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But tomatoes, potatoes and peppers do. ;)


Personally, I smoked around my kids, but outside when they were, and used it as a teaching tool. Eventually kids going to want to mimic someone, their friends more than likely. Why else has every parent on the face of the planet said something to the effect of "if your friends jumped off of (fill in the name of a high elevation here) would you do it too"? I spent many years talking to them about both not playing follow the leader and the dangers of getting hooked on cigarettes. I also explained what it felt like to be chained to a pack of cigarettes. Neither of my boys have ever smoked nor done any drugs, and both are independent thinkers; not easily taken in by whatever fad their friends were/are currently into. Not too shabby for a pair of gifts that didn't come with instructions. :laugh:

EDUCATION MATTERS!!!!

tell your kids the truth, explain pros and cons ... so, when it comes to it they can make the smart and informed decision you expect them to!!!

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About the learned behavior thing, Just because a kid grows up in a smoker household doesn't mean the kid is "doomed" to pick up the habit. Kids are curious and will discover curious things on their own in given time, one way or the other regardless of what the parents do. Both my parents were never smokers, and neither was anyone in my family. At the age of 14 I was already smoking cigarettes in spite of what my parents preached about them. A friend I know, he grew up with an alcoholic father and mother and till this day he hates alcohol and won't even have a drink, a complete teetotaler. In the end kids are just regular people and like all regular people, they will develop into who they want to be. Teaching them good values goes a long way and does influence them, but not completely.
 

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Even if you were to blow out nicotine (it doesn't make sense to me either but studies say no) nicotine isn't that big of a risk and those it is a risk for tend to not be in the "kid" category.

I understand the mimicking issue. That was what crossed my mind when my great niece asked what it was (not old enough to have a real conversation with and I don't do well with baby reasoning).

I dunno, you can get contact from any other second hand inhalation except vapor? Sounds a little too convenient not to mention completely counterintuitive.
 

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About the learned behavior thing, Just because a kid grows up in a smoker household doesn't mean the kid is "doomed" to pick up the habit. Kids are curious and will discover curious things on their own in given time, one way or the other regardless of what the parents do. Both my parents were never smokers, and neither was anyone in my family. At the age of 14 I was already smoking cigarettes in spite of what my parents preached about them. A friend I know, he grew up with an alcoholic father and mother and till this day he hates alcohol and won't even have a drink, a complete teetotaler. In the end kids are just regular people and like all regular people, they will develop into who they want to be. Teaching them good values goes a long way and does influence them, but not completely.

Definitely doesnt doom you, but, its a fact scientifically speaking that children emulate the behaviour of the adults around them. Between the ages of around 3 to 10 we are mimicking behavior of those around us and during those years we're developing neural connections and modes of thought that will be set for life and while you can choose to deny any impulse you want, those impulses will be with you for the rest of your life on some level. Thats a behavioral science fact, Im not just making it up, its why psychologists have jobs lol

As far as your friend though, they probably were so traumatized growing up in an alcoholic household it pushed them in the complete opposite direction. That can work either way though. I grew up in a super conservative fundamentalist christian household, went to church 5 or 6 times a week. Im an athiest and you couldnt get me into a church now. But my upbringing definitely played and plays a huge part in making me the individual I am. Just not in the way my folks may have wanted, lol so anyway, I dont think you can argue that point really. Life experience alone shows that children grow up to be alot like thier guardians in more ways than not even if theyre struggling to not emulate them.
 

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Definitely doesnt doom you, but, its a fact scientifically speaking that children emulate the behaviour of the adults around them. Between the ages of around 3 to 10 we are mimicking behavior of those around us and during those years we're developing neural connections and modes of thought that will be set for life and while you can choose to deny any impulse you want, those impulses will be with you for the rest of your life on some level. Thats a behavioral science fact, Im not just making it up, its why psychologists have jobs lol

As far as your friend though, they probably were so traumatized growing up in an alcoholic household it pushed them in the complete opposite direction. That can work either way though. I grew up in a super conservative fundamentalist christian household, went to church 5 or 6 times a week. Im an athiest and you couldnt get me into a church now. But my upbringing definitely played and plays a huge part in making me the individual I am. Just not in the way my folks may have wanted, lol so anyway, I dont think you can argue that point really. Life experience alone shows that children grow up to be alot like thier guardians in more ways than not even if theyre struggling to not emulate them.

