"clearomizer" round up for 808s...

[Charlz]

Always chasing that dragon, skelley. It's what we all do.
The echos are the only thing that has held for me. Imagine my disappointment when they went through a rough patch. But they seem to have sorted out the issues. I had lost faith in everything there for awhile.

The ce2/turbo I have now it the bees knees. The xls fit perfectly inside a turbo shell with the cup hitting the top of the turbo shell. Some playing around needs to be done to find the right grommet for a bottom seal as these have odd dimensions.
All the flavor of a ce2 and all the looks of a turbo. Holds just over 2mls of juice which is a big difference over the 1.6 to 1.7 that the turbos can hold without overwicking. The only downfall is that it's much harder to rebuild a ce2 than a turbo so you need to start with ce2s that work well.

 

[Grantah]

I'm glad that someone else has had the CE2 coils Burn out/pop. I was in a hurry the other day and needed to clean up my CE2 coils, I got a little carried away with the dry burning and it didn't take long before my Clearomizer coil wouldn't lite up anymore. Then to top it off I did the same thing with another one. Lesson learned, make sure u let the coil rest for a few sec between burns or it might be the last one.
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[Charlz]

On older coils I make sure I'm using a battery that isn't higher than 3.7v for dry burns. Sometimes I'll even use my rusty/dusty egos. Nice to give them a purpose and they have a 5 sec cutoff keeping me from being too aggressive.

 

[McDougal]

Forget the CE2. Smokeless Image now has what appears to be a tank/clearo combo. They run 2.6-2.9 ohm.

 

[skelley]

McDougal, those are what we are calling iTurbos/Stardust or CE4+'s.
The wife loves them & I don't. She has the older versions with the metal 'tophat' and newer ones with the metal 'cone'.
Do you know which type/revisions these are?
She really doesn't notice a difference between them.

Edit: In the 510 connection world, they are referred to as Ego Clearo's also.

 

[Mookie]

Well, that's sort of my point, Mookie. It's a snowball of hype largely due to the way it looks. When they first came out, it was form way way over function. That gap has slowly closed. And there are some good ones out there. They don't hold what they claim but clearos rarely do, and without modding the turbos, most of them fall flat. There are a few out there that have taken our mods to heart and used what we did to make them work out of the package. But not for 808 yet....in a month or two these will be worth buying and not having to mod.

Every once in awhile, hardware comes out that has everyone parading it around like the emperors new clothes.

What is coming out in a month or two?

I've noticed something else that perplexes me. I was mainly using an Echo auto with the ITurbo when I got the muted flavor.

Today I did a side-by-side comparison of the Echo auto with a ITurbo against the Riva with both a Vision 2.8 ohm clearo and a Vision Ego LR clearo. I find that the Visions both give a little better/stronger flavor on the Riva than the ITurbo does on the Echo. But they all still fall short for scores in both flavor and th. Could a difference in battery voltage and/or manual vs auto be a factor?

I also noticed that I get a headache and/or sore throat when using the Riva with LR for a long time. I think I've only used std res with the Echo battery and never got a sore throat. Again, could this be caused by a battery difference?

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Yes mookie, I'd say so. Except its not so much a battery difference as it is a wattage difference.

You're comparing a regulated 3.7 volts + 2.7 ohms in the echo scenario (lower wattage)

to a 3.7 unregulated (really 4.2 volts off the charger) + 2.1-.2.4 ohm scenario (higher wattage) on the Riva

the latter should give more heat, more TH, more pronounced main notes (but subdued subtle notes), and more sore throat

I think the plastics that go into these things play a role. Some people get a taste from different gear, fluxos, visions, stardusts, etc. Your buds may just be sensitive to/not like the stardust tube. I wouldn't fight it, just go with what works for you!

EDIT: For example, as much as I swear by fluxomizers, I get an even more pure taste when I throw one in my syringe tank and ditch the majority of the fluxomizer shell.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

And try this Mookie, if you like

Take your echo/Iturbo combo

get rid of the tophat/silicone seal, and get rid of the drip tip. now vape it with your lips directly on the metal, or shove a volt/halo cartomizer plug into it. did the flavor change?

