CHIT CHAT in VOLTVILLE

[reptilr]

Great going Sherlock and good luck !! Yes we will be here no matter what happens!
All i can say is i hate itunes....
The word escapes me but kon is right, if you give him access to your comp he can fix it from where ever he is. I hope things get sorted out painlessly for you.
Good evening all, lol i have tried a bacon french toast variant flavour and the taste is incredibly mind blowing, be sure not to spill it either , whether its vaped or spilled the smell sticks to you like nothing else, forget about washing it off... Nada nada no.
I am on the fence with these Ce3, no matter how much of a gap i leave the juice just doesn'nt wick enough for me. All SI's. Juices that is. Its a bit of a shake battle to get the air bubbles out and the juice in.
Am wondering though if its just me or has the throat hit on the 12mg grape and RY4 increased? Lately i am having troubles just with the throat hit on those two.
As for Tasty Vapor... ( sorry imagine) i have just gone back to ordering from them from nearly a years break. Very tasty juice. I love their mojito( the sweetened version is very sweet with a refreshing spearmint and minty taste) and have just fallen in love with their mahalo oahu. ( i get a slight cinamony tad of pineapply very faint lavender slight something else through it. Dunno but i like it.
Have a good day! Best i get me some sleep. Also thanks for posting all the info about coconut. Some good info in here!


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[lilac7779]

Good Mornin' Volties!

(I made that purple for Lilac because she's crazy enough to be up at 4:27 a.m.!!)

Oh, I'm crazier than that, Rave. You just can't tell from your vantage point.

 

[bluecat]

Here we goooooo....
Coffee brewed as I viewed the suggestions...
Latest version of IE so no need to upgrade....
Already had Malwarebytes so all ok there but had never run it....
Poured a HUGE cup o joe & had many PV's filled & ready for action...


Gawd this pc fixin stuff is tiring LOL

Ha! Yes it is. Just think though Coffee and vaping nothing better. I just got my Gandalf in. I like to steep it but filled up a CE3 for the morning drive in. My wife had made coffee earlier before she left but it had gone cold so I brewed me some more before I left. I took two travel cups. Needless to say it took me a while to get into work and it was a great commute.

Okay back to the important stuff.

Usually I say if it isn't broke don't fix it. My guess is it will do the same thing again. I have been wrong before. Sadly I get reminded a lot that I am not perfect.

IE up to date. Good. No malware even better. Safe mode does that. You actually do the same thing when going into windows too, you just don't see it loading everything. If you get an SSD it loads in like 9 seconds. Very cool to watch. I digress.

My best guess at this point is it has something to do with your video. You probably have an ATI board or card. Did it also state something about "ativvaxx.dll" My next step would to check the date of your graphics drivers on it. Upgrade if need be. Although sometimes this will screw it up. Fun eh? To access it right click on the desktop (dang got to remember XP here) properties --settings--advanced---adapter--driver there or probably easier to click on start right click on computer--properties--device manager--open your display adapters right click on your ati (hopefully that is what it is) then drivers tab... check the date on it.. then try to update. If it updates great! If not.. more coffee and more vaping is needed. Apparantly there have been some issue with some ATI drivers. Sometimes you have to uninstall the driver then reinstall it. Don't go that route yet unless you are comfortable doing it. It can be a bear for someone who doesn't know what they are doing.

Also like the other said there are ways to take control of a person's PC so someone can work on them. I am not comfortable doing that at this stage, but if you trust Kon it may be the way to go. I use a program called Team Viewer for my family and clients, but as in anything computer related there are 100 different ways to do one thing.

"Could this mean that the pc was never installed correctly or missing something?? " Anything is possible but I doubt it.

Also please note that I am just a dude on the internet. Please be careful in what you do. Unless you are like me and are only afraid of snakes. Not much else worries me. Almost anything can be fixed. Also check around for the install disks. A good reinstall may help but do it as a last resort. It can take 24 hours to update freaking windows from a fresh install. I know I reformat my kids comps once every 3 months. If you do make sure you have backups of anything important and the install disks. Or you can create a ghost image. Some people like it but I am of the mind if you put a backup of something screwed up back on generally your are still screwed up.

Also try what these others are saying. Something about IE settings. For the life of me I can't find it.


