Cat Piss!! :(

[Cancer]

5 year old domestic short hair male cat. I bought a new home and he suddenly decided to rub his paws in the tub(liked the noise lol). Within a week he was POOPING IN MY SHOWER. I took him to the vet and every time the door was left open he found out and "dropped a deuce" So i applied the logic of denying his roaming for longer lengths of time after each incident. First i moved the poop from the tub to the litterbox and showed him. I then crated him for that day(allowing 2 1hour periods of access to food ,water and litter). After the 5th time, he spent 5 full days in a crate with 2 (1hour) food,water litter breaks...the behavior stopped.

Now, i hate crating my 2 puppies...i did not get them to KEEP THEM CAPTIVE. Yet my new home has a 30x15 covered and screened porch with ceiling fans ,carpet and tons of toys and they go nuts when left for more than an hour. They both have passed their training classes and obey commands perfectly, yet they LOVE THEIR CRATES. I fought with my GF about the crate idea, yet she showed me 20 articles from animal behavior specialists. All the articles have more or less said"Dogs get scared in big areas and get nervous and destructive when left alone". Well while i wish they loved to run in the backyard and not bark all day or not bark all day on the huge porch i envisioned as a "Puppy playground". Yet they love the crates and who am i to argue with animal behavior specialists

 

[Flitzanu]

missed the obvious other answer...get rid of the girlfriend??

 

[STILLSMOK9]

5 year old domestic short hair male cat. I bought a new home and he suddenly decided to rub his paws in the tub(liked the noise lol). Within a week he was POOPING IN MY SHOWER. I took him to the vet and every time the door was left open he found out and "dropped a deuce" So i applied the logic of denying his roaming for longer lengths of time after each incident. First i moved the poop from the tub to the litterbox and showed him. I then crated him for that day(allowing 2 1hour periods of access to food ,water and litter). After the 5th time, he spent 5 full days in a crate with 2 (1hour) food,water litter breaks...the behavior stopped.

Now, i hate crating my 2 puppies...i did not get them to KEEP THEM CAPTIVE. Yet my new home has a 30x15 covered and screened porch with ceiling fans ,carpet and tons of toys and they go nuts when left for more than an hour. They both have passed their training classes and obey commands perfectly, yet they LOVE THEIR CRATES. I fought with my GF about the crate idea, yet she showed me 20 articles from animal behavior specialists. All the articles have more or less said"Dogs get scared in big areas and get nervous and destructive when left alone". Well while i wish they loved to run in the backyard and not bark all day or not bark all day on the huge porch i envisioned as a "Puppy playground". Yet they love the crates and who am i to argue with animal behavior specialists

Finally somebody has their eyes OPEN!!!

 

[nitewriter]

...Back to the cat problem. I agree with frya.

My cats are perfectly content using their litter box. They've never gone anywhere else,...except once when one of them had a bladder infection. Dr said that they will pee in other areas to notify you there is a problem.

I know you said the cat was fine, but it might be good to double-check.

The crate issue, to me, depends on how many hours a day the dogs are crated, not the fact that you crate them. Cancer and others are correct, many people "crate-train" their dogs with absolutely no harm. But lack of socializing and excersize from all-day crating is something else.

Keep the cat and the girlfriend. Just be nice to both.

 

[Terraphon]

I'm sorry but I have to step in, here.

Everyone around you does it, so that makes it ok? SS officers in Nazi Germany used the same excuse, and look what happened there.

Crating a dog =/= Genocide and your reference to same is offensive, at the very least.

Who the hell keeps their personal pets IN CRATES? It is cruel and inhumane. I don't care how you choose to (mis)characterize it. Locking up a poor animal in such a way is just plain wrong. Why don't you just get rid of the animals if you don't like them being able to move around your house?

Here's a nice post from the Humane Society of the United States.

Specifically, it addresses how to properly crate train a dog.

Crate Training | The Humane Society of the United States

So...I guess the HSUS is into being cruel to dogs?

I know, I know...you're going to try to counter this with the "PETA" article...I'll pre-counter by saying this:

PETA refers to fish as "sea kittens".

'Nuff said.

If you are going to argue that it is humane and decent to keep them locked up in such a way, let's do a little experiment. Why don't YOU live in a crate, just for a week. It's ok, there's nothing wrong with it. You'll be fine.

Please see the link, above.

After that, please explain how crate training a dog is inhumane.

Thank you.

If, after a week, you can honestly say that the experience was not harmful to you in any way, and that you didn't suffer psychologically from being locked up, then I'll agree with your choice. Remember, the key here is "if you can HONESTLY say..."

Again, see above.

What you are doing is bordering on animal abuse, no matter how you slice it. You opened the door by admitting to such methods to keep your precious home clear of any signs of life.

Where did he say that he was keeping his home free of signs of life?

I'm sorry but it looked like he was saying that he crates 2 of his dogs and his other two are primarily outside dogs in a large yard.

Do you know how much time he spends outside? Could be a lot.

