China Court Upholds Ruyan Patent on E-Cigs–Orders Others to Destroy Inventory

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riddle80

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What a wonderfully strange market.

It keeps things exciting Nuck ;). Every week something new unfolds. I've quit guessing about what the future holds for these. There is so much going on behind closed doors we haven't a clue about. Could be good, could be bad (I think it's good though!).

One thing I have learned is not panic and assume the worst till we know the facts :).
 

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I emailed both Red Dragon and Bloog regarding the Ruyan case. I've not heard from Bloog yet, but I received the following from Nick Evans, VP of Operations at Red Dragon:

"Hi Scott,

The action initiated by Ruyan will not effect Red Dragon and is simply a last ditch effort taken by a company who choose to invest in litigation rather than innovation and has seen their market taken over by others with much better products. Red Dragon is here to stay."


Sounds like good news to those of us who prefer this type of e-cig.
 

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Here is a news notice that was on the e-cig.com website.

Terrible Lie: We Are Closed?!

Right now, there is big news from some company announcing that E-Cig is an illicit manufacturer of electronic cigarettes and accessories and has been ordered by the court to destroy all of its existing stock of inventory and agree to never engage in the electronic cigarette business again.

E-Cig has made E-Cigar and E-Pipe at the beginning with the similar technology as Ruyan. The technology applied in the E-Cigar and E-Pipe was so bad so that E-Cig had to invent the new technology with the other manufacturer to meet the market needs. The E-Cig atomizing technology and it's products have been innovated a lot since the first generation of the electronic cigarette.

It is true that Ruyan made a lawsuit against E-Cig for the Infringement for the Ruyan's patent No. 200420031182,0. The court has thoroughly examined the case and made finally the following decisions, on 20th January 2009, which have been agreed by the both parties E-Cig and Ruyan:

1. E-Cig has made E-Cigar and E-Pipe before using the similar technology as Ruyan, should stop to produce the E-Cigar and E-Pipe products and destroy the existing stock of inventory for the E-Cigar and E-Pipe products.
2. E-Cig pays RMB¥100,000 (equivalent to only $14,600 US Dollars) compensation to Ruyan for the damages.
3. All the other E-Cig products, such as E-Cigarette, E-Cigarillo, E-MiniCig, E-Cig E8, E-Cig E9, USB-ecig U8, USB-ecig U9, USB-ecig U9m etc. are using it's own new technology actually. There is no Infringement for the Ruyan's patent No. 200420031182,0.
4. The both parts agree to do not make any announcement in any news or advertisement with wrongful mispresentation of the court decision for the business purpose.

For some ulterior selfish motives, Ruyan has violated the court decision and the agreement. From Ruyan announcement, E-Cig is an illicit manufacturer of electronic cigarettes and accessories and has been ordered by the court to destroy all of its existing stock of inventory and agree to never engage in the electronic cigarette business again. Now, it is now believed in the world that E-Cig would be closed. We understand very well some people were really dreaming that E-Cig would be out of the business so that they could monopolize the electronic cigarette market with the outdated technology.

By providing constant innovation and highly competitively-priced products, E-Cig has become the world's #1 choice for the electronic cigarette products; E-Cig.com has become the world largest B to C and B to B commercial website for the electronic cigarette products. Ruyan can not monopolize and control the electronic cigarette market any more.

For developing the E-Cig products, we have the Patents: 2006301649379, 2006301649383, ZL2006 2 0135072.8, ZL2005 2 0031712.6 and applied the patents with the patent pending number: 200620119250.8, 200620167599.9, 200820005536.2, 200510017951.0, and 200710054948.5. Our comprehensive products which represent the new generation of electronic cigarette products are completely different from Ruyan products from the inside structure to the outside looking. We will continuously do our best to provide the constant innovation.

We will never be closed. On the contrary, we have cleared the garbage products which could not meet the market needs, and concentrate now on our own new products; and we will be growing much quicker and quicker again.

