oh yeah.
1. mandate the use of fire ......ants in cigarettes
2. watch how smokers go menthol to hide the vile taste of burning carpet glue
3. complain that menthol is what makes smokers smoke
4. ban menthol
Children in a vape cafe
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oh yeah.
1. mandate the use of fire ......ants in cigarettes
2. watch how smokers go menthol to hide the vile taste of burning carpet glue
3. complain that menthol is what makes smokers smoke
4. ban menthol
Those fire ......ants sound like some dangerous stuff. I did my research and it's the same chemical used on plastic wrap to make it cling.
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They have to wait until the proposed law passes the state legislature. Once that law passes, then the state excise tax will be added to e-cigs and then they will be able to tack on a city tax. The Coalition for a Smoke Free NYC actually celebrates the fact that with the NYS and city taxes on cigarettes, the cost of cigarettes in NYC is the highest in the country.
This is the same city that had passed a ban on the sale of carbonated soft drinks in containers larger than 16 oz., until a federal judge shot down the law since it was discriminatory since it did not ban other drinks containing sugar such as ice teas. Their claim was that large size soft drinks promoted obesity.
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They were mandated by the govt. Without any complaining of "we don't have enough data on them when used for inhalation, especially burned"
That law was especially stupid considering a 16oz glass of soda isn't even close to 16oz after you factor in the cup of ice you have with it.
That law would have been really bad for a lot of other businesses as well because it would have removed buying pitchers at restaurants as well as the containers of soda served in upscale establishments that serve liquor to your table by the bottle.
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That law would have been stupendously expensive to Coca Cola and Pepsi since it would basically ban the sale of any of their plastic bottles since they are all over 16 ounces (1/2 liter, 20 ounce, liter, and 2 liter). It would also increase prices for the consumer since they would basically have to pay extra for all that extra packaging.
How about, if your child is asthmatic, or has other conditions that may be irritated by vapor, you don't bring them to the vape shop, or anywhere else that might irritate them? Much like if your child has peanut allergies, don't take them to Texas Roadhouse, where the floor is literally covered in peanut shells.
I'd be concerned from the potential exposure to nicotine but not from the environment itself. If I had a kid I'd say "this is something some adults do, when you're older you can decide whether you want to or not." I don't think a few minutes in a vape shop is going to harm a kid though. I'd tell them to stand away from the clouds, I guess.
Nicotine is only addictive through tobacco though.
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I wanted to make sure I wasn't being unfair, and coming down too hard on the OP so I went back and read their posts again. From the described incident, this wasn't even a case of this child has been in here for hours, it was a case of "I looked up and saw a child in here." So, no children, at all, ever...
Then, for SnG's I checked out their post history and what do I see? "I stopped patronizing starbucks because they don't allow guns or vaping."
So, not only can I not bring my child into the vape shop with me. You also want to be able to vape wherever you please, which would apparently make those places off limits to me and my child as well. You want to be able to vape wherever, but are offended by the presence of a child in your vape sanctuary.
Then, for SnG's I checked out their post history and what do I see? "I stopped patronizing starbucks because they don't allow guns or vaping."
So, not only can I not bring my child into the vape shop with me. You also want to be able to vape wherever you please, which would apparently make those places off limits to me and my child as well. You want to be able to vape wherever, but are offended by the presence of a child in your vape sanctuary.
I think its personal preference. Its not a crime, nor is it something that needs to be hidden. If you feel like it needs to be hidden then that's your problem. People drown themselves in alcohol and other drugs around their kids and its perfectly legal. I think its more important to try and instill good values in the kids.
I'm only offended by children if their parents don't keep them under control. If the child is sitting quietly, talking quietly, no problem. If the child is bouncing around like a zoomba on (OTHER STUFF), then I have a problem... with the parent, for not teaching the child how to act in public, and not taking them out of that environment when they begin to be irritating to EVERYONE ELSE AROUND. Just because you think it's funny to give them a whopping dose of sugar and then see how they zoom, doesn't make it true of everyone else who is not related to that child.
Nicotine TRACES (if there even ARE any traces in exhaled vapor) aren't going to hurt ANYONE. If other things in the vape don't bother the child at home, then they're probably not going to bother the child in public either, but even if they did, from some vape other than what you vape at home, breathing is fast, and the problem would show very quickly. Vaping is not a SIN, and 2nd-hand vapor is NOT A THING AT ALL. Clouds of it may be unpleasant to breathe, but that doesn't make them dangerous to breathe.
I don't see the issue here as being about the child at all; it's about the annoyance factor to other patrons of the establishment to which you've dragged your child, and I repeat: a brief visit isn't going to harm or bother anyone, but hanging out, with child in tow, is a VERY BAD IDEA -- it will annoy the other patrons, and it will give the ANTZ some totally unnecessary fodder for new attacks on vaping, since they apparently think that vapor is the same as poison gas and won't pay any attention to the science that says otherwise -- which isn't surprising, considering how THEY suborn science to their own agendas; it's clear they have ZERO respect for science at all. To them, science is the magic 8-ball -- shake it and see what answer it gives NOW.
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"WARNING: Free-ranging children in this establishment will be given a double cappuccino and a puppy."
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I'm a friend to my son NOW... but when he was growing up, I was most definitely the parent, and didn't put up with much foolishness -- but I also didn't try to cow him into subservience and unthinking submission, nor treat him to any more irrationality than I could avoid -- I treated him like a PERSON.
Be careful with those blanket judgments. Just because you treat your child like a HUMAN BEING doesn't mean you're not being a PARENT -- you're just being a GOOD parent.
Andria
I'm a friend to my son NOW... but when he was growing up, I was most definitely the parent, and didn't put up with much foolishness -- but I also didn't try to cow him into subservience and unthinking submission, nor treat him to any more irrationality than I could avoid -- I treated him like a PERSON.
Be careful with those blanket judgments. Just because you treat your child like a HUMAN BEING doesn't mean you're not being a PARENT -- you're just being a GOOD parent.
Andria
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