Children in a vape cafe

[DC2]

My kids have known that I smoked cigs their entire life. My kids also know that when I was a teen, I did worse things. And yet, they grew up and they don't smoke, don't do drugs, and don't drink. My daughter always says that she and her brothers should get a free pass for anything they do since what they do is nothing compared to the stuff that I've done when I was young.

My wife's parents drink every night, sometimes more than just a few...

My wife's brother and sister don't drink at all, and never have.
They are in their forties now.

My wife rarely drinks, although sometimes I wish she would drink a little more often.

 

[BlueCanary]

No, I don't care for that. Not because I think that vaping around kids will hurt them (though I personally don't do it, because you never know) but because it won't be too long before someone sees kids hanging out with parents in the vape lounge, and then it will be "ohh, please think of the CHIIILDREN" and be more ammo in the crusade against vaping. Maybe bringing them in with you for a few minutes while you buy something if you have absolutely no alternative, but not hanging out in there for hours.

Some places are adult places. Our vape shops in NC have big signs on the door that say you have to be 18+ to even come in. tobacco shops are the same way. When I was smoking, I've seen the woman who works at the closest tobacco shop have her 9 year old son sitting outside in a chair playing on her phone while she closed because he wasn't allowed inside while the business was open.

Some people have no concept of where it is appropriate to bring kids. I once helped organize an erotic-themed art show, which was held in a bar (we rented it out, so it was a private event) and featured a burlesque show. It started at 10pm. And idiots showed up with their kids, and complained because there weren't activities for them to do. To a BAR, where if it hadn't been a private event, the children would not have been allowed at all, under pain of loosing the liquor license. I guess ultimately it depends on the state and their rules about who can and can't be in certain kinds of businesses, but it seems like a not too smart thing to do, and if I were there it would annoy me.

 

[CMD-Ky]

It might just be because I am an old derelict, but I refuse to go to bars that allow children. Pretty much the same way with vape shops.

I don't like bars with children; they cry, yell, run, are undisciplined and generally annoy me.

 

[CMD-Ky]

How did you get to this conclusion?

Steve likes to paint with a broad brush and narrow vision.

 

[CMD-Ky]

How odd. Why would anyone bring their child into a bar anyways? Like getting drunk with your kid there at 1pm is safer than after 9pm?

I went to a bar once and I exited sober. I am unsure what happened; I committed a soberness.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Who says the only choice is a pub or McD's?
If the pub has food then they are not just a bar. so that was not what I was talking about anyways.

What is Alcohol about if not getting drunk? (or at least a little tipsy) If you do not want that then why drink it at all?

And going to the kitchen is about gluttony.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I'm not sure what kind of bars you're frequenting, you mentioned 1PM so I'm talking about bars that are likely to be open at 1PM, here the most popular are of the "sports bar" type and they do serve food, lunch is a big piece of their revenue.

I prefer this kind of bar in March as Kentucky stomps its way through the tourney.

 

[caramel]

I don't like bars with children; they cry, yell, run, are undisciplined and generally annoy me.

This brings up a few good points.

People with small children are imposing additional stress to everybody around. They somehow see this as being their "right". And somehow they also believe that you should lose all your rights while you're blessed with the presence of their offspring. Everbody around shall behave as they say, because, see, "the children" give them additional "rights" that trump everything.

This can be fixed to a large extent by policies similar to those of "adult only vacation resorts". Guess what, there's nothing out of ordinary going on there, it's just that you don't have "the children" roaming around all day long. And none of the frequently obnoxious "the parents". I could agree that, completely at the latitude of a vape shop owner, they could have an age policy, where they establish all the rules (including a particular age limit). But under no circumstance should this be government's business.

 

[Woofer]

I don't like bars with children; they cry, yell, run, are undisciplined and generally annoy me.

Actually bars and children are a great match...
Arrange 8 foot (2.4M) bars vertically about 4 inches (100mm) apart in a continuous rectangle, insert children, leave the room.

 

[Racehorse]

TAs I look toward the front of the cafe from the back, there is a cloud of vapor in the air.

Which is why many restaurants don't want a whole bunch of people vaping in their establishment while others are eating.......

 

[Racehorse]

Since we're talking about unruly children...

Have you ever had one of these creatures sitting behind you on an airplane?
You know, the kind that are kicking your seat?

