IMO this sums up the whole thread perfectly in two sentences
Ya know, there are rules regarding making things to simple.
changing voltage / resistance, and why should I want to?
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Ya know, there are rules regarding making things to simple.
Actually I think I made a pretty simple argument for vv devices. Consistency of vape.
If the OP could not detect it, then fine, they no reason to switch.
I could detect it and it bothered me. I keep my MVP exclusively 7.0 watts unless I start getting a burnt taste from it, then it goes to 6.5. I don't like fiddling with my device. But I'm happy I have the ability.
If the OP could not detect it, then fine, they no reason to switch.
I could detect it and it bothered me. I keep my MVP exclusively 7.0 watts unless I start getting a burnt taste from it, then it goes to 6.5. I don't like fiddling with my device. But I'm happy I have the ability.
I felt the same way when I was on a (good) cigalike (eRoll). Then I was amazed 2 months later at how much more vapor and flavor I got from my Spinner/evod combo. I heard about how good cartotanks and mechs were, so I got a carto-tank hybrid. Wasn't that impressed, but still happy I have it (for the vapocalypse).
Then I realized that I'm a flavor junkie, and I also noticed that my favorite reviewers would explain how different flavors came out at higher wattages than I could get out of my Spinner/evod combo. I wanted to see if that was true. So I recently picked up an iTaste VV V3 and dammed if they weren't right--vaping (for me) at 9-10 watts for my tobacco blends is the shizzle!
And since I'm on a flavor quest, I've just picked up my first RDA and while I'm not sure I will be building coils I may again surprise myself. My quest to get the very best flavor possible from my juices may end here, although I don't really know.
My point being is that when I started, I was happy as pie with my cigalikes and did not ever see myself "upgrading". As chance would have it, I did--for my own personal pleasure. I don't think that everyone necessarily goes down this road, but compared to those who do, I am a very slow mover.
If you are happy with your setup, I see no reason why "you" should change. I know that I would have missed the experience I'm getting now if I didn't, but you don't miss what you don't know about. So stay happy vaping whatever device makes you happy and smoke free.
Then I realized that I'm a flavor junkie, and I also noticed that my favorite reviewers would explain how different flavors came out at higher wattages than I could get out of my Spinner/evod combo. I wanted to see if that was true. So I recently picked up an iTaste VV V3 and dammed if they weren't right--vaping (for me) at 9-10 watts for my tobacco blends is the shizzle!
And since I'm on a flavor quest, I've just picked up my first RDA and while I'm not sure I will be building coils I may again surprise myself. My quest to get the very best flavor possible from my juices may end here, although I don't really know.
My point being is that when I started, I was happy as pie with my cigalikes and did not ever see myself "upgrading". As chance would have it, I did--for my own personal pleasure. I don't think that everyone necessarily goes down this road, but compared to those who do, I am a very slow mover.
If you are happy with your setup, I see no reason why "you" should change. I know that I would have missed the experience I'm getting now if I didn't, but you don't miss what you don't know about. So stay happy vaping whatever device makes you happy and smoke free.
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If it makes you happy stay where you are now... Having a happy vape is pretty much what we are all searching for... Some a happy with awesome flavor, some with a beastly throat hit and others with huge clouds
I started with a cigalike, then threw that crap away for a couple years... Then i got an ego-ce4 and started my quest for ultimate flavor... Now i find myself happy with huge clouds and barely ever use my vamo for anything but ohm readings
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I started with a cigalike, then threw that crap away for a couple years... Then i got an ego-ce4 and started my quest for ultimate flavor... Now i find myself happy with huge clouds and barely ever use my vamo for anything but ohm readings
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We all come here wit a different agenda. I came to quit smoking. That later revised to quit smoking cigarettes, as I now am seeing vaping as a long term thing, because I enjoy it, and I enjoy the effects of nicotine - and I'm enjoying playing with all the toys. Some people want to save money.
It's ALL good.
Life is too short to spend rationalizing over something that's A. not that expensive, B. keeps you from smoking cigarettes, and C. makes a lot of people happy. I think that mindset in some ways for a lot of people comes from the shame we felt as smokers, how DARE we ENJOY something related to smoking? I used to buy really nice lighters, and was starting to collect Zippos. I got the "Why would you waste money on THAT?", with the implication of "You're a SMOKER, you're a BAD PERSON, you're not allowed to have FUN with it!".