We will never be closed. On the contrary, we have cleared the important obstacle which stood before our path, and concentrate now on our own new way; and we will be developing much bigger and bigger again.

We have never agreed or claimed that we would never engage in the electronic cigarette business again. On the contrary, we will engage in the electronic cigarette business FOREVER ......

E-Cig
Feb. 24, 2009
 
Nice long thread of paranoid speculation, LMAO.

E-cig got notified about what was going on and has responded with the true story.

I remember having read the original post on here yesterday or the day before and then ran across the e-cig response on their site and was coming back to let you guys know everything is going to be alright. But it seems like you guys beat me to the punch, nice work.

Ruyan sued for infringement E-cig paid for infringing and got rid of the merchandise that was covered by Ruyan patent or copyright.

This whole electronic smoking thing is hitting critical mass right before our eyes and I'm sure it will play out well worldwide.

Electronic smoking can only get better, as someone that has watched the internet and technology mature it's great to see that it has been used to create a new worldwide market before the typical government bull**** and greed have been able to get in the way, well the US government/Big Tobacco bull**** at least. Something that will actually save lives instead of take them.

It's good to finally see Big Tobacco losing it's death grip on our population and e-cigs vendors and manufacturers coming out of the shadows everywhere like a bunch of ninja's. With atomizer, batteries, and e-juice.
I have already put on my ninja suit and am distributing these to everyone I know.

Thank God Obama smokes and is genuine enough to see the value in this, again I'm sure this will only get better.

Happy Healthy Vaping.....
 

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It does not appear plausable that Ruyan would misrepresent the facts of a litigation when they have other cases on the docket in the same Court --Sun

See--LEGAL MATTERS
Ruyan America Inc., Minneapolis, said that its China-based joint venture partner, Ruyan Group Holdings, has successfully asserted its intellectual property rights to the essential technology and design of the electronic cigarette in a recent legal proceeding in China. In a Chinese court in January, Ruyan prevailed in a lawsuit against e-Cig, a China-based illicit manufacturer of electronic cigarettes and accessories. As a result of the decision, e-Cig was required to pay compensation to Ruyan for damages, destroy its existing inventory and agree to never again engage in the electronic cigarette business. The ruling was the first of what Ruyan expects to be a series of such decisions, as it has initiated similar actions against other illegal, China-based manufacturers. --- Company news
 
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What seems interesting is .... this ....

Most Ecig Manufacturers/Suppliers/Trading companies that deal with ECigs in China all have legal business names ....

Included in this name is the City/Business Name/ and normally something like LTD/LIMITED/CO./ETC....

What this article fails to mention is the actual business name, and just refers to "e-Cig" which can mean hundreds of companies .... If the article was formal, or legal in any way, the legal business name would be mentioned/applied.
 
What seems interesting is .... this ....

Most Ecig Manufacturers/Suppliers/Trading companies that deal with ECigs in China all have legal business names ....

Included in this name is the City/Business Name/ and normally something like LTD/LIMITED/CO./ETC....

What this article fails to mention is the actual business name, and just refers to "e-Cig" which can mean hundreds of companies .... If the article was formal, or legal in any way, the legal business name would be mentioned/applied.


Nice observation....

But if you go to:

e-cig[dot]com/shopping/shopcontent[dot]asp?type=statement

You will see E-cigs.com response says they where indeed sued and gets into some details about the court proceedings.
 
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What seems interesting is .... this ....

Most Ecig Manufacturers/Suppliers/Trading companies that deal with ECigs in China all have legal business names ....

Included in this name is the City/Business Name/ and normally something like LTD/LIMITED/CO./ETC....

What this article fails to mention is the actual business name, and just refers to "e-Cig" which can mean hundreds of companies .... If the article was formal, or legal in any way, the legal business name would be mentioned/applied.

AND... not to mention this article was taken from a press release off of PRNewswire that was written by Ruyan. Ruyan Asserts Patent Rights to E-cigarette in Key China Court Ruling

You and I both know we can write press releases saying any old thing we want and the "journalists" will regurgitate it to the masses.

