Caught a patient smoking

[navigator2011]

Its required by insurance companies the company uses due to safety issue and not just private insurance companies but worker's compensation insurance companies have to pay. An example of the safety issue: working in any construction area whether you actually operate or work on heavy equipment... but that's only one small example. If you have a CDL (commercial drivers license) drug testing is also required. Now, many companies are going to nicotine blood testing using insurance as the reason whether it actually is the reason or not. As usual, what started as a good thing protecting workers as well as others like drivers on the same road with a trucker driving a big rig or any other commercial vehicle, is being misused and abused for other agendas. If you think about it, more and more companies as well as Obamacare are penalizing for nicotine use on insurance premiums. How do they know if you're using it? Blood/urine testing. And it doesn't matter when you got that nicotine in your blood... on or off the job. So with these new insurance requirements pretty much everyone is being controlled off the job.

@Anjaffm.... Portugal might be a good choice for a while... better hurry though as Socialism/Nanny State/Big Brotherism is spreading across the globe fast.

Well, you have spelled out at least one reason for at least some of the behavior we all see. But I stand by my post that you quoted. Are we really going to let corporate greed push us ALL the way to a Gatica-type system? Really?

Oh, and you do realize that taking up vaping full time is tantamount to rebelling against the system, right? In essence, we are throwing the tobacco into the bay. Just imagine what would happen if all smokers dumped their cigarettes and took up openly vaping at the same time.

 

[navigator2011]

Don't worry, I think I just insulted a wide array of people...

--Boring dullards
--Kind-hearted criminals
--Stupid people
--Little people

Hey, what about fathers of athletic blondes? Oh no, I've been discriminated against--I better call the ACLU right away!!! OK, just kidding.

 

[DC2]

Well, you have spelled out at least one reason for at least some of the behavior we all see. But I stand by my post that you quoted. Are we really going to let corporate greed push us ALL the way to a Gatica-type system? Really?

Oh, and you do realize that taking up vaping full time is tantamount to rebelling against the system, right? In essence, we are throwing the tobacco into the bay. Just imagine what would happen if all smokers dumped their cigarettes and took up openly vaping at the same time.

I like the way you think, so please post MOAR.

And by the way, it isn't just corporate greed, it is political greed combined with corporate greed.
The problem, I think, is that people think this is something new.

It's not.

It's been this way since the dawn of mankind.

I'm sure back in the caveman days Grog (the leader of his tribe) received offerings of freshly caught fish from Jorp.
And Jorp may well have gotten a nice cozy spot in the cave for his efforts/tribute/offering.

The problem is, and always has been, that those that want power seek power.
As a species, it might be better for us all if we deny those who seek power from ever having it.

Good luck with that though.
:sigh:

 

[navigator2011]

I like the way you think, so please post MOAR.

And by the way, it isn't just corporate greed, it is political greed combined with corporate greed.
The problem, I think, is that people think this is something new.

It's not.

It's been this way since the dawn of mankind.

I'm sure back in the caveman days Grog (the leader of his tribe) received offerings of freshly caught fish from Jorp.
And Jorp may well have gotten a nice cozy spot in the cave for his efforts/tribute/offering.

The problem is, and always has been, that those that want power seek power.
As a species, it might be better for us all if we deny those who seek power from ever having it.

Good luck with that though.
:sigh:

Each one of us utilizes power every day . . . in the form of money. We support what we spend our money on. This is why big tobacco put the effort into increasing the addictive nature of cigarettes and covered up the fact for decades. If Americans would just be more careful where they put their money, then maybe more companies would think twice about customer service, and the like.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Each one of us utilizes power every day . . . in the form of money. We support what we spend our money on. This is why big tobacco put the effort into increasing the addictive nature of cigarettes and covered up the fact for decades. If Americans would just be more careful where they put their money, then maybe more companies would think twice about customer service, and the like.

Well, you are too good a poster to be running about without an Avatar. So here, try this one on for size if you like it!

 

[HeadInClouds]

You could always do this on the sly-kinda like a secret santa-leave the Njoy laying on his table/bedside. Just wear gloves so the smoking police can't dust it for your prints

Or how about "discovering" one in the room: "Oh, Mr. Jones, is that electronic cigarette yours? They have nicotine and aren't allowed, so you better tuck that away."