You don't want or need mechs? Cool! Just enjoy the posts from people that do, or just don't read them. If you have a set up you enjoy, can afford, and keeps you from smoking cigarettes, you've won. Enjoy it, don't worry about the rest.
I gave you an honest and quick answer because it was late. I apologize for coming across "dismissive" because that wasn't my intention.
I'm out.
My take on it is that really, when it comes down to it, a properly working coil and a properly wicking material should give a decent result no matter what the ohm or voltage combinations are.
However, there's two reasons why I think the VV setting is useful - even throughout the folks that claim tanks and replaceable heads work fine, most people still agree that all of the perform better at 3.3-3.7V's and sort of taste burnt no matter what, going above 4.1V's. When dealing with these device's, it's always best to be able to dial the device down to what's tolerable.
The second I guess is the possibility of dealing with very high ohm'd coils. For me, it just so happened, either because of build quality or the high ohm itself, that the Cisco 3.5ohm atomizer put out some amazing flavors, yet needed a good 4.1V's to perform right - it simply did little of anything at 3.3V's-3.9V's, and at 4.1V's, the flavor suddenly sparked to life and the vapor plumed out. Very useful in that situation.
However, with how folks are out building 0.63ohm coils in such, my opinion is that a well-wicking and well-working coil should taste fine regardless of virtually any settings. At most, I'd believe that the settings may give one the ability to allow the juice shine with lower notes or higher layers, or taste a little drier or wetter, but you'd probably have to be using a very high-ohm'd coil for the big difference to really show; I personally wouldn't think a sub-ohm coil would give much wiggle room in terms of power for the vapor to really differentiate from setting to setting.
However, there's two reasons why I think the VV setting is useful - even throughout the folks that claim tanks and replaceable heads work fine, most people still agree that all of the perform better at 3.3-3.7V's and sort of taste burnt no matter what, going above 4.1V's. When dealing with these device's, it's always best to be able to dial the device down to what's tolerable.
The second I guess is the possibility of dealing with very high ohm'd coils. For me, it just so happened, either because of build quality or the high ohm itself, that the Cisco 3.5ohm atomizer put out some amazing flavors, yet needed a good 4.1V's to perform right - it simply did little of anything at 3.3V's-3.9V's, and at 4.1V's, the flavor suddenly sparked to life and the vapor plumed out. Very useful in that situation.
However, with how folks are out building 0.63ohm coils in such, my opinion is that a well-wicking and well-working coil should taste fine regardless of virtually any settings. At most, I'd believe that the settings may give one the ability to allow the juice shine with lower notes or higher layers, or taste a little drier or wetter, but you'd probably have to be using a very high-ohm'd coil for the big difference to really show; I personally wouldn't think a sub-ohm coil would give much wiggle room in terms of power for the vapor to really differentiate from setting to setting.
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Good enough is just that, good enough. If you are willing to settle for what you have now then settle. Just realize that if everyone settled then there would be no innovation and all we would have are auto cigalike batteries, plain atomizers and disposable cartridges. I won't settle for that. I want better. I like better.
Is it just me, or does everything in this post contradict itself? The ohms and the voltage have everything to do (along with other factors) with how well a device performs. You of all people should understand that! Weren't you just having a big debate about whether your fluctuating battery voltage was effecting your coils and causing them to burn?? By your logic, they should work fine regardless. I don't understand!!! lol
Anyway. I second the idea of getting an inexpensive vv or vw to test the waters. If it doesn't add anything to your experience, then at least you know for yourself. Either way, you can still use the device, and the batts you have will eventually need replacement anyhow. Can't hurt to try!
Op if what you have works for you why mess with success?
For most of us at some point what we had that was working for us just suddenly wasn't doing the job anymore so we went on the endless unicorn hunt chasing a better vape. Which can get pretty expensive over time btw.
I was lucky I eventually found something that seems to be working longer term for me in the REO Grand + RM2 (bottom feeder mech + rebuildable). That is my happy place, for other people it is something else.
Use what works until it doesn't anymore then do your homework and find something else. Chances are the vaping world will have changed in what it thinks is great in just a few short months. There is new stuff coming out all the time. Enjoy what you have and let the rest of us unicorn chasers test the new stuff and weed out the junk for ya.
For most of us at some point what we had that was working for us just suddenly wasn't doing the job anymore so we went on the endless unicorn hunt chasing a better vape. Which can get pretty expensive over time btw.
I was lucky I eventually found something that seems to be working longer term for me in the REO Grand + RM2 (bottom feeder mech + rebuildable). That is my happy place, for other people it is something else.
