Oh God, it's him again! I wish I'd realised that. I certainly wouldn't have taken part in this thread if I had.
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Cat Piss!! :(
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Since dogs are "pack animals" and need to be part of a group/family enviornment, YOU, are the problem. Keeping two animals crated most of the day and confined to a small part of the house and the other two outside, why in the heck do you even have dogs???
I have two dogs and a cat. All three can go where they want and all three cause no problems at all. The cat uses the litter pan and we clean it out daily. All three have been fixed as they should be for better health, better temperment and no fear of making more unwanted animals in this county. Both dogs were trained so they will listen to commands. (it's actually the human that needs the training more than the dog) Neither makes a mess in the house, ever. All three get along well and are part of the family not just caged animals like circus acts.
Do yourself and your animals a favor and give them all to good, loving families.
I have two dogs and a cat. All three can go where they want and all three cause no problems at all. The cat uses the litter pan and we clean it out daily. All three have been fixed as they should be for better health, better temperment and no fear of making more unwanted animals in this county. Both dogs were trained so they will listen to commands. (it's actually the human that needs the training more than the dog) Neither makes a mess in the house, ever. All three get along well and are part of the family not just caged animals like circus acts.
Do yourself and your animals a favor and give them all to good, loving families.
Take care!Oh God, it's him again! I wish I'd realised that. I certainly wouldn't have taken part in this thread if I had.
Bye
Run along and be hatefull on another thread.
Misery Loves Company!!!
Anyways, thanks to you others that chose to be positive and supportive
Sincerely
I am neither hateful, nor miserable, but...
Thank you for your kind wishes.
OK Dog crate issues to one side...
Can I attempt to respond to the question asked. First my qualifications to respond are 20 years as a volunteer worker for Cats Protection ( UK Cat Welfare Charity ) and now only 13 cats at home, 3 dogs ... the list goes on ..
Persian cats do frequently behave in this manner, how do you stop it?
Well providing the Veterinary route has been gone down, with no results for FIV/FeLV - PKD and the other various ailments that can cause litter tray aversion, then one answer is simply to cage the cat in a Dog Cage... yes I said Dog Cage, large enough to hold its bed, litter tray and food bowls.
For a week, keep the cat within the cage, allowing it out only for cuddles, affection etc., but never to free roam.
If the cat continues to soil, put it back in the cage, and repeat the performance.
This has worked for us several times. It basically retrains the cat.
I am aware of the various problems with litter aversion, and am aware that if a cat has a kidney problem and feels pain on ......, it will associate that pain with the tray and as a result soil and pee everywhere, other than a tray. And as 30% approx Persians are born with PKD (Polycistic Kidney Disease) it could have some bearing on why Persians do this.
Here in the UK there has not been enough research done on this as yet.
If this proceedure cannot be done, I would advise re-homing the cat through a Persian Rescue, who will know of the problem, and providing you are truthful with them, will take the cat when they can and do what they can to remedy the problem prior to finding him a new home.
Hope that helps.
Can I attempt to respond to the question asked. First my qualifications to respond are 20 years as a volunteer worker for Cats Protection ( UK Cat Welfare Charity ) and now only 13 cats at home, 3 dogs ... the list goes on ..
Persian cats do frequently behave in this manner, how do you stop it?
Well providing the Veterinary route has been gone down, with no results for FIV/FeLV - PKD and the other various ailments that can cause litter tray aversion, then one answer is simply to cage the cat in a Dog Cage... yes I said Dog Cage, large enough to hold its bed, litter tray and food bowls.
For a week, keep the cat within the cage, allowing it out only for cuddles, affection etc., but never to free roam.
If the cat continues to soil, put it back in the cage, and repeat the performance.
This has worked for us several times. It basically retrains the cat.
I am aware of the various problems with litter aversion, and am aware that if a cat has a kidney problem and feels pain on ......, it will associate that pain with the tray and as a result soil and pee everywhere, other than a tray. And as 30% approx Persians are born with PKD (Polycistic Kidney Disease) it could have some bearing on why Persians do this.
Here in the UK there has not been enough research done on this as yet.
If this proceedure cannot be done, I would advise re-homing the cat through a Persian Rescue, who will know of the problem, and providing you are truthful with them, will take the cat when they can and do what they can to remedy the problem prior to finding him a new home.
Hope that helps.
Isn't this unethical? From what I remember, persons being studied by psychologist whether they are in a control group or the sample being studied are to be notified that they are participating in a study and are to be given the right to opt out.