Good luck. Important.... if you aren't comfortable doing something. Then don't. It generally isn't worth the frustration.

 

[awsum140]

I'm a little "selective", nicer than ...., about liquids. I'm looking for vendors who aren't afraid to post their ingredients, including generalized sources, and are made onshore and, preferrably, in glass bottles. If they include a chemical analysis, so much the better. Why is it so hard for liquid vendors to supply this kind of basic information? I understand wanting to keep the specific formula for their unique flavors under wraps, but we are inhaling this stuff so a little information regarding the contents would seem to be appropriate, at least to me. Any suggestions are appreciated and I'm anxiously awaiting SI's American made liquids, as are many others I am sure.

 

[grego66]

Hi Everyone,

And all the best with that Sherlock. I've been wondering about that, if one gave up vaping you would probably have to give up all the browsing. It's just too tempting.
I am trying to draw the line with juices, I always see or read about something I want to try out so I have decided to just stick with the SI juices and I am trying to cut those down as well.
I think another alternative to quitting altogether would be to go down to 0 nic, you still get that hand to mouth fix and the feel I guess.
Has anyone tried any SI 0 nic juices?

Oh I also agree with awsum, I think the contents of the bottle should be put on the juices, I don't know why they don't do that now.

 

[mudhill]

Hi Everyone,

And all the best with that Sherlock. I've been wondering about that, if one gave up vaping you would probably have to give up all the browsing. It's just too tempting.
I am trying to draw the line with juices, I always see or read about something I want to try out so I have decided to just stick with the SI juices and I am trying to cut those down as well.
I think another alternative to quitting altogether would be to go down to 0 nic, you still get that hand to mouth fix and the feel I guess.
Has anyone tried any SI 0 nic juices?

Oh I also agree with awsum, I think the contents of the bottle should be put on the juices, I don't know why they don't do that now.

IF and when the FDA gets involved they may have to list the contents,,maybe not a bad thing.

Larry

 

[Mroutlaw]

I'm a little "selective", nicer than ...., about liquids. I'm looking for vendors who aren't afraid to post their ingredients, including generalized sources, and are made onshore and, preferrably, in glass bottles. If they include a chemical analysis, so much the better. Why is it so hard for liquid vendors to supply this kind of basic information? I understand wanting to keep the specific formula for their unique flavors under wraps, but we are inhaling this stuff so a little information regarding the contents would seem to be appropriate, at least to me. Any suggestions are appreciated and I'm anxiously awaiting SI's American made liquids, as are many others I am sure.

It's mostly because they don't know them. E juice is made of a combination pg, vg, nic base (which is just nicotine in pg or vg) artificial or natural food Flavors and sometimes coloring and distilled water. The food Flavors come from companies like Capella, Tpa, flavorart. Those companies don't list the chemicals that are In their flavorings so it would be difficult to list whats in the juice other than "artificial watermelon flavoring.". Like you said, if they did that, they would be giving away their recipes since it would be very easy to figure out the ratio if flavor to base by trial and error.

Remember, most of the juice companies are mom and pop places that started as people at home doing DIY. Making your own juice is easy, the hardest part is figuring out how much flavoring to put in (between 5-20%). It only costs 3-10cents per ml to make it at home.

 

[bluecat]

Remember, most of the juice companies are mom and pop places that started as people at home doing DIY. Making your own juice is easy, the hardest part is figuring out how much flavoring to put in (between 5-20%). It only costs 3-10cents per ml to make it at home.

So when they charge 12 bucks for 30 ml and say they are not doing it for the profit just because they love doing it. That is pretty much BS. That would .90 to 3.00 in cost. Which would give a 9 dollar net, not including labor. 75% profit margin before labor? Not too shabby.

I know in my business experiences I have never met anyone that wasn't in it for a profit unless they were getting a stream of cash from elsewhere.

 

[Mroutlaw]

So when they charge 12 bucks for 30 ml and say they are not doing it for the profit just because they love doing it. That is pretty much BS. That would .90 to 3.00 in cost. Which would give a 9 dollar net, not including labor. 75% profit margin before labor? Not too shabby.

I know in my business experiences I have never met anyone that wasn't in it for a profit unless they were getting a stream of cash from elsewhere.

I didn't say that, I am saying that they are small mom and pop places that don't have the ingredients lists and large business abilities.

