Children in a vape cafe
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alien Traveler" data-source="post: 15484446" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch">alien Traveler said:
Well, that's not ME, I just refused to quit until there was a fashionable alternative.
I doubt the vape will cause harm to the children in a visit to the vape shop. However a vape shop should be for just adults to relax and enjoy coffee , vape and adult company.
I don't see how it couldn't when you asked the 2 questions you did.
As Lessifer said in earlier post, this issue has everything to do with how we (society) will be viewing 2nd hand vapor going forward. If not good for kids to (ever) be around, then likely not good for non-vapers to (ever) be around. And from there, it's really not a big jump to - nowhere indoors and many places outdoors should ever allow it.
The "kids" and "vaping" thing is at the heart of all regulations currently facing us. Name a regulation, any proposed regulation, and it stems from the idea of whether or not kids will one day theoretically be involved and how can we (government, influenced by ANTZ) nip that in the bud and control the market/industry right now to conform to most suitable plan going forward.
So many vapers arguing for the precious innocence, well being of children. It's always endearing to see that argument put forth. And almost always challenging to process it when one sits back and ponders things for all of 3 minutes, or more, realizing the utter hypocrisy in such arguments. Seems that all the things that occur outside of the vape shop are 'beyond our control' or whatever and thus just what a kid must deal with when growing up on this planet. But hold the phone, stop the presses, a child has entered a vape shop and whoa, that is going to be the thing that changes them forever, and there will be no turning back.
Mostly humors me to watch the arguments be put forth. The justifications for the emotional hype around kids. Humorous when you understand a thing or two about a thing or two. But less humorous when wanting to engage in dialogue with people who think this is a very serious matter and us (so called) adults must take this issue very seriously. Ya know, for the children's sake.
IMHO, if the parent is just stopping in for a few minutes to pick up a few things, it's fine if they bring the kids.
If the parent wants to hang out, blow clouds and have the child in the store for an extended period of time, probably not a great idea. I'm a parent (he's all grown up!) and I personally wouldn't want my son exposed to huge clouds of VG. I also don't think a lot of my fellow vapers would be real happy with a bored eight year old in the shop either. But that's just me.
All things in moderation, y'know? But you have to be really careful about telling other people how to raise their children.
If the parent wants to hang out, blow clouds and have the child in the store for an extended period of time, probably not a great idea. I'm a parent (he's all grown up!) and I personally wouldn't want my son exposed to huge clouds of VG. I also don't think a lot of my fellow vapers would be real happy with a bored eight year old in the shop either. But that's just me.
All things in moderation, y'know? But you have to be really careful about telling other people how to raise their children.
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I'm sorry, which post are you referring to? I couldn't care less how you raise your child, as long as you're not abusing them and even then my care extends as far as reporting it to the authorities, that's my point. The only thing I've done in this thread is point out the hypocrisy of "you can vape anywhere you want, around anyone you want, except a child." If you really and truly believe that children should never be exposed to vapor, that is a perfectly fine opinion for you to have even if I don't agree, but that opinion strips away your right to have the opinion that you should also be able to vape around non-vapers as they have the same rights of non-exposure as the children.
ETA: I'm honestly confused, I went back and looked at my posts in this thread and I don't see myself attacking anyone, or calling anyone an ANTZ. I really do try to stay respectful when I post, because I like to keep dialog open if possible. How did I offend you?
I'm sorry, which post are you referring to? I couldn't care less how you raise your child, as long as you're not abusing them and even then my care extends as far as reporting it to the authorities, that's my point. The only thing I've done in this thread is point out the hypocrisy of "you can vape anywhere you want, around anyone you want, except a child." If you really and truly believe that children should never be exposed to vapor, that is a perfectly fine opinion for you to have even if I don't agree, but that opinion strips away your right to have the opinion that you should also be able to vape around non-vapers as they have the same rights of non-exposure as the children.
ETA: I'm honestly confused, I went back and looked at my posts in this thread and I don't see myself attacking anyone, or calling anyone an ANTZ. I really do try to stay respectful when I post, because I like to keep dialog open if possible. How did I offend you?
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You made my whole point from my earlier post ..the antz have plants that read these posts and they love read these..we will use for the children against vapers the same way we used them against smokers and people will welcome it
Sure, please feel free to parent your children as you see fit. No one here suggested otherwise.
It looks like three groups can contain all posts to this thread.
1) I don't care if kids are in a vape shop.
2) Kids should not be in vape shops, because they will annoy adults
3) Kids should not be in vape shops, because it is dangerous to the child's health and wellness.
I am curious about how far the last group takes their concerns.
If I visit your homes will I find air fresheners, candles, aromatherapy oils, fabric softeners, cupboards full of chemical cleaners and prepared "foods".
Do you have a dog and live in the country.
Do you drive with children, or perhaps let them drive an ATV.
Ever consider moving to a country with less violence and crime, better education and health care.
How do you grade risks.
1) I don't care if kids are in a vape shop.
2) Kids should not be in vape shops, because they will annoy adults
3) Kids should not be in vape shops, because it is dangerous to the child's health and wellness.
I am curious about how far the last group takes their concerns.
If I visit your homes will I find air fresheners, candles, aromatherapy oils, fabric softeners, cupboards full of chemical cleaners and prepared "foods".
Do you have a dog and live in the country.
Do you drive with children, or perhaps let them drive an ATV.
Ever consider moving to a country with less violence and crime, better education and health care.
How do you grade risks.
No, your anger is your right and is not wrong. I think your anger should be channeled into a law; no one should be allowed to do that of which you disapprove or which angers you. Thank you for calling this appalling behavior to our attention.
The kids will be fine. Second hand vape is harmless. Its good to not influence kids into anything nicotine, drug related thats all.. Parents choice.
While his anger is his right, he should at least do some research on nicotine before having this anger and assuming the dangers of nicotine based on nothing more then the association with cigarettes. Because this is the exact kind of misunderstanding that has vaping under fire.
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I think it's important to keep in mind that probably 95% of new vapers come in here brainwashed.
Brainwashed by decades of propaganda that they've swallowed hook, line, and sinker.
Just like the rest of the world.
It takes time and education to overcome that brainwashing.
And still, sadly, the education doesn't always take hold.
It's hard to overcome decades of brainwashing.
Those parents' behavior offends me, take their children and put them in a state run orphanage.
Since we're talking about unruly children...
Have you ever had one of these creatures sitting behind you on an airplane?
You know, the kind that are kicking your seat?
My first move is to turn and give the parent(s) a dirty look.
My second move is to end the problem for good.
I am by no means above disciplining your child for you.
Have you ever had one of these creatures sitting behind you on an airplane?
You know, the kind that are kicking your seat?
My first move is to turn and give the parent(s) a dirty look.
My second move is to end the problem for good.
I am by no means above disciplining your child for you.
My kids have known that I smoked cigs their entire life. My kids also know that when I was a teen, I did worse things. And yet, they grew up and they don't smoke, don't do drugs, and don't drink. My daughter always says that she and her brothers should get a free pass for anything they do since what they do is nothing compared to the stuff that I've done when I was young.
By contrast, the family across the street doesn't smoke, and yet their son (he's the same age as my older son) cut classes and got left back, smokes, drinks and does drugs. I also suspect he's involved in dealing as well. Their house has become the neighborhood hangout for the known druggie kids from the school and the police have shown at their house several times.
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