Great post, in fact it goes way past 10 years old, adults who find themselves easy to integrate into new crowds or different crowds of people are usually adults who can mimic the behavior of those crowds easily. It's easy to deny those facts and consider yourself an individual, but we are social animals who do much of our conversation and interaction at unconscious levels. Chances are the friends you are closest with are very much like you in some ways... that's mimicking behavior, not pure chance that you ran into someone like you, lol.

So ya, your child will want to mimic your behavior at any age, especially if your a cool dad ;)
 

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I dunno, you can get contact from any other second hand inhalation except vapor? Sounds a little too convenient not to mention completely counterintuitive.

Why do you insist on ignoring science without any science to back up what your intuition tells you to believe?

Utah Vapers - Clearstream Air Results

"During the ecig session we found ... No toluene, xylene, CO, NOx, nicotine..."

If you have a study showing massive amounts of nicotine (I'm sure you can find some from the ANTZ that show some nicotine but it is minor) post it. We're all ears.

As far as contact from "other second hand inhalation", you were lied to and you insist on believing it.

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/90/19/1440.full.pdf

"Conclusions:
Our results indicate no association
between childhood exposure to ETS and lung cancer risk.
We did find weak evidence of a dose–response relationship
between risk of lung cancer and exposure to spousal and
workplace ETS. There was no detectable risk after cessation
of exposure."

That is from the study that has been held up to demonize cigarettes as killing people who don't smoke, the one all other studies were based off. It says nothing close to what has been claimed. The lie was repeated until the lie became accepted as the truth.

The only danger is if the people exposed to the second hand smoke or vapor have an existing health issue that makes the smoke or vapor an issue. The smoke or vapor is not creating the issue.


Definitely doesnt doom you, but, its a fact scientifically speaking that children emulate the behaviour of the adults around them. Between the ages of around 3 to 10 we are mimicking behavior of those around us and during those years we're developing neural connections and modes of thought that will be set for life and while you can choose to deny any impulse you want, those impulses will be with you for the rest of your life on some level. Thats a behavioral science fact, Im not just making it up, its why psychologists have jobs lol

As far as your friend though, they probably were so traumatized growing up in an alcoholic household it pushed them in the complete opposite direction. That can work either way though. I grew up in a super conservative fundamentalist christian household, went to church 5 or 6 times a week. Im an athiest and you couldnt get me into a church now. But my upbringing definitely played and plays a huge part in making me the individual I am. Just not in the way my folks may have wanted, lol so anyway, I dont think you can argue that point really. Life experience alone shows that children grow up to be alot like thier guardians in more ways than not even if theyre struggling to not emulate them.


The problem is those scientists tend to ignore the self medication aspect of smoking and the fact that a lot of the things that one would self medicate for tend to run in families.

I started smoking as a habit around age 14. My first series of gastro testing happened at age 14. Coincidence?
This most recent quit was inspired by what I now know was a flare of Ulcerative Colitis. I switched and got worse which got me to cut out nicotine. I got worse and went to the Dr. I stayed off nicotine in case it was cancer or Crohn's. I flared the whole time I was going through testing. I was diagnosed with Crohn's and stayed off nicotine while going on pills, I still flared. My diagnosis was changed to Ulcerative Colitis, I added nicotine back in and increased it above what it was when I first switched, I got better. I've had some flares since but nothing like when I was at low/no nicotine.
I suspect the reason all my previous quit attempts have failed is because my body knew nicotine was my medicine. It is likely I've had this since I was a baby.

Being raised in a super conservative fundamentalist Christian household and going to church 5-6 times a week would explain why you're willing to believe the claims about second hand smoke in spite of their own study coming to the opposite conclusion ;)
 

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Being raised in a super conservative fundamentalist Christian household and going to church 5-6 times a week would explain why you're willing to believe the claims about second hand smoke in spite of their own study coming to the opposite conclusion ;)

I assume thats an attempt to discredit my sense of logic or reasoning? I guess you didnt read the rest of what I said. Im not basing my opinion on any study, as I said, it seems counterintuitive that I can inhale vapor with nicotine in it and absorb the nicotine, but by exhaling it, magically render it impotent. Im not saying that cant be the case, I just wont be blowing it around any children because it doesnt seem to make logical sense to me. And Im sure if I said I was vaping a juice with ricin in it you wouldnt be standing next to me while I did it no matter what the report said. Im guessing youre worked up because you vape around your kids and I struck some nerve, thats your business and your kids. I just dont do that. If you want to converse, cool, no reason to be insulting.
 