On average, juice sells for 60 cents a ml. If a juice is 20% flavoring, it costs you about 10cents to make, but that doesn't include bottle, syringes and other stuff you need.

They are all in it to make some money, but they are not large buisness'. If the FDA were to get involved, all these small juice companies like Vapedudes, altcig and others will probably have problems


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[awsum140]

It's mostly because they don't know them. E juice is made of a combination pg, vg, nic base (which is just nicotine in pg or vg) artificial or natural food Flavors and sometimes coloring and distilled water. The food Flavors come from companies like Capella, Tpa, flavorart. Those companies don't list the chemicals that are In their flavorings so it would be difficult to list whats in the juice other than "artificial watermelon flavoring.". Like you said, if they did that, they would be giving away their recipes since it would be very easy to figure out the ratio if flavor to base by trial and error.

Remember, most of the juice companies are mom and pop places that started as people at home doing DIY. Making your own juice is easy, the hardest part is figuring out how much flavoring to put in (between 5-20%). It only costs 3-10cents per ml to make it at home.

If most of them don't know the ingredients, in a basic form, like "FDA food flavorings from a US manufacturer" then it's all the more reason to be cautious. I see person after person "swearing" that "this stuff is the best juice ever!" and they don't have a clue what might be in it. Sure, PG, VG nicotine, but what else? Better yet, just where did that stuff come from, somebody's excess inventory, somebody who went out of business, somebody making things in their garage or basement, the local supermarket or dollar store or was it a recognized manufacturer? All I'm saying is some general information, not specific amounts or ratios, is more than appropriate since all of this stuff is readily absobed when inhaled or, even, through the skin and mucous membranes. Johnson Creek and Mountain Oak don't seem to have much of a problem with basic information, why isn't everyone else sharing at the same level? Yeah, I know a chemical analysis is an expensive proposition for a "mom and pop" operation, but a simple, basic, ingredient list sure isn't.

 

[rave]

Oh, I'm crazier than that, Rave. You just can't tell from your vantage point.

That's one of the reasons that I suspect that you and I would really hit it off "in person".

 

[Mroutlaw]

If most of them don't know the ingredients, in a basic form, like "FDA food flavorings from a US manufacturer" then it's all the more reason to be cautious. I see person after person "swearing" that "this stuff is the best juice ever!" and they don't have a clue what might be in it. Sure, PG, VG nicotine, but what else? Better yet, just where did that stuff come from, somebody's excess inventory, somebody who went out of business, somebody making things in their garage or basement, the local supermarket or dollar store or was it a recognized manufacturer? All I'm saying is some general information, not specific amounts or ratios, is more than appropriate since all of this stuff is readily absobed when inhaled or, even, through the skin and mucous membranes. Johnson Creek and Mountain Oak don't seem to have much of a problem with basic information, why isn't everyone else sharing at the same level? Yeah, I know a chemical analysis is an expensive proposition for a "mom and pop" operation, but a simple, basic, ingredient list sure isn't.

I agree, I was just answering when you said why arent they doing it.

Johnson creek is a very large company that also supplies juice to ecig companies like Blu. They have more money and equipment. That is where it will go if th FDA gets involved.


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[bluecat]

I didn't say that, I am saying that they are small mom and pop places that don't have the ingredients lists and large business abilities.

On average, juice sells for 60 cents a ml. If a juice is 20% flavoring, it costs you about 10cents to make, but that doesn't include bottle, syringes and other stuff you need.

They are all in it to make some money, but they are not large buisness'. If the FDA were to get involved, all these small juice companies like Vapedudes, altcig and others will probably have problems


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I know many mom and pop stores of various means and functions. Just wanted to be sure where that .03-.1 cents per ML was coming from. I am sure it didn't take into account research cost associated with trying to find the exact flavor for a type of liquid.

Maybe maybe not. Typically a mom and pop will have problems depending on what happens and what is passed.


Was thinking about some DIY. Have stayed away from it because of the kids and pets. Just at first sight 3 vs 12 bucks is a huge difference. (Website and other fees as well as re cupping the design and credit cards fees) I feel safer with my low nic bottles out of reach of everyone.

 

[awsum140]

I agree, I was just answering when you said why arent they doing it.

