Change {dot} org petition for congress to reject the deeming regs
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"Error signing your petition. Your user account is no longer active, this could be because you have closed your account. Please contact our help desk to reactivate your account."
Help desk is experiencing problems... What do I do?
Help desk is experiencing problems... What do I do?
I would give it 2 Hours and then Try it Again.
I don't have a different email address--and I really don't want to create one just sign a petition... I'll try again later. It's odd, because I did sign their petitions in the past without a problem. Maybe I unsubscribed at some point in time?
I don't think the FDA will just, out of the goodness of their heart, decide to not classify vapor products as tobacco products. Someone, either congress or a judge will have to tell them that they cannot. That's what this is about, if you're not really concerned with the issues, it's easy to accept that e-cigarettes should fall under the TCA, after all, they're e-CIGARETTES right? It's only when you actually start to look at things, and think about them, and think about the consequences of deeming them a tobacco product, that you see that No, they aren't.
On another note, I've gotten a little pushback from some people, not a lot, but a little and from at least one unexpected place. I'm still not letting go of this idea, I'm just trying to understand why it is.
One thing I've heard is, these petitions never end up doing anything. Ok, I agree, in the past they didn't even when they got a good number of signatures. Is that a reason not to try again? I think some of it is timing, right now is a good time I think. The FDA is poised to release their final rules, Congress will be deciding whether or not to approve them, and we have a clear thing to ask for, Do Not Approve the deeming of vapor products as tobacco products, that I think was lacking previously.
IDK, I don't see how it could hurt to try, as long as people keep up with their other activism too. I mean even in the threads about supporting the moving of the grandfather dates, it's repeated that we should support that, but still fight against the deeming regs, but no one has given us any direction of HOW to fight against the deeming regs.
On another note, I've gotten a little pushback from some people, not a lot, but a little and from at least one unexpected place. I'm still not letting go of this idea, I'm just trying to understand why it is.
One thing I've heard is, these petitions never end up doing anything. Ok, I agree, in the past they didn't even when they got a good number of signatures. Is that a reason not to try again? I think some of it is timing, right now is a good time I think. The FDA is poised to release their final rules, Congress will be deciding whether or not to approve them, and we have a clear thing to ask for, Do Not Approve the deeming of vapor products as tobacco products, that I think was lacking previously.
IDK, I don't see how it could hurt to try, as long as people keep up with their other activism too. I mean even in the threads about supporting the moving of the grandfather dates, it's repeated that we should support that, but still fight against the deeming regs, but no one has given us any direction of HOW to fight against the deeming regs.
If the only thing it does is get shared within peoples' social networks, the text of it is so lucid and well-referenced that it *will* open some people's eyes to the truth.
I Wouldn't Worry about Detractor's.
I don't care what Topic is raised on an Internet Forum. You will Always get Someone that will say... "This is a Waste of Time" or "This Won't Work".
I would be Hard Pressed to say that Getting people Aware and Thinking about something like the FDA Deeming is ever a Bad Thing. And I know that there is a Large Percentage of Vapers who have No Clue what is coming down the line.
So even if this Petition does not succeed in its Intended Goal, It will get People thinking about the FDA and Deeming.
And that is a Very Good Thing.
Yeah, that one post I'm not too worried about. I was hoping for support from some other sources with a lot of reach, and so far I've only heard back from one, and that was a No.
It's ok, we've got momentum, vapers want to be doing something. We just have to keep it going. We've already got more signatures than the last change petition I could find about e-cigs, and I didn't even know about that one.
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It can Take Time.
If I contact say a Retailer, it might take 3 or 4 Days before my request to even gets to Someone who is in a Position to Make a Decision. Or it way take a Consensus of People to decide whether or not to Back something like a Petition.
We live here in Forum Time. Where things happen almost Instantaneously.
Give it some Time.
I seen it yesterday in a FB group I'm in and signed it and shared on my page and another FB group. Nice to see your idea take off. Love the many citations and other references BTW.
In the past, there have been many petitions thrown together with little input.
Oftentimes by newish vapers who just discovered there is an issue.
I was not always onboard with hyping those petitions because of a similar fear.
I signed them anyway, but was concerned about "crying wolf" and using up whatever motivation people have.
Having said that, I agree with what is below...
aarrgghhh... been trying to check the numbers for about 20 minutes but keep getting server error.
Same for me. It sucks that the site is having issues, but it's not stopping people from signing, possibly just slowing them down.
Maybe all the vapers trying to get in and sign it or just check it are causing an inadvertent DoS. 
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