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asharp22

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Im thinking mandatory military will crack a whip on the future workforce, and maybe teach ppl some work ethic. Heck, it might improve the moral sector as well. Combat will tend to make someone REAL religious...And uncle sam turned me away because i had surgery on a foot as a kid. Im glad though..a month later my bro crossed the border in Iraq and got the war kickin. Still feel like I missed an opportunity in all that though. I wanted some nice survival training.

you know I thought that it would do that too, but then I thought, our nation is obese, and the military won't take them, so maybe nothing will change.......

ps. any one watch biggest loser last night!!! omg!!! love that show!!!
 

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There was an act passed recently H.R.1388: The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress
that gives money to...these guys AmeriCorps and Corporation for National and Community Service
Who fund and give grants to non-profit orgs(red cross, habitat for humanity, and the food bank are that list)...and create, advertise and connect folks with volunteer positions within their communities.

There is talk.......that in the future..these volunteer jobs, might not be so volunteer....they may be mandatory for teens in the future.

(which somehow lead to they are enslaving my babies! and career mom's suck in the outside....o0 )
 

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ok here are my thoughts on that. You can't force my kid to work. I started working when I was 14 because I had to help out with bills and basic needs. If I wanted a new pair of shoes or pants, I had to pay for it. If I wanted to join a club, I paid the dues. So I started working. My kids will not work in high school. They will possibly volunteer if they want, but only when their schedules allow it. I would not force them into the work force and the government can't 'make' you put your child into an environment that could potentiallu hurt their education. I expect my children to take full class loads with AP courses and summer school classes for things they were unable to get into during the year.

They can't make teens volunteer when there are so many people looking for employment. If there is a need for volunteers to do something, there should be an organization in place to pay the 'volunteers' at least minimum wage, then all the adults who are struggling so hard to support their families could find a job that pays something. Or they could offer it to the people on welfare for 5+ years in California. Those people need the work. Not teenagers who are struggling with enough social pressures in high school.

but that's just my two cents. I don't think it will be mandatory.


There was an act passed recently H.R.1388: The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress
that gives money to...these guys AmeriCorps and Corporation for National and Community Service
Who fund and give grants to non-profit orgs(red cross, habitat for humanity, and the food bank are that list)...and create, advertise and connect folks with volunteer positions within their communities.

There is talk.......that in the future..these volunteer jobs, might not be so volunteer....they may be mandatory for teens in the future.
 

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its the lack of pride and workmanship that plagues the US right now..at least in the 15-30 yr olds...I still dont get it.

poor parenting IMO

Actually I agree with both of you. I know a ton of parents who think disciplining their kids is talking sternly.

Or that they don't want their kid to be the loser without the latest phone or tennis shoes. They NEED them. waaaaah.

Goodness forbid taking their cell phones away or their computer privileged or the TV or X-box out of their room. Or (horrors!) grounding them. Hauling them to a food pantry to help people who really do have it hard. or (and yes we did this one) take them to the AmVets to work in back sorting the stuff people donate for the thrift store. We were having a little bit of an attitude problem. The guys working with us had been through their job program and had lived some really hard lives. I think son1 & son2 came back changed. I know I did.) Or revoke driving privileges or make them sort socks and put them away!


son1 was just got his computer privvies restored: a computer he bought with money he earned shoveling snow last winter and mowing this spring plus his birthday money for the past 2 years. Yep, it's his. And yep, we took it away. Our internet, our electric. All he had to do was talk to his teacher about a grade. Two fold lesson: 1) he earned a better grade, so get it fixed. 2) he handled it himself

He's applied for 9 jobs since he turned 16 in July. He wore dockers and a shirt with a collar and a belt. He had a pen in his pocket. After the first app, he also had a list of references with addresses and phone numbers. No job yet, but it hasn't been because he didn't take it seriously.

Hey, I know they're only kids for a short time, but parents could at least give them reasonable chores and do the hard work of making sure the kid knows every action has a consequence. Some good,some bad. You chose to bring them into this world. Follow through for goodness sake or the world will do it for you. The world can be a hard cold place.


*climbs down off soap box*
 

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My family struggles a bit to get by.We manage but theres not alot for extras.My 14yr old son does dog sitting-waliking,and some lawn care.Its mostly on the weekends.He is a good student and a good,responsible person that people trust and like.I dont think theres anything wrong with teaching young people the value of a dollar.It makes them think before they ask for overpriced things and it makes them thankful when they recieve something.You dont see that with alot of kids today,they expect expensive games and phones and get angry when the parents dont give it to them.
 
Actually I agree with both of you. I know a ton of parents who think disciplining their kids is talking sternly.

Or that they don't want their kid to be the loser without the latest phone or tennis shoes. They NEED them. waaaaah.

Goodness forbid taking their cell phones away or their computer privileged or the TV or X-box out of their room. Or (horrors!) grounding them. Hauling them to a food pantry to help people who really do have it hard. or (and yes we did this one) take them to the AmVets to work in back sorting the stuff people donate for the thrift store. We were having a little bit of an attitude problem. The guys working with us had been through their job program and had lived some really hard lives. I think son1 & son2 came back changed. I know I did.) Or revoke driving privileges or make them sort socks and put them away!


son1 was just got his computer privvies restored: a computer he bought with money he earned shoveling snow last winter and mowing this spring plus his birthday money for the past 2 years. Yep, it's his. And yep, we took it away. Our internet, our electric. All he had to do was talk to his teacher about a grade. Two fold lesson: 1) he earned a better grade, so get it fixed. 2) he handled it himself

He's applied for 9 jobs since he turned 16 in July. He wore dockers and a shirt with a collar and a belt. He had a pen in his pocket. After the first app, he also had a list of references with addresses and phone numbers. No job yet, but it hasn't been because he didn't take it seriously.

Hey, I know they're only kids for a short time, but parents could at least give them reasonable chores and do the hard work of making sure the kid knows every action has a consequence. Some good,some bad. You chose to bring them into this world. Follow through for goodness sake or the world will do it for you. The world can be a hard cold place.


*climbs down off soap box*

wow.. u want a DS #4.......... i am a horrible parent.. cant stand to see my kid cry... I am sending him ur way :)
 

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mandatory military service?

I appreciate our volunteer Service. I'm not sure how I'd feel knowing that not all of those serving wanted to be involved in Service. The majority of those serving right now are NOT idiots. They are bright and looking for opportunities. Some do it for love of Country. Others for the GI Bill or the opportunity to learn a trade or seek discipline. A draft type program...ehhh, can't say I'm in favor. I don't think it's right to require someone to put their life on the line.

And they sure as hell had better do something to fix the mental health programs and the family support programs before they throw those doors wide open to a mandatory program. They can't handle those programs for a volunteer military! Can you imagine the mess when you include families and personal who wanted nothing to do with Serving our country? ((shudder))
 

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I'm a pretty bad parent compared to Dark too.

My kids only two and I've already started the vicious circle.

Him: Cookie?
Me: Eat your food.
Him: Cookie?
Me: No.
Him: Cooooooookieeee??! *pout face*
Me: No. Eat your food. Then cookie.
Him: COOKIE COOKIE COOKIE *CRY*
Me: Please don't cry!! Here's a cookie!!
 
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