 

[jpargana]

It's the vilifying by non-smokers that irritates me the most. Obviously smoking is awful for the health of the smoker and anyone nearby indoors, and certainly society as whole has moved beyond cigarette smoking, and so now smoking is no longer look at as being 'cool.' Fine, I get that, and I do my very best to keep my smoking from being offensive to non-smokers. Many times, I have been perfectly happy to walk all the way off a property to smoke, when I had to. But when these steps still aren't good enough, that's when I have a problem. For nearly 30 years I have lived with the negative stigma of being a smoker, the hostility of non-smokers around me, and I have tried numerous times to get free of the addiction to no avail. Now, here comes a new technology that actually offers me and many others some hope to be at least a bit more healthy, quite a bit less offfensive, and potentially drop my nicotine dependence all the way, and before I even complete my attempt to switch over to vaping entirely, society begins demonizing vapers and threatening bans (while keeping stinkies widely available). Words cannot truly express how frustrating this is.

^^^^^^^^^^

 

[jpargana]

I wouldn't hire a blonde...

Well, not for much longer than say, an hour or two.


Okay, that was a bad, tasteless joke. I would wager many of the readers laughed, however.

Well, I certainly did...!

 

[jpargana]

I had to resort to simply "liking" your post, as I can not publicly state that it made me laugh.

But since I love brunettes most, followed by redheads....
Yeah, me too also neither.


But really, I just care about personality, moral integrity, intelligence, and long legs.


EDIT: This is one of those times where I forgot to act properly for human consumption.
EDIT: Please ignore this post.

I guess it's too late for that...

 

[navigator2011]

Well, you are too good a poster to be running about without an Avatar. So here, try this one on for size if you like it!

Hey, thanks for the avatar--it's pretty cool. I had tried before to upload one, but it just wasn't taking. But I like this one better, anyways.

Thanks again.

 

[Rickajho]

Oh, crap... oh, crap... 8-o

Suddenly, I have a longing to meet the United States... or maybe our Aussie friends...
(It's OK, João... you can survive this...)

Don't you be pickin' on my Anja. The Blonde Patrol gonna git you!

(A fellow blonde comrade in arms.)

 

[T0rtitude]

The hospital closest to me is completely intolerant of smoking and anything that resembles smoking. One time while visiting a patient I was vaping outdoors near the road and hospital security chased me off their property. I feel sorry for their patients, especially the psych patients. I doubt they even bother to give them any sort of NRT during their stay.

 

[cassandraschild]

No nrt's at all??? Thats just stupid. Im not even a nurse or a doctor and i know that nicotine reacts with psych meds. How do they know whats going to happen when the patient goes home and lights up a cigarette?

Its been proven that atypical antipyschoitic's effects are reduced by nicotine and that smokers tyically need higher doses of them than non smokers. And i know its not just schizophrenics who take that class of medication. Its commonly prescribed now a days to people with major depression and bipolar also.

 

[holy_handgrenade]

Detramental: If our hospital would let them vape... I know that would help so many of them. I know it would have helped me a lot when I was previously hospitalized. But knowing how things work in my hospital... it's likely a pipedream.

I know it depends on the hospital and everything, but I know a lot of them allow vaping by patients. I have 2 sisters and 2 friends that work in the local hospital system, 2 are smokers, one's a non smoker, and one is one of my first converts to vaping. I know that this year in order to keep health coverage offered they wanted a nicotine swab - unfortunately kinda unfair against vapers or smokers who've already quit. But even our hospitals are no-smoking with a zero tolerance policy, nowhere on campus. Apparently, the vaper is allowed to vape but she cant walk down the halls vaping; has to wait for break time just like everyone else.

 

[cassandraschild]

Handgrenade: i always liked az... now its even more tempting

 

[ericbnc]

It's been a while since my clinical rotation through a psychiatric ward, but the patients there were allowed to use a nicotine inhaler device provided to them since the hand to mouth ritual allowed them to relax better than a patch could.

 

[cassandraschild]

Hand to mouth and just as importantly the deep breathing that stimulates relaxation.

 

[tomvonc]

Gawd. I remember being in hospital for 4 days with gallstones and pancreatitis. I had a saline drip, a morphine thingie, and something else going into me. I still managed to stagger downstairs wheeling this stuff around to go outside for a smoke!!!! If I'm ever in again, at least I can sit on the toilet and vape ;-)

 

[cassandraschild]

Wow... I've noticed a lot of people on this thread who seem to work in medicine also... I wonder if there are a lot of us from medicine jumping on the vaping bandwagon now... I vape outside all the way down at the road where the smokers in my hospital go to smoke. I do it because im paranoid of being caught vaping in the building and because im hoping to convert more people through example.

 

[HybridTea]

Yep...I can remember humping my I.V. stand down the hall and over the doorsills to get out to the helipad where I was allowed to smoke. I can remember being required to use a wheelchair so having to wait for a sympathetic (translation: smoker) nurse to take me outside so I could smoke. It's obviously been many years since I was in the hospital!