Press releases can be good, but they are also how a lie can be mass produced into fact within 24 hours. Plus, there is no journalistic integrity anymore, so fact checking is irrelevant. Yep. Good ole American news!
 

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The bottom line is....when we as suppliers can no longer get product we can start to worry, until that happens all of this is just speculation. The manufacturers in China are not going to just lay down and give up their business, they will fight and that fight will take years. So, I said it before and I will say it again, EVERYONE CHILL.
 
EVERYONE SHOULD CHILLL!!!!

FROM E-CIG.COM

Terrible Lie: We Are Closed?!

Right now, there is big news from some company announcing that E-Cig is an illicit manufacturer of electronic cigarettes and accessories and has been ordered by the court to destroy all of its existing stock of inventory and agree to never engage in the electronic cigarette business again.

E-Cig has made E-Cigar and E-Pipe at the beginning with the similar technology as Ruyan. The technology applied in the E-Cigar and E-Pipe was so bad so that E-Cig had to invent the new technology with the other manufacturer to meet the market needs. The E-Cig atomizing technology and it's products have been innovated a lot since the first generation of the electronic cigarette.

It is true that Ruyan made a lawsuit against E-Cig for the Infringement for the Ruyan's patent No. 200420031182,0. The court has thoroughly examined the case and made finally the following decisions, on 20th January 2009, which have been agreed by the both parties E-Cig and Ruyan:

1. E-Cig has made E-Cigar and E-Pipe before using the similar technology as Ruyan, should stop to produce the E-Cigar and E-Pipe products and destroy the existing stock of inventory for the E-Cigar and E-Pipe products.
2. E-Cig pays RMB¥100,000 (equivalent to only $14,600 US Dollars) compensation to Ruyan for the damages.
3. All the other E-Cig products, such as E-Cigarette, E-Cigarillo, E-MiniCig, E-Cig E8, E-Cig E9, USB-eCig U8, USB-eCig U9, USB-eCig U9m etc. are using it's own new technology actually. There is no Infringement for the Ruyan's patent No. 200420031182,0.
4. The both parts agree to do not make any announcement in any news or advertisement with wrongful mispresentation of the court decision for the business purpose.

For some ulterior selfish motives, Ruyan has violated the court decision and the agreement. From Ruyan announcement, E-Cig is an illicit manufacturer of electronic cigarettes and accessories and has been ordered by the court to destroy all of its existing stock of inventory and agree to never engage in the electronic cigarette business again. Now, it is now believed in the world that E-Cig would be closed. We understand very well some people were really dreaming that E-Cig would be out of the business so that they could monopolize the electronic cigarette market with the outdated technology.

By providing constant innovation and highly competitively-priced products, E-Cig has become the world's #1 choice for the electronic cigarette products; E-Cig.com has become the world largest B to C and B to B commercial website for the electronic cigarette products. Ruyan can not monopolize and control the electronic cigarette market any more.

For developing the E-Cig products, we have the Patents: 2006301649379, 2006301649383, ZL2006 2 0135072.8, ZL2005 2 0031712.6 and applied the patents with the patent pending number: 200620119250.8, 200620167599.9, 200820005536.2, 200510017951.0, and 200710054948.5. Our comprehensive products which represent the new generation of electronic cigarette products are completely different from Ruyan products from the inside structure to the outside looking. We will continuously do our best to provide the constant innovation.

We will never be closed. On the contrary, we have cleared the garbage products which could not meet the market needs, and concentrate now on our own new products; and we will be growing much quicker and quicker again.

We will never be closed. On the contrary, we have cleared the important obstacle which stood before our path, and concentrate now on our own new way; and we will be developing much bigger and bigger again.

We have never agreed or claimed that we would never engage in the electronic cigarette business again. On the contrary, we will engage in the electronic cigarette business FOREVER ......
 

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