Use what works until it doesn't anymore then do your homework and find something else. Chances are the vaping world will have changed in what it thinks is great in just a few short months. There is new stuff coming out all the time. Enjoy what you have and let the rest of us unicorn chasers test the new stuff and weed out the junk for ya.
Agreed. EVERYTHING matters from the material, quality and density of the wick to the accuracy of voltage regulation. I'm a relative noob but I can probably list at least a dozen things that will affect the quality of the vape.
Why would I want to buy a car where the radio volume control was adjusted and nailed at the perfect volume for most people when I can have one with an adjustable volume control?
I vape 2 ohms around 3.7v, too. But, there are times when a juice needs a little more heat (or less). If the local vape shop is out out 2 ohm heads for my Kanger, I can just walk out with 2.5 or 3 ohm heads and vape them at 4.2v or 4.5v.
It's about flexibility. Some juices are better at a couple of tenths of a volt more or less. They aren't all optimum at 3.7v. When a coil is new, I might vape it at 3.4v. When it starts to lose flavor, I bump it up incrementally before finally washing and dry burning. Then, I start over at 3.4v again and adjust to taste.
I vape 2 ohms around 3.7v, too. But, there are times when a juice needs a little more heat (or less). If the local vape shop is out out 2 ohm heads for my Kanger, I can just walk out with 2.5 or 3 ohm heads and vape them at 4.2v or 4.5v.
It's about flexibility. Some juices are better at a couple of tenths of a volt more or less. They aren't all optimum at 3.7v. When a coil is new, I might vape it at 3.4v. When it starts to lose flavor, I bump it up incrementally before finally washing and dry burning. Then, I start over at 3.4v again and adjust to taste.
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I was going on about how my battery may be bad, but after a lot of thinking on it, I decided that there's really no way in heck that this could be a possible issue, and even if it was, even if my battery was outputting around 4.1V's or higher with the lowest setting, that a well-built RDA coil should handle it regardless.
I'm just more convinced that it's really been the build quality of the heads all along. RIP has had some recent experiences with certain brand heads that really backs up a lot of what I'm describing, almost to a tee. So I think it's just bad coils with hotspots, shorts, and all that.
But I sort of stand by my opinion that voltage is really just as needless as anything else. It can be a useful setting while testing, and for me it was a useful setting on a 3.5ohm coil, but other than that, on any coil with a lower ohm, I haven't seen much use or good out of it. Every other coil I've tried universally has been horrible. It wouldn't have mattered if that coil was set to 3.3V's or 4.5V's. It would have performed horribly. A good coil, like in the 1.8-2.5ohm range, should generally perform pretty outstandingly at the average 3.7V's that any old battery outputs. That's just how it works. A bad coil won't. If a coil can't handle 3.7V's or higher, something's horribly wrong with it.
Now, I'm not going on and on about what sub-ohm vapers and all that prefer, but I'm just telling it like it is in the normal world. Pull out a Protank, slap it on a 3.7V Ego, it should work fine. If the coil is wrapped fine. It should give you standard vapor, standard flavor, and all that. No reason why it shouldn't, if the coil isn't faulty. 3.7V's is a perfect little midrange voltage. Sure, variable voltage has its place, I do personally fiddle around with it, but I'm just saying that for a working vape, for a standard vape, for a vape that indeed tastes good and gives a decent amount of flavor, voltage has really nothing to do with it. A vape shouldn't be too weak to vape unless you practically have a 3.5 coil like I did and you start with 3.3V's. And 3.7V's shoudn't really be too hot for tank style devices unless it's like, a 1.0ohm coil or something.
The reason I'm not sticking with Cisco is because my atomizer gunked up in 30 minutes and it was impossible to clean. I think that may have been a result of such high ohms, but I don't really know, I'm not plunking down $13 again to try.
P.S. How I proved voltage doesn't make squat of difference, is I was trying out the local shop's CE4's, which were coiled great and tasted great, and I was turning the voltage completely up and down on their battery, and the CE4's did great at 3.3V's, did great at 4.8Vs, believe it or not. When you first take a puff on a device, if the coil is wrapped well, it'll taste GOOD, with no wicky tastes, with no downtrodden tastes, at any voltage. If not, it's a sign that it's a bad coil, to a certain extent, or a bad juice. In my testing, I seem to prove that voltage rarely has much of a needed effect in either direction beyond 3.7V's.