Do you know how much time, each day, his crated dogs are free to roam their designated areas? Could be a lot.

Please think about all of the factors before you jump so high.

The irony is, you claim to be a dog trainer. Yet, you can't seem to train those dogs well enough to pee outside? Some trainer you are!

uhm...It's a CAT that's ...... in the house...A cat.

For your information, there are millions of households with perfectly house-trained dogs who don't do their business in the house, and 99.9% of them roam the house freely 24/7!

Meow?

The idea of keeping poor sweet lovable dogs LOCKED UP pisses me off like you wouldn't believe! If I were to meet you, I'd probably knock your teeth out. (That is not a threat, by the way. I have no intention of meeting you, ever.)

This comment is insanely inappropriate and no matter how you attempt to cover it up, it's a threat.

I can only hope that a moderator sees this and takes appropriate action for that comment.

 

[Cancer]

My dogs are walked 1/2 mile in the morning(e-cig in hand) and 1 mile in the evening. Its the just till they calm down a bit, it impossible to give them the run of the house. The crates are our"End tables" in the bedroom, so the kids are never far from Mom and Dad They visit friends regularly and are never agressive with neighbors,us or other dogs....even when provoked. Bottomline...they Bark like "Hell's Army" if left alone anywhere for more than an hour..unless in their cage. Hope that helps the "Crate Nazi's" understand most of their furry friend's "CAPTOR'S" rationale

 

[Terraphon]

My dogs are walked 1/2 mile in the morning(e-cig in hand) and 1 mile in the evening. Its the just till they calm down a bit, it impossible to give them the run of the house. The crates are our"End tables" in the bedroom, so the kids are never far from Mom and Dad They visit friends regularly and are never agressive with neighbors,us or other dogs....even when provoked. Bottomline...they Bark like "Hell's Army" if left alone anywhere for more than an hour..unless in their cage. Hope that helps the "Crate Nazi's" understand most of their furry friend's "CAPTOR'S" rationale

hahaha...yeah...I think this is an issue of those attacking not understanding what he means when he talks about keeping the dogs in crates.

They're not in the crate all the time.

I used to own 3 Jack Russels and they were all crate trained. When my wife and I would go to work they would all get in their crates, where they had food, water, blankets, chewies, etc...When we got home, they would be taken out for walks and play. If we needed to go out or when it was bed time, they would be given the command "bed" and they would all march into their crates, turn around and lay down.

No fuss, no problems, no trauma.

(we also had individual names for the crates, related to each dog...There was "hole" "locker" and "fridge"...Give the appropriate command and the matching dog would enter their crate and lay down immediately. This was done if a dog had to be medicated, taken to the vet or separated from the others for some reason. Funny thing, though...Our vet thought that was a brilliant idea...)

 

[Cancer]

is that some of the animal owner's they ANTAGONIZE, actually love animal's even more then they do. We just aren't as militant. Personally, i would not punch that "Peta Crate Nazi" in the face. I would subdue him and give him quiet time and a rawhide chew in his very own CRATE

 

[Terraphon]

lol

That would be AWESOME.

 

[Ultimist]

Crate Training | The Humane Society of the United States

Funny, I don't recall the original poster stating that he crates his dogs according to Humane Society recommendations.

In fact, here is what he said:

I crate the inside dogs because I do not want my home to be damaged(carpet, furniture etc).

According to the Humane Society, crate TRAINING is used to teach an animal not to go to the bathroom in the house or get into other mischief. After the training, you can allow the animal to roam in the selected area, assured that he has been trained out of the bad behavior.

But going by what the OP said, he just crates them whenever he is gone. He's not using it as a training method, but a prison for dogs every time he leaves. This is NOT the intended use of crating.

Don't throw the HSUS in my face unless you know he's following those specific guidelines. From the sounds of it, he's not.

 

[Terraphon]

But going by what the OP said, he just crates them whenever he is gone. He's not using it as a training method, but a prison for dogs every time he leaves. This is NOT the intended use of crating.

Don't throw the HSUS in my face unless you know he's following those specific guidelines. From the sounds of it, he's not.

I'm sorry, bud, but you're making a very broad assumption, here. You didn't bother to clarify his meaning or intent before talking about knocking his teeth out.

You read, you assumed, you jumped.

Fact is, he still hasn't specified when, where, how or for how long his dogs are crated...Only that he crates them to avoid damage to his home.

And for that, you would maim him.

Sorry for being so very blunt but that's inappropriate.

 

[HK45]

My girlfriend moved in appx. 1 year ago. She brought with her a 5 year old Persian Cat. I have four dogs that 2 stay in crates, while the other two stay outside in a fenced in backyard.

I crate the inside dogs because I do not want my home to be damaged(carpet, furniture etc). They stay in the kitchen when not being crated and are trained not to come into the other living areas.

I agreed to allow her cat to have free roam of the rest of the home, which It is the first pet to ever have this courtesy.