 

[skelley]

Chasing that dragon is a perfect descriptor.
I have both steel & clear CE2's, for some reason I never reach for the steel ones. Maybe it's the thought of not knowing how much juice is left and they are also harder to disassemble for cleaning.

I purchased some standard length CE2's by accident so I plan on using them in my 3ml Mom&Pop tanks.
I've already fit it into the tank as is and now I just need to drill a few holes into the CE2 shell and I'm in business.

Always chasing that dragon, skelley. It's what we all do.
The echos are the only thing that has held for me. Imagine my disappointment when they went through a rough patch. But they seem to have sorted out the issues. I had lost faith in everything there for awhile.

The ce2/turbo I have now it the bees knees. The xls fit perfectly inside a turbo shell with the cup hitting the top of the turbo shell. Some playing around needs to be done to find the right grommet for a bottom seal as these have odd dimensions.
All the flavor of a ce2 and all the looks of a turbo. Holds just over 2mls of juice which is a big difference over the 1.6 to 1.7 that the turbos can hold without overwicking. The only downfall is that it's much harder to rebuild a ce2 than a turbo so you need to start with ce2s that work well.

 

[skelley]

I also just experienced my first leak with the CE3's.
They were "almost" empty, so I figured I would fill them before going out.
I inverted them as I always have, but noticed that some juice stayed up around the wicks. I filled them and tested...juice everywhere. I figured the air in the tube needed to vent out and remembering that there was juice stuck around the wicking area, I figured I would try a different approach.
I inverted to fill; shook the extra juice down; vaped it inverted to get most of the juice out of the wicks and surrounding area. (I think upon filling that the air pushed the juice around the wick area out and this was the root cause)
Once the wicks and surrounding area were mostly dry, I left it inverted and filled, Eureka!
There was a 'slight' gurgle for the first 2-3 hits, but then it went back to performing as it should.

Food for thought ;-)

 

[skelley]

Ok, I drilled holes in the CE2 clearo and inserted into a mini sub, total mod & assembly time approx. 15min.
Filled with 2mls for testing (left 1ml of space for now), 1ml vaped and all is good so far....time will tell

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I need to build a new tank, but have to wait for the gf to leave before I do or I'll get yelled at lol

 

[skelley]

Cyrus are you spending to much time with your vape gear

I need to build a new tank, but have to wait for the gf to leave before I do or I'll get yelled at lol

The CE2 tanks works well, the juice gets thicker & darker which is standard for top coil designs.
I need to find a CE3 regular (not XL) for my next tank. The juice seems more consistent with bottom coils and going shorter may help with making a warmer vape also. I have yet to see a standard CE3 with the latest revisions. Keeping my eye open though.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Issue I'm having with both tanks I've made is the fluxomizer is thicker than a standard carto used to make the punch, so its a REAL PITA to get it in there without pushing the seals up/down into the tank at the same time. Its takes like 10 minutes of gentle convincing with a pair of needle nose pliers, cursing and crying lol

 

[Voltron]

So I decided to order the Volt CE4's. With the 20% discount applied and including shipping, they cost me exactly $6 a pop for 5. Is there a significantly better deal out there for the same product?

I'm pretty anxious to try them, as these will be my first clearos ever.

 

[CloveHunter]

So I decided to order the Volt CE4's. With the 20% discount applied and including shipping, they cost me exactly $6 a pop for 5. Is there a significantly better deal out there for the same product?

Is it for Volt X2? The only place I'm aware of is Nhaler (the one with 808 thread+skirt), it was called iGo Crystal Cartomizers there - iGo Crystal Cartomizers and it's $5/piece and available in clear color only.