I'm just more convinced that it's really been the build quality of the heads all along. RIP has had some recent experiences with certain brand heads that really backs up a lot of what I'm describing, almost to a tee. So I think it's just bad coils with hotspots, shorts, and all that.
But I sort of stand by my opinion that voltage is really just as needless as anything else. It can be a useful setting while testing, and for me it was a useful setting on a 3.5ohm coil, but other than that, on any coil with a lower ohm, I haven't seen much use or good out of it. Every other coil I've tried universally has been horrible. It wouldn't have mattered if that coil was set to 3.3V's or 4.5V's. It would have performed horribly. A good coil, like in the 1.8-2.5ohm range, should generally perform pretty outstandingly at the average 3.7V's that any old battery outputs. That's just how it works. A bad coil won't. If a coil can't handle 3.7V's or higher, something's horribly wrong with it.
Now, I'm not going on and on about what sub-ohm vapers and all that prefer, but I'm just telling it like it is in the normal world. Pull out a Protank, slap it on a 3.7V Ego, it should work fine. If the coil is wrapped fine. It should give you standard vapor, standard flavor, and all that. No reason why it shouldn't, if the coil isn't faulty. 3.7V's is a perfect little midrange voltage. Sure, variable voltage has its place, I do personally fiddle around with it, but I'm just saying that for a working vape, for a standard vape, for a vape that indeed tastes good and gives a decent amount of flavor, voltage has really nothing to do with it. A vape shouldn't be too weak to vape unless you practically have a 3.5 coil like I did and you start with 3.3V's. And 3.7V's shoudn't really be too hot for tank style devices unless it's like, a 1.0ohm coil or something.
The reason I'm not sticking with Cisco is because my atomizer gunked up in 30 minutes and it was impossible to clean. I think that may have been a result of such high ohms, but I don't really know, I'm not plunking down $13 again to try.
P.S. How I proved voltage doesn't make squat of difference, is I was trying out the local shop's CE4's, which were coiled great and tasted great, and I was turning the voltage completely up and down on their battery, and the CE4's did great at 3.3V's, did great at 4.8Vs, believe it or not. When you first take a puff on a device, if the coil is wrapped well, it'll taste GOOD, with no wicky tastes, with no downtrodden tastes, at any voltage. If not, it's a sign that it's a bad coil, to a certain extent, or a bad juice. In my testing, I seem to prove that voltage rarely has much of a needed effect in either direction beyond 3.7V's.
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No part of what you said above is how it works.
I hope you eventually find a coil you like to vape and that helps you to understand
doctadrea - If you want to experiment and play around with flavors, vapor production, throat hit and all of that then a VV/VW device as well as different types of coils, atomizers etc. is something you can do but not something you have to do. Changing the voltage as little as .1 volt can completely change the flavor of a juice as well as the density of the cloud and the throat hit. A lot of it boils down to wattage and changing voltage is the easiest way to change wattage but as others have stated, a little Ego style battery (Twist is an ego) doesn't have the horsepower to drive bigger atomizers. Changing the coil style and resistance is the other way. I have a dual coil dripper that works at around 22 watts and I have a Mini Protank 2 that does a phenominal job at 8 watts. And 8 watts is generally acceptable as the best average for most all off-the-shelf atomizers. Less wattage will result in a very rapid gunking on the coil and an awful taste, higher wattage without an efficient juice delivery will result in hot gas not vapor and with that hot gas often comes what is called a burnt taste.
Changing voltage/resistance is a way of changing wattage. Why should you want to, well if you want to play around and possibly find a better vape then you can but if what you have for you is working then there's absolutely no need to change anything.
Honestly you didn't prove anything, your offering an opinion and that opinion goes against 99.9% of the rest of the vaping world.
I can tell a difference in .1 volt either way from the sweet spot on EVERY one of my atomizers. But I also know I'm changing the voltage because I have working devices not a "twist type" battery that has been proven to be defective (getting warm while vaping on clearo's means there's something wrong with the battery not the clearo unless the clearo is dead shorted which means you'd be vaping lithium/magnesium gas not vaporized Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin).
There are 174,xxx members on here of which 20,xxx are active and there's one spewing misinformation about how voltage has nothing to do with vaping.
The vast majority get into vaping to quit smoking even if the FDA and American Lung Association don't believe that. Some are happy with an Ego and Clearo while others take it on as a new found hobby and get into more advanced vaping. However the misinformation being spewed around by a very few can drive people away without ever giving them the chance to see what will work for them.
