.
thank you !

Another question : I noticed that some tfa flavors in bullcity site have warnings that the product cintains acetoin and some other chemicals that are relatedto diacetyl I suspect, but the same capella flavors don't. Do you know if it's because in fact they don't contain said chemicals or just that capella doesn't divulge that information ?

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thank you !

Another question : I noticed that some tfa flavors in bullcity site have warnings that the product cintains acetoin and some other chemicals that are relatedto diacetyl I suspect, but the same capella flavors don't. Do you know if it's because in fact they don't contain said chemicals or just that capella doesn't divulge that information ?

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They don't for example, vanilla custard has a v2 which is a safer version
 

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i ordred some capella flavors over the weekend. simply vanilla, coconut, and toasted almond. shipped today. used ecigexpress for the source. i have been trying greater % of flavoring applied. it takes at least 20% to saddle up to FP. clone is a bourbon vape with CL flavors and can only get better. FW madagascar vanilla is beginning to be vapable after steeping and breathing a few days. i am hoping capella flavors are to my liking. i will keep tweeking to see if it can get better with flavors from different vendors. CL is a very dense, throat hitting, sweet toasted almond vape. i can't really taste bourbon much and the incredible coconut they have shows itself better subohm. i still have a half bottle of FP CL made 4/1/14. i have four kayfuns. three have clone in 10,15, and 20% flavor apps. one is FP CL. i have not vaped hardly anything but clone since april. i couldn't possibly vape CL all day. the flavor concentration is over the top for me. vapor tongue prone. clone at 20% is awfully good, i just don't know if i want that much in my all day juice. hmmm... the first vape tomorrow morning of 10% will tell me where to go next. it's too hard to compare them after tasting double flavor vs. fpcl. i will say 15% got my attention earlier and all three clones are good vapes.
 

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hmm, are the ultrasonic cleaner and magnetic stirrer absolutely necessary ? If I decide to engage in diy, I will buy the necessary equipment, but for now, this is a one off dor me.

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you don't need to drop $300 to make juice. i give it over 50,000 shakes per second for 24 minutes and it's ready the next day. gets better like any juice will in a week and longer. i am still stymied by fresh flavors containing ethanol. they require some air and time to rid. no amount of shaking will help in that situation. TFA flavors have been very kind to mix and don't require breathing. see tonights other post on concentration of flavoring. if you want it closer to FP you would make half as much juice as you intended.
 

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A $10 crockpot works very well. 4 hours at 150 (low with the lid cracked) does the job. No need for any shaking beyond the intitial mixing and the odd shake in between!

I don't want to take over the thread with steeping talk, but imho, applying heat does very much help things mix better/faster than room temperature. But, nothing will beat time, and aging the juice. Technically speaking, we aren't really steeping, we are aging e liquid.
 

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I didn't have enough in my budget this order to get Cap coconut so I couldn't try it. But I did make the original recipe. TASTEY! I get a toasted, almost smoky bourbon fresh mixed and loving it! I can't compare to FP CL because I've never had it, but I immediately made a larger bottle! Great job IMHO!
 
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