Johnson creek is a very large company that also supplies juice to ecig companies like Blu. They have more money and equipment. That is where it will go if th FDA gets involved.


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I know and I hope my "rant" didn't offend you, or anyone else for that matter. I don't think it's a question of IF the FDA gets involved, more of a when. To me, by not supplying a basic list now it only adds fuel to the fire of regulation in the future.

 

[Qew]

I'm a little "selective", nicer than ...., about liquids. I'm looking for vendors who aren't afraid to post their ingredients, including generalized sources, and are made onshore and, preferrably, in glass bottles. If they include a chemical analysis, so much the better. Why is it so hard for liquid vendors to supply this kind of basic information? I understand wanting to keep the specific formula for their unique flavors under wraps, but we are inhaling this stuff so a little information regarding the contents would seem to be appropriate, at least to me. Any suggestions are appreciated and I'm anxiously awaiting SI's American made liquids, as are many others I am sure.

I have only ordered liquids from a very few vendors, but my experience is that you can usually find some info on the website if you look hard enough. Check the FAQs, the companies I ordered from describe what they use at different levels of detail. Not so much on the labels, I know, but some info IS better than none. I wish SI would go into a bit more detail about the liquids, perhaps when the new blends come out we will have that. You can try Vermont Vapors (vg only), Virgin Vapors-all organic ingredients, and Mr-E-Liquid. I am quite happy with the flavors I bought from them, along with my SI flavors.

Now that we are talking about this, do you think if FDA regulations force vendors to list ingredients, the tobacco companies will also have to? I think they may have to alter packaging to fit the entire list!

 

[Mroutlaw]

When the FDA gets involved, it will most likely be worse than that. I believe the regulations will come with the nicotine.
Anyone can make juice with vg,pg and food flavoring. I think the will regulae the distribution of nicotine more, which will probably shut down many of the small juice companies. You will probably have to have FDA licenses and stuff to sell ejuice. This will ultimately make juice much more expensive. It's the same in the foreign countries. In some countries, the ecig is legal and so is 0 nic juice, but nicotine juice is difficult to get and heavily regulated.

It will be a while, these things don't happen overnight with the FDA. The bigger thing we need to worry about is local laws that tax ecigs and ban their use in places. That's why its so important to get involved and support CASSA


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[cindycated]

I didn't say that, I am saying that they are small mom and pop places that don't have the ingredients lists and large business abilities.

On average, juice sells for 60 cents a ml. If a juice is 20% flavoring, it costs you about 10cents to make, but that doesn't include bottle, syringes and other stuff you need.

They are all in it to make some money, but they are not large buisness'. If the FDA were to get involved, all these small juice companies like Vapedudes, altcig and others will probably have problems


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And don't forget about overhead (rent, lights, staff, etc.). I get my juices as cheaply as I possibly can, and happily pay what little I do to not have to figure out formulas and stuff, turn my kitchen into a lab, or have to pay to stock up on supplies. Also, I'm pretty comfortable with the ingredients, because these flavorings have been used in food (cakes, candies, etc.) for years, where it does have to be FDA approved. Food grade PG/VG is all over the place (not just e-liquid), and hey, with everything I've put into my body even before I started vaping, I've managed to stay alive this long. If this stuff ends up killing me at this point, I'd rather die happy. But nothing about it really scares me. The BPA in polycarbonate on the other hand...(haha, I was gifted old-style clearos that I've occasionally been using)

I think ECBlend lists ingredients on their bottle labels though...

 

[Enzusa]

Good morning.

That looks very appealing & nice n dainty...reminded me of the lil tea partys my Mum use to make for me, come to think of it, she still has my tea set from allllll those years agooooo

 

[Enzusa]

You can use teamviewer. No need to install, i use it everyday to repair PC's in London, 500-600km away or any other part of the world.
You just watch the screen, you can also talk if needed through this.
Nothing is impossible.

Awww thanks for that offer K, I would employ you if this was an older pc but with it being newish & still under extended warranty I'll make them suffer to do the work

 

[awsum140]

One more thought regarding liquids.....I have absolutely no idea what is in a cigarette and I smoked them for 50 years. I have a little bit of an idea what's in the liquids I'm using from SI, at least the basic ingredients anyway, so what's the big deal? Then again, I know more about what is in the dog food I feed Bo than what's in that liquid. Just sayin.