Maybe I read too much into the APA guidelines. Ah well...
There are all kinds of people in here with agenda's and I knew from the start he want us to give him a certain response. That in it's self ruins any research he is doing (if that is what he is doing). I was a psycho major once too and your not supposed to direct the out comes. This was directed. That is why we have bad drugs on sell with FDA approval.
The "Crate Nazi's" cut and remove their dog's sexual organs! I cannot bring myself to do that to my babies...IT'S CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT. To think caging my animal's is cruel, but subjecting them to unnecessary surgery isn't. Hypocrites!
The internet hides all sorts of people, hence its best not to allow emotions to rule, if a question is asked and you know a possible answer, give facts, no more, no less, so no insight into who YOU are is ever given.
That way no one gets upset....lol
Hence I couldnt care less if this person is doing a psychological response post or not... he asked a question, I answered it, without any judgment given.
That way no one gets upset....lol
Hence I couldnt care less if this person is doing a psychological response post or not... he asked a question, I answered it, without any judgment given.
FYI - I had a cat years ago and he peed on my then boyfriends truck seat. (He knew more than I did! LOL)
Anyway I found some really good stuff that I use around the house to this day - it's called XO Odor Neutralizer and I can sometimes find it at ACE Hardware stores otherwise I get it online. Excellent stuff.
Anyway I found some really good stuff that I use around the house to this day - it's called XO Odor Neutralizer and I can sometimes find it at ACE Hardware stores otherwise I get it online. Excellent stuff.
Great answer Christena, I've used this method to litterbox train kittens and retrain adults in the past. I too have a multitude of experiences with both dogs and cats. 30+ years experience from Showing and breeding to emergency vet tech, grooming, training, behavior modification and I currently run my own rescue (legitimate rescue listed on petfinder).
As far as comments about crating dogs...Dogs are CANINES and as such would like to be treated as such, NOT treated like humans. We wouldn't want to be treated like dogs, we're NOT dogs. In order to treat a dog like a dog one needs to KNOW and UNDERSTAND canine behavior (same goes for cats). Dogs are pack animals as was stated in an earlier post...they are also DEN animals. Every dog DESERVES his own crate - aka - DEN. It gives them a sense of security. The crate can be abused by humans that don't know HOW to use it properly however, I don't believe this to be the case (he trains dogs...dogs don't train very well when they're not happy). Just an FYI on crates...I always had a crate or 2 in the living room, they were spares...they were open all the time...the dogs that had run of the house at any given time were often found IN the crates. Sometimes 2 squished in one crate...their choice. And before anyone condemns me for not letting them ALL run free ALL the time, when I was showing I had stud dogs that didn't get along with other dogs in the house and if a ..... were in heat, HAD to keep them separate. Enough on crates. Anyone wanting to discuss, learn or debate is free to pm me.
One issue that was barely addressed was how to get rid of the odor. Cat urine is THE most difficult odor to eliminate. Much harder than even skunk. Trust me when I tell you, I've used just about everything on the market and I can't count how many homemade recipes of almost anything. I FINALLY found ONE product that actually works (not as well if you've used certain other cleaning products on that spot prior, but still works). I saved a 1yr old couch that had cat pee on it so bad that it was being thrown away ($6000.00). It wasn't mine...but is now
all because of this stuff. Took me 10 hrs to clean it but it's like new and the 15+ cats in the house don't pee on it (they would if they smelled pee). It's called SCOE10X and their site is the same with the usual ending. I can't post links. It stands for Super Concentrated Odor Eliminator Ten Times Concentrate. I can't stress how much it needs to be used according to direction. The site is very informative. Any questions, pm me or call them. I've talked to the president of the company on more than one occassion. They're as awesome as their product. It's not available anywhere but on their site.
There is nothing wrong with crate training your dog. I crate trained both of them. Keeping a dog in a crate 90% of the time and only letting them in one small square area when you let them out is the problem IMO.
I work with the local SPCA. I won't describe what I have seen because it is just too sickening. 15 million dogs are killed every year by local governments. Millions more die from abuse and abandonment. Yet we continue to breed and sell dogs so more can be slaughtered and abused each year. There is something wrong with this level of ignorance. There is not an animal problem in this country, there is a people problem.
I work with the local SPCA. I won't describe what I have seen because it is just too sickening. 15 million dogs are killed every year by local governments. Millions more die from abuse and abandonment. Yet we continue to breed and sell dogs so more can be slaughtered and abused each year. There is something wrong with this level of ignorance. There is not an animal problem in this country, there is a people problem.
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