Personally, for .4 ohm duals, my preferred set up is 6/5 wrap 3mm 26's. 24g at .4 takes too long to heat.
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Personally, for .4 ohm duals, my preferred set up is 6/5 wrap 3mm 26's. 24g at .4 takes too long to heat.
Note to self...Must check all 3 of the afc rings on the CAM edition Manta when I get back to the city Monday night.
Sounds good Train, like you and Distorto, I'm just looking for something simple, but I need a little fatter wire to get a couple more wraps.
I often wondered why I read so many people talking about 24 ga, never made any sense to me, but what do I know....
When they come out I will. Harry has hinted that there will be black Stumpys and gold Stumpys available a few weeks after the next run.
@inspects 24g is my wire of choice I wouldn't vape above .3 with it personally due to heat up/cool down. I used I think 7 wraps 3mm, for .3 and, good luck prying the Vectors sporting that build away from my slothy hands cause they're always clutched tight mah friend 
In Mantas I like both 26 and 28...28 is great for the ramp up, but lacks the punch of lower ohm builds I enjoy so much.
I have just about standardized to running the same atty and build on every mod...but sometimes I still hit my Mantas, when I'm not feeling so freakish, or on the off-chance I vape a flavor. Been hitting some ACB lately...too lazy to sell the last of my flavors off. It is, indeed, good stuff in a Manta @ .4 with 26g
ETA my take on it is this...the downside of my 24g builds is the cool down, which results in more juice caramelization. However with unflavored that means I have a week or so of heavy use before needing to rewick on this build. In terms of heat up yes it may take a bit but in terms of vapor production it is throwing mad vapor from the press of the button. So for my (to borrow Spydro's term) LDLHs, 24g just rocks and the ramp up is no prob - even for "short blasts," it realy kicks the llama's dairy.
I wouldn't vape above .3 with it personally due to heat up/cool down. I used I think 7 wraps 3mm, for .3 and, good luck prying the Vectors sporting that build away from my slothy hands cause they're always clutched tight mah friend In Mantas I like both 26 and 28...28 is great for the ramp up, but lacks the punch of lower ohm builds I enjoy so much.
I have just about standardized to running the same atty and build on every mod...but sometimes I still hit my Mantas, when I'm not feeling so freakish, or on the off-chance I vape a flavor. Been hitting some ACB lately...too lazy to sell the last of my flavors off. It is, indeed, good stuff in a Manta @ .4 with 26g
ETA my take on it is this...the downside of my 24g builds is the cool down, which results in more juice caramelization. However with unflavored that means I have a week or so of heavy use before needing to rewick on this build. In terms of heat up yes it may take a bit but in terms of vapor production it is throwing mad vapor from the press of the button. So for my (to borrow Spydro's term) LDLHs, 24g just rocks and the ramp up is no prob - even for "short blasts," it realy kicks the llama's dairy.
For a long time, my standard build has been dual coils, 2mm diameter, 7 wraps, 26g kanthal. It comes out to about .4 ohms, give or take, depending on leg length. Whenever I get a new atty, this is the build I always start out with, and generally stick with. I wick with either KGD or Cotton Bacon; which ever I happen to grab first.
I've tried a lot of different builds, 28g, twisted 28, 29, 3x30, tiger wire, 26g and 24g. I keep coming back to dual 26g, 5 wrap, 2.5mm. Seems to work the best for me and keeps ramp up and down time to a minimum. I tried 3mm, and even that doesn't work for me as well as 2.5mm. So, I find myself building everything pretty much the same. All those heavier metal builds just take too long to fire and seems like too cool a build for me.
What we end up talking about, in a 'round about way, with coil builds and wire size is Heat Flux. Steam-Engine has a HF scale, as do some other calculators. Heat Flux is why vapes will be either hotter or cooler, depending on wire gauge, even when coil resistance is the same. Heat Flux is an interesting aspect to be looked at in coil building, especially when using mechanical mods.
3/32 inner diameter, 7 wraps with 26ga. 0.4 ohms. Super quick ramp up and cool down, warm vape, tons of vapor
With 24ga for 0.4 ohms, I find that
1) it takes waaaay too long to heat up and cool down. Works fine if you like taking loooooong deep lung inhales but not my preference.
2) you start to notice the drop in performance (heat and vapor production) really quickly as the battery drains. Just too much wire mass there
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With 24ga for 0.4 ohms, I find that
1) it takes waaaay too long to heat up and cool down. Works fine if you like taking loooooong deep lung inhales but not my preference.
2) you start to notice the drop in performance (heat and vapor production) really quickly as the battery drains. Just too much wire mass there
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all I can say is all that you know about wire size and what you are used too with coiling is very different with the dna200. A big part of the what you have learned in regards to mechs will come into play but the sag is gone. The dna40 and the 200 are vastly different in how they react to a coil. The Dna200 with kanthal and a high current/high voltage lipo reacts to a coil very much like the cam-m. Most single battery mechs, and DNA40 regulated mods react very similar to each other with their slow build up and soft/smooth delivery. The dna200 nor the cam-m have this issue with a dna40 I discovered the one trick pony build which is similar to Rule62's build and identical to Kiwi's build with #26 kanthal(a1) which works well on those devices. With the cam-m and the dna200 I have found that essentially #24 is the new #26. Similar build +/- 1 wrap in #24 works much better. IMO it comes down to "balls" the 200 and the cam-m have them where the 40/single 18650 does not. It sounds like most of what you guys are talking about comes down to voltage sag, I loathe sag.
The sx350j is a different animal altogether; with a single 18650 battery anyhow. I have yet to get a vape that tasted right yet with the sx. Same atty same coil from the 200 on the sx and all I'm getting is burnt death. To me it seem the sx amplifies the bad side of the #24 with the extended cool down and the slow build up. I have tried all of the power curves and it goes from Reo soft to hyper burnt death with nothing in between.
The sx350j is a different animal altogether; with a single 18650 battery anyhow. I have yet to get a vape that tasted right yet with the sx. Same atty same coil from the 200 on the sx and all I'm getting is burnt death. To me it seem the sx amplifies the bad side of the #24 with the extended cool down and the slow build up. I have tried all of the power curves and it goes from Reo soft to hyper burnt death with nothing in between.
what is your favorite build for the dna40??? i think we have similar vape styles and i have a few dna40 mods but i cant get the vape i like. plus im hunting for a sunbox. my current build on the dna40 is 28ga micro coils at .6 ohms. what do you run?
That is what I been using too...I want to lower the ohms a tad (.3-.4-ish). The 28 ga without using twisted wire is just to thin. I'd rather have dual coils without screwing around twisting wire, or making quad coils, 26 ga should do the trick.
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