Clone Versus Authentic Discussion
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steve - When you actually buy the Kayfuns you use, then you'll actually have a leg to stand on. It's very easy to be high and mighty about only using authentic attys when you didn't have to pay for yours.
I don't know about mod makers. Guitar makers have, little by little, moved to China, too. Epiphone, which has been owned by Gibson for some time. They first had them made in Japan, and they were excellent guitars and are still highly sought after. Then they went to S. Korea, and they were still pretty good guitars. Now they're made in China, and you can tell. Although I'm pretty sure Gibson still retains the name and profits.
According to some here, that just can't be..... We all just want to pretend we have something we don't.
Correct me if I am wrong. Didn't you say you owned a Hana DNA 30? When pressed to post the picture you posted a Hana clone with a fake serial number on it. You most certainly prevented you owned something you didn't.
This happened with hi fi loudspeakers around 10-15 years ago. Quad, and I'm sure a lot of other brands by now, moved production out of the UK and into Shenzen. More profit for the maker. I'm against it. If you're moving production so you can sell me quality product at a lower price fine, but if you moved production to put more money into your pocket I am not going to subsidize your taking jobs away from families for the sake of profit and will gladly spend more elsewhere to support my principles.
Yeah, the quality definitely went down on those guitars. Its been a very long time since they were made in the US. The high end Gibsons still are. Even the Japanese made ones are collector's items now.
I do have you guys to thank though as I found a new, affordable authentic atty while I was chasing k 4 pics . Not sold in the US for some reason, but there are places that will ship to me.
. Not sold in the US for some reason, but there are places that will ship to me.
You are totally way off base about generic medications. Before a medication can be made as a generic the patent on the brand name has to run out. Lipitor is a prime example as it's generic is Clopidogrel. It's a substitute for Lipitor. It certainly was not available when Lipitor hit the market. No company would attempt to copy it as we do have rules for R&D companies in this country. If that was not the case no drug company would spend billions of dollars on drugs which can be copied the next day. I was on Lipitor for 5 years and received Lipitor only, now they fill the prescription with Clopidogrel. Pfizer would be out of business if clones were allowed and we wouldn't live as long.
Logos aside, (no one likes them), I see no difference between generics of vape equipment and generics of medicines. Medicines say right on the bottle that they are equivalent to another product. Vape equipment does the same by appearance. Does anyone have a rebuttal to my observation?
The difference is that there are no or few patents here. Most couldn't be patented because they are copies of earlier versions of equipment. And those similarities go back to what was first made in China. It's a chicken and egg thing.
Also, I think people would get really angry if there was a major innovation and a company used a patent to keep it away from the public, charging exorbitant prices and only making a small number available.
The difference is that there are no or few patents here. Most couldn't be patented because they are copies of earlier versions of equipment. And those similarities go back to what was first made in China. It's a chicken and egg thing.
Also, I think people would get really angry if there was a major innovation and a company used a patent to keep it away from the public, charging exorbitant prices and only making a small number available.
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Cloud forget what Ernie says as he has no facts to prove his dream of where steel comes from. He must be thinking that Germany was banned from producing steel after world war II. German steel is the backbone of the German economy, and the largest producer of steel in the EU.
The U.S. Gave Asia steel technology after WWII. It was the newest technology and was not being implemented in the U.S. Because the American companies refused to throw away their existing technology and infrastructure to build new factories. Shortly thereafter, Asian factories began making the best and most cost effective steel in the world, and still do. U.S. Steel, Bethlehem Steel are gone. Simple facts, undeniable, do your homework.
The only steel made in America and Europe are specialty steels. Vape equipment is not made with specialty steels; fact, undeniable, they are all basic stainless steel, the same stainless steel. Do your homework.
I dont believe that this forum wants us to miss lead people who are seeking information. Forums allow for people who know what they are talking about to chime in. It bothers me when someone claims to be the expert on everything.
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No you can't take a V2 and upgrade it to a V3. You could have sent in your V2 and upgraded to the 2.5. They are in business to make money so why would they continue to upgrade previous versions? If you look at that the 2.5 and P3 you can see it can't be changed. I never said Provape was the only one I was asked which company has safety instructions on using their mod and battery safety as well. I can only speak for Provape.
As far as the other poster who said he had a broken lens and wanted a replacement sent to him is silly. The warranty doesn't cover user abuse and how he intended to remove the screws and chip to replace the lens seems odd. Also odd is his 6 week wait as I know 2 weeks is top for sending a Provari in and receiving it back fixed and cleaned.
You are the clone expert. I want to purchase a Kayfun Lite clone. The best clone for the best price. I'll be honest about why as I want to take it apart and sand down the chimney on it to see if it is brass underneath or SS. I know the Nautilus chimney was advertised as SS and in actuality it was brass and coated with whatever to look like SS. I'll put it together, vape it, and then sand it down.
I'm not a clone expert. I do a lot of research on what I want and find the best of what I want, I buy it. With a Kayfun Lite clone I could not be helpful with that. They are old news and I have no information about who has any good deals or quality ones out there. Sorry
Keep us informed with your quest.
The mod was 3 weeks old,had not even been dropped yet.
To remove the chip is simple,the 510 on the 2.5 is press fit; and the board is attached. Removing it is simple, I know several owners that have had the 510 come loose actually so I don't see how that would be 'Silly '
It's 4 torque screws, the assembly comes out, new cover slides in, the assembly goes back....sounds simple not silly.
And it took two Weeks AFTER they received it to answer the emails sent inquiring on the status of the mod.
I guess that's why there was no phone support.
As to someone saying I was crying . That's so far from the truth. I'm just stating my personal experience with them as a one time customer. I'm sort of grateful for their maltreatment of me; however, since it forced me to look at other equipment and branch into other styles of vaping. Provape treating me like left over bologna was great for me as far as vaping goes.
Did they ever get phones?
What is Stain Silver???????
Edit 2 screws not 4. Sorry but its been months since the mod has been out of the box.
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I suppose that depends on one's definition of "specialty", "basic" and "same".
Speaking just for the K4, the auth is made from 316, and I've seen clones advertising themselves as 304.
I will correct you. I've never presented a clone as an authentic.
Edit: In fact, it was me that was showing someone how to tell their mod WAS a clone, based on similarities to my clone, and how those are different then the authentic, so...yeah
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Yes, I know. There is that difference about whether the item is patented or not. I agree with you on that. Vape gear largely isn't due to time.
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