Other choice will be using Echo version + reversed cone (Ego cone type-B - the straight one) to hide the thread. That you could get it at almost every vendor that sell Echo: NWVapors, The Vapor Girl, Mtnvapor, Nhaler and maybe others I'm not aware of - price around $6-$8/piece

 

[Voltron]

Is it for Volt X2? The only place I'm aware of is Nhaler (the one with 808 thread+skirt), it was called iGo Crystal Cartomizers there - iGo Crystal Cartomizers and it's $5/piece and available in clear color only.

Other choice will be using Echo version + reversed cone (Ego cone type-B - the straight one) to hide the thread. That you could get it at almost every vendor that sell Echo: NWVapors, The Vapor Girl, Mtnvapor, Nhaler and maybe others I'm not aware of - price around $6-$8/piece

Thanks a lot for all the info CloveHunter. I plan on using them on the regular Volt batteries, as I haven't gotten a fatty yet. I read they will work on them just fine, but will just look weird.

It's good to know Nhaler carries the same ones and cheaper. If I like them, which I'm sure I will, it's good to have alternatives. I think if you take into consideration the discount on the Volt ones, they really aren't that much more expensive than Nhaler's. At least now I know I wasn't raped on my last purchase

 

[Charlz]

Both Nhaler and SI have good prices for the hardware but the batteries are pricey. Nhaler's prices on batteries and starter kits are a little ridiculous.

 

[Mookie]

I'm back.......with more noob ?'s....:

@charlz - still curious about what you were talking about when you said there is something new coming out in a month or two?

@ cyrus - cracked up about the remark of your gf yelling at you. my husband has never been a smoker and is constantly annoyed at how much time (and money) I'm spending on vaping stuff. I have to hide it half the time now because I just don't want to hear it! But between the constant searching for the correct equipment and good juice I'm on the computer all the time. I just always feel on the verge of giving up (and either screaming or crying) because nothing is working great so I'm still fighting the analog cravings.

Not sure what you meant about tophat/silicone seal cuz if it requires pliers I'm sure I'd just ruin it. Removing the drip tip did seem to give improved flavor (or is that just my imagination?) but then I get a mouth full of juice if tipped too much.

Tried a GE4 (looks more like a fluxo not like a ITurbo). Slightly improved flavor but leaks occasionally.
I want to try fluxomizers but they are always out of stock.

Tried 2.5ohm and 3.0 ohm carto on KGO - didn't hurt throat as much but get a burnt taste very quickly. I definitely saturated the cartos so underfilling is not the issue. The first time on a boge 3.0ohm when I got the burnt taste I could believe it was low because I had only been vaping on it about 5 minutes. So I took a few more tokes and fried the carto.

I find the Echo with emdcc works the best I just would like more options for both my Echo 808 and Kgo 510. I also have an IPro which works very good with tanks it's just too big to use out of the house. And my husband and kids laugh at me when I use it making me feel more like a drug addict than when I smoked analogs Plus I really prefer smaller and simplicity.

I understand it's ultimately about the wattage but it seems I can't get the right combo of equipment right no matter what I try and am even more confused now. I would have thought higher ohm cartos would have lessened the sore throat but don't understand why they taste burnt and horrid after the first few hits. Should I try ce2, ultimate ce2, ce3, different cartos? I do have a mom and pop tank I haven't tried yet. Should I just stop whining and shut up or should I just accept that after trying for 5 months that nothing is going to satisfy me and give up on vaping?

And let's not even get into the even more elusive search for juice!!!

 

[Charlz]

every one has a sweet spot for wattage. Mine is 5-6watts with the occasional need for a good kick in the crotch and I have a kgo for that with some lr attys. If you find a combo you like, plug the voltage of the battery and the ohms of the carto in here for your results. Electrical & Electronics, Ohm's Law, Formulas & Equations There are always variables involved like boge cartos can produce a burnt taste but horizontal cartos don't like high wattage.

Something new is always coming around the corner. If vapers were ever truly satisfied, there would be no need. We are all chasing the perfect vape. When we find it, we find we still want to tweek it because we have been chasing it for so long we can't STOP!