The cat has pee'd or pooped at least ten times in the home(NOT in littter box)

It is not a biological issue, it is a behavioral issue that keeps getting worse.


My question to you fellow vapes and vapettes is THIS- Get rid of the cat or allow him to continuously soil the rugs??

Please be honest and consider the circumstances/rules that were set to my dogs before the cat arrived.

Thanks in advance!!

I don't have a clue as to why everyone on this forum hasn't realized what you and your little "psych major" girlfriend are doing? Even Vee knew that the pot you stirred about giving the tobacco-free gf a ecig was an experiment. Just like this.

Experimenting with these people as your subjects is exactly what you are doing or you wouldn't be asking such stupid ... questions and then asking others to respond truthfully and honestly.

You should take your little school projects somewhere else or have you found the perfect ratio of gullible people on this site.

On the other hand, I know what you are, so why should I care, right? I just want everyone to know that their responses are being documented and someone is probably having a good laugh at your expense!

 

[Terraphon]

I don't have a clue as to why everyone on this forum hasn't realized what you and your little "psych major" girlfriend are doing? Even Vee knew that the pot you stirred about giving the tobacco-free gf a ecig was an experiment. Just like this.

Experimenting with these people as your subjects is exactly what you are doing or you wouldn't be asking such stupid ... questions and then asking others to respond truthfully and honestly.

You should take your little school projects somewhere else or have you found the perfect ratio of gullible people on this site.

On the other hand, I know what you are, so why should I care, right? I just want everyone to know that their responses are being documented and someone is probably having a good laugh at your expense!

Is this true?

 

[Ultimist]

I'm sorry, bud, but you're making a very broad assumption, here. You didn't bother to clarify his meaning or intent before talking about knocking his teeth out.

You read, you assumed, you jumped.

Fair enough. I suppose I did make an assumption. I just get so riled up when I think about animal abuse. I guess I should have asked him to clarify. The fact that I am in the process of adopting a dog who was severely abused by her previous owner probably didn't help my state of mind, either.

My apologies to the OP and anyone else who has read or taken part in this thread. I'm out of this discussion, as I clearly need some sleep...

 

[HK45]

My girlfriend moved in appx. 1 year ago. She brought with her a 5 year old Persian Cat. I have four dogs that 2 stay in crates, while the other two stay outside in a fenced in backyard.

I crate the inside dogs because I do not want my home to be damaged(carpet, furniture etc). They stay in the kitchen when not being crated and are trained not to come into the other living areas.

I agreed to allow her cat to have free roam of the rest of the home, which It is the first pet to ever have this courtesy.

The cat has pee'd or pooped at least ten times in the home(NOT in littter box)

It is not a biological issue, it is a behavioral issue that keeps getting worse.


My question to you fellow vapes and vapettes is THIS- Get rid of the cat or allow him to continuously soil the rugs??

Please be honest and consider the circumstances/rules that were set to my dogs before the cat arrived.

Thanks in advance!!

I don't have a clue as to why everyone on this forum hasn't realized what you and your little "psych major" girlfriend are doing? Even Vee knew that the pot you stirred about giving the tobacco-free gf a ecig was an experiment. Just like this.

Experimenting with these people as your subjects is exactly what you are doing or you wouldn't be asking such stupid ... questions and then asking others to respond truthfully and honestly and to remember prerequisites should be a big tip-off!

You should take your little school projects somewhere else or have you found the perfect ratio of gullible people on this site?

On the other hand, I know what you are, so why should I care, right? I just want everyone to know that their responses are being documented and someone is probably having a good laugh at their expense!

 

[nitewriter]

Is this true?

...... yep.

 

[Terraphon]

...... yep.

Very well...I'm officially done with this guy.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[HK45]

Is this true?

First of all I apologize for the double posting. I was trying to correct some typos and viola!

Terraphon,

Of course, I can't prove that this is true but by the nature of his threads and the way he responds occassionally to keep things on track, it is obvious to me.

In one of his first posts he said that his girlfriend was a psych major. It is my strong opinion that it is true. Look at his threads and the way he states the questions, reminding everyone to keep certain things in mind, and it is obvious to me.

They/He are conducting some kind of social/behavioral study for school and everyone is buying in.

Just my opinion. Look for yourself. The guy is a jerk.

 

[Terraphon]

Yeah...It's beddy-bye time for the T-man but I'll look into this tomorrow (today) after work.

Thanks, again, for the heads up.

 

[gashin]

Psych majors are jerks Maybe because they can't get jobs when they graduate.

First of all I apologize for the double posting. I was trying to correct some typos and viola!

Terraphon,

Of course, I can't prove that this is true but by the nature of his threads and the way he responds occassionally to keep things on track, it is obvious to me.

In one of his first posts he said that his girlfriend was a psych major. It is my strong opinion that it is true. Look at his threads and the way he states the questions, reminding everyone to keep certain things in mind, and it is obvious to me.

They/He are conducting some kind of social/behavioral study for school and everyone is buying in.

Just my opinion. Look for yourself. The guy is a jerk.