My first move is to turn and give the parent(s) a dirty look.
My second move is to end the problem for good.

I am by no means above disciplining your child for you.

This is part of upbringing. Back in the 50s when I was a child, going out to eat was a "rare" occassion. Special. People went to that all-you-can-eat fish fry thing at Howard Johnsons. We were taught table etiquette so at 5 years old, we were well behaved. All 4 of us kids.

But IF you weren't, my parents whisked you out of there, and everyone went home, and you were the *reason* and that carried a lot of shame......also the shame that you couldn't behave and ruined the evening for the rest of your family.

This is how you learn that your behavior DOES affect other people. (and I've seen some examples of vapers who don't seem to get that either).

In those days parents of unruly children didn't indulge themselves and continue with their meal at the expense of other diners.

My dad generally just paid the bill and figured the food he paid for and didn't get to eat was his responsibility because his children were his reponsibility, too. Part of being civilized, classy, and accountable is taking care of your own **** and not leaving other people to suffer or clean up after you and yours.

 

[Racehorse]

Their claim was that large size soft drinks promoted obesity.

Lack of self control causes most obesity unless it is a metabolic problem. Ditto, over doing anything, whether it be vaping, drinking, eating, gambling, shopping, etc. (and yes, I do believe one can vape too much).

On a similar front, I just finished imploring the owner of our local mex restaurant to please please please do whatever they have to do to allow us to have an alcoholic drink with our meal. A margarita or something!

The vote went out again last year and came back no in our dry county. (technically, it's not really dry, just that the churches bought up all the licsences.......it's very expensive, too, nice to know the $$ I put into the collection box goes for things like this instead of helping poor people with children heat their homes this winter. ) I literally asked my church if they own a liquor licsense....and they did, so I left and joined another church.

The owner said "well we would offend and lose all of our church people" and I said......"build an addition on and let us "sinners" enjoy a beer in a separate area".

I don't even drink but my gal pals took me out to lunch for my birthday and we really wanted to have a margarita or something.

 

[AndriaD]

my take ... if these kids are not in there wrapping coils for their parents ... they should be home playing violent video games ... or better, cleaning their rooms

Homework is always a good option too!

Andria

 

[CMD-Ky]

Homework is always a good option too!

Andria

Is there still homework? I thought it was too hard and there are so many sports practices to get to.

 

[AndriaD]

Ever consider moving to a country with less violence and crime, better education and health care.

I fantasize about Canada endlessly.

Andria

 

[Bernard Marx]

Wrapping coils?

 

[CMD-Ky]

Wrapping coils?

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extra characters

 

[Bernard Marx]

....hmmmm...

 

[Rossum]

I fantasize about Canada endlessly.

It's very nice there. In the summer, which lasts about 4 weeks.

 

[AndriaD]

This is part of upbringing. Back in the 50s when I was a child, going out to eat was a "rare" occassion. Special. People went to that all-you-can-eat fish fry thing at Howard Johnsons. We were taught table etiquette so at 5 years old, we were well behaved. All 4 of us kids.

But IF you weren't, my parents whisked you out of there, and everyone went home, and you were the *reason* and that carried a lot of shame......also the shame that you couldn't behave and ruined the evening for the rest of your family.

This is how you learn that your behavior DOES affect other people. (and I've seen some examples of vapers who don't seem to get that either).

In those days parents of unruly children didn't indulge themselves and continue with their meal at the expense of other diners.

My dad generally just paid the bill and figured the food he paid for and didn't get to eat was his responsibility because his children were his reponsibility, too. Part of being civilized, classy, and accountable is taking care of your own **** and not leaving other people to suffer or clean up after you and yours.

At the age of 15 months, our previously wondrously behaved baby decided he LOVED the sound of things banging on those metal high-chair trays. Needless to say, we didn't go out to eat again until we moved down here among my family when he was 2 -- we had built-in babysitters! And it was explained to him when he was about 2 1/2 that he could start going with us, IF he behaved himself -- so he did, until one unfortunate night when he was about 7 -- after that, he didn't go out to eat with us again for about a year. He learned very well that some behavior simply won't be tolerated, and he wouldn't be allowed to participate for a WHILE. After that last ostracism from restaurants, he became so well-behaved in public that everyone thought he was just a jewel -- of course, they didn't see him at home.

Andria