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I assume thats an attempt to discredit my sense of logic or reasoning? I guess you didnt read the rest of what I said. Im not basing my opinion on any study, as I said, it seems counterintuitive that I can inhale vapor with nicotine in it and absorb the nicotine, but by exhaling it, magically render it impotent. Im not saying that cant be the case, I just wont be blowing it around any children because it doesnt seem to make logical sense to me. And Im sure if I said I was vaping a juice with ricin in it you wouldnt be standing next to me while I did it no matter what the report said. Im guessing youre worked up because you vape around your kids and I struck some nerve, thats your business and your kids. I just dont do that. If you want to converse, cool, no reason to be insulting.

It was an attempt at humor that given the fact that you didn't take on that life as an adult that I thought you would get.
Sorry, I was raised Southern Baptist/Missionary Baptist and jokes like that are common with me and my siblings.

I agree it seems counter intuitive. Even more so when you consider the comparatively low amounts of nicotine vaping seems to deliver to the blood. But I haven't ever seen any study claiming there's massive amounts of nicotine being exhaled.
But even if there were my intuition would tell me that those exposed to it second hand would be getting less than the person actually puffing on it and if it's not harmful to those puffing on it it wouldn't be harmful to those breathing in a small percentage of what is exhaled.

I don't have kids. I just don't like bad science that people accept and apply to everything because the ANTZ have pulled a classic propaganda ploy.
 

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Remind me to smack myself in a few years when my other addictions/hobbies come out to play in the no longer kids. Wonder if I should stop being so damned selfish and hide my espresso machine and/or Starbucks gold card. Just as addictive, if not more so, caffeine is as nicotine.
Will bat husband upside the head(well might do that now, just for fun hehe) for his fancy schmancy hobby of crafty beers. Yuck, beer. Worse! He listens to country music within my children's hearing range. Now that is painful and something I wouldn't wish upon my worse enemy...
(btw the video game references and snotty kid mentions have greatly amused me, Ty... hopefully my kids won't catch my sarcasm habit too!)
If they are old enough to understand somethings are just adult decisions, and that sometimes we made bad ones(smoking!) and better ones(vaping, IMHO) maybe they'll grow up and learn from our mistakes and modify their own lifestyle choices to avoid our pitfalls. Dunno. At least I hope they will think harder about their own choices. Mine are old enough to ask questions and disagree with me, if need be, already!
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I am guessing that people that vape nowhere near children do not let them go to a Haunted House or a Concert or any event that uses machine produced Fog.

Not sure what this has to do with "mimicking" behavior. That seems to be the top reason that parents here expressed not wanting to vape around their kids.

I am quite sure I would never have smoked had I not lived with a mother who smoked.....I used to watch her smoke, all the behaviors attached to smoking, it looked cool and relaxing to me, so of course I wanted to smoke.

Since vaping is harm reduction, not harmless, I would hope that my kids didn't vape either......I just prefer that they not get involved with nicotine at all. Nor the puffing, inhaling, pursing of lips, etc. that are part of the vaping "behavior". Freedom is good, i.e. not having to be tied to an ecig and all the fixin's, fiddling, and expense.

Is it better than smoking? Of course. But nicotine is still a vaso constrictor and has negative implications in terms of blood pressure, raynaud's sydrome or any blood vessel or extemities circulatory conditions, etc. My anesthesiologist was glad I informed him that I was using nicotine, as he does have to be aware of "adjustments" that may need to be made while keeping me safe during surgery. We discussed this in detail, and while he is happy I am not smoking he agreed that my decision to lower my nicotine was a good idea if I could do it, and so I did.
 
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No WAY would I have smoked a cigarette anywhere near my son and I find it gross, second hand smoke or no. Vaping is a bit different because I don't think it harms him in any way. He's also a kid (high-functioning autistic) that is in his own little world so I don't think he even notices it. I mostly do my vaping at night when I have my evening tea. Knowing my kid, he would just shake his head at it. He doesn't pick up things from us very often. He even corrects me when I use swear words so I'm not worried about him in the slightest.
 
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