If you have all the scientific evidence to back up all these egregious claims then show it, post it, take pictures of it but don't ramble on for hours as though you are the only one who knows anything and the other 20,000+ active members are wrong.
Changing voltage/resistance is a way of changing wattage. Why should you want to, well if you want to play around and possibly find a better vape then you can but if what you have for you is working then there's absolutely no need to change anything.
Honestly you didn't prove anything, your offering an opinion and that opinion goes against 99.9% of the rest of the vaping world.
I can tell a difference in .1 volt either way from the sweet spot on EVERY one of my atomizers. But I also know I'm changing the voltage because I have working devices not a "twist type" battery that has been proven to be defective (getting warm while vaping on clearo's means there's something wrong with the battery not the clearo unless the clearo is dead shorted which means you'd be vaping lithium/magnesium gas not vaporized Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin).
There are 174,xxx members on here of which 20,xxx are active and there's one spewing misinformation about how voltage has nothing to do with vaping.
The vast majority get into vaping to quit smoking even if the FDA and American Lung Association don't believe that. Some are happy with an Ego and Clearo while others take it on as a new found hobby and get into more advanced vaping. However the misinformation being spewed around by a very few can drive people away without ever giving them the chance to see what will work for them.
If you have all the scientific evidence to back up all these egregious claims then show it, post it, take pictures of it but don't ramble on for hours as though you are the only one who knows anything and the other 20,000+ active members are wrong.
I don't have a clue what I'm talking about though because, well here's my proof aside from the fact that I haven't had an analogue in over 5 months-
Sorry, said I wouldn't do it again but..............
Sorry, said I wouldn't do it again but..............
60 seconds of dry burning will fix the cisco. but you know that right?
if voltage isnt important then how did provape become so popular.
someday you will figure out a broken little ego doesnt make you an expert. and just about any clearo taste great after soaking for 3 days.
if voltage isnt important then how did provape become so popular.
someday you will figure out a broken little ego doesnt make you an expert. and just about any clearo taste great after soaking for 3 days.
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This stuff is hard to discuss even among experienced vapers. Let alone mixing all the experimental results/experiences and "newbieness".
It's hard to describe an experience and hard to communicate it. Sometimes it gets so intimidating that people won't ask questions because they don't feel "in the know" enough to discuss it. Or, if they relate their experience, and they modify ohms rather than volts to change wattage, or comment on coil quality (which DOES vary) they don't know how to phrase it "properly" so that us "old time experts" are satisfied that the results are communicated properly.
A lot of the times, you guys are saying the same thing from different directions. Sure, it's a "discussion"...and a friendly one I hope....but hey as long as whatever you do works, it's all good. There are several variables...and the more parts you add, the more variables you have.
I for one am glad we have options. Regulation may make things a bit safer from juice quality standards, but it may limit options too. Same with devices. But the down side of all the options is....it isn't simple anymore. At least not on that level of the "hobby". Even for cig-a-likes...there's a lot of variation in quality/watts.
It's hard to describe an experience and hard to communicate it. Sometimes it gets so intimidating that people won't ask questions because they don't feel "in the know" enough to discuss it. Or, if they relate their experience, and they modify ohms rather than volts to change wattage, or comment on coil quality (which DOES vary) they don't know how to phrase it "properly" so that us "old time experts" are satisfied that the results are communicated properly.
A lot of the times, you guys are saying the same thing from different directions. Sure, it's a "discussion"...and a friendly one I hope....but hey as long as whatever you do works, it's all good. There are several variables...and the more parts you add, the more variables you have.
I for one am glad we have options. Regulation may make things a bit safer from juice quality standards, but it may limit options too. Same with devices. But the down side of all the options is....it isn't simple anymore. At least not on that level of the "hobby". Even for cig-a-likes...there's a lot of variation in quality/watts.
Both of these x infinity.
I just... I don't even... why do you... Argh! Never mind. What difference would it make? You are the expert after all.
Obviously, you have the tastebuds of an elderly Yak. All clearos taste like socks, sweat, drywall. Unfortunately, it's been scientifically proven through countless controlled TESTING scenarios, that acheiving the taste of Grandmas loose elbow skin is only possible for the first 30 minutes of a 3.5 ohm Cisco attys life with a defective battery and possibly a knock off RBA with a microcoil wrapped around a twig. (because drill bits cost a fortune)
Usually you nail your posts, Thrasher....but this time you're just plain wrong. Get it together, brother. We need you on your A game.
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