Cloud chasing turning into a four letter word?

[k702]

For my money the term just sounds.. dumb I think is the word I'm looking for. I for one would like to know who coined the term, when, why...

The actual event of setting up an atty and mod to put out nice big plumes of vapor isn't that bad really. I don't think it's something that belongs in a lot of places. It just seems rude to me to force that on other people. There is a fine line between exercising your own rights and impeding on another person's.


What scares me is the number of people that get into it because they think it looks cool (most of it seems more psychological, catchy terms and phrases and a hobby that attracted a current "trend setting" group - hipsters - will attract a lot of people who just want to fit in.) and don't take the time or have the inclination to actually understand what they're doing first. If every vaper who wandered into a vape shop, got a setup and noticed a "cloud chasing competition" flyer hanging on the wall took the time to learn about and familiarize themselves with ohm's law and battery safety, the need for good venting, checking for shorts, in general the idea of sub ohm vaping then it would be one thing. But humans in general are just not that brainy, and a ton of them end up doing things that are just plain dangerous. That gives the "cloud chasers" a worse name than the entirely odd name cloud chaser.

 

[TomGeorge]

how many ego users check to see that their threads are clean before attaching it to a charger without being told, how many know which DC converter to use without being told, how many know not to leave it charging unattended without being told?? My guess would be not many to none. Drawing the line at "cloud chasers" and "sub ohmers" is foolish, and thinking that they are the only ones, or that most of them don't know safety principals is also foolish.

 

[DC2]

Would it be an issue if they blew big clouds walking down a street?

I'm not sure that I know what I think anymore... and I'm not really sure ANY of it matters now anyway.
The ANTZ are and the mass media are beating the living crap out of us.

 

[TomGeorge]

I'm not sure that I know what I think anymore... and I'm not really sure ANY of it matters now anyway.
The ANTZ are and the mass media are beating the living crap out of us.

Unfortunately I think you are right. The media has shifted from a place to get the news, to a place who's only objective is to influence the way you think about something to a certain way that the news outlet dictates.

 

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

My only concern is one of timing.

The FDA regulations (and those in support) are written from the perspective of "prevention" using the tried and true "attractiveness to youth" argument.
The vaping community argues from the standpoint of "harm reduction" for smokers.

I ask a simple question:
Which side can most effectively use videos of cloud chasing competitions, guys with rags around their mods, and explosions of devices at public events to bolster their point of view?

We've been living in a wonderful period of unregulated bliss---but it is not reality.

We lose this argument and the fun debate about cloud chasing--either for our own pleasure or for glory---ends.
Smoking cigarettes was never considered a sport.
We may have gotten the cart way before the horse.

 

[InTheShade]

In the shade, I hear what you're saying...but its equally annoying to hear so many people claim that people cloud chasing in public will ruin vaping when it seems nobody can do anything more than ASSUME its happening.

Agreed sir.

 

[WillyZee]

Funny how you don't see folks trying to sky dive without proper knowledge of how the parachute works safely.


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[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

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In the shade, I hear what you're saying...but its equally annoying to hear so many people claim that people cloud chasing in public will ruin vaping when it seems nobody can do anything more than ASSUME its happening.

Apparently becoming a common assumption:
http://www.newsweek.com/veteran-e-cigarette-users-fret-cloud-chasers-give-them-bad-name-238978

But the good news is we may be on the cusp of a new professional sport or (dare to dream) Olympic event:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/05/cloud-chasing-vaping-competition_n_5652528.html

Before I was just a wheezing, phlegm spewing smoker, today I am an ATHLETE.
Watch for me on the Wheaties box.

 

[DC2]

Would it be an issue if they blew big clouds walking down a street?

I'm not sure that I know what I think anymore... and I'm not really sure ANY of it matters now anyway.
The ANTZ are and the mass media are beating the living crap out of us.

Actually, I have thought it through a bit more, and I think I can answer your question better now...

I am not happy about people blowing clouds in public because I think it will speed up the laws to ban vaping in public.
Both because of the dangers, and because the very sight of it offends the senses of the ANTZ.

But I am also not happy BLAMING those people for blowing clouds in public, because it's not their fault.

Such cloud blowers are providing more fodder for the ANTZ to use against us.
But the blame should be put on the ANTZ, and those lawmakers that pass vaping bans to appease those ANTZ.

So my idealistic side says blow your clouds all over the place as long not as you are not being inconsiderate.
That is the view that makes me feel like I'm doing what is right.

But my practical side knows that it's going to hurt our cause because we will have a very hard time fighting those that want to shut us down.
They have far too much money and far too much power.

My idealistic side hates my practical side, and that is where I get all messed up inside.

 

[DC2]

n

Apparently becoming a common assumption:
http://www.newsweek.com/veteran-e-cigarette-users-fret-cloud-chasers-give-them-bad-name-238978

But the good news is we may be on the cusp of a new professional sport or (dare to dream) Olympic event:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/05/cloud-chasing-vaping-competition_n_5652528.html

Before I was just a wheezing, phlegm spewing smoker, today I am an ATHLETE.
Watch for me on the Wheaties box.

Wow, nice finds there.

Talk about timely!

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Actually, I have thought it through a bit more, and I think I can answer your question better now...

I am not happy about people blowing clouds in public because I think it will speed up the laws to ban vaping in public.
Both because of the dangers, and because the very sight of it offends the senses of the ANTZ.

But I am also not happy BLAMING those people for blowing clouds in public, because it's not their fault.

Such cloud blowers are providing more fodder for the ANTZ to use against us.
But the blame should be put on the ANTZ, and those lawmakers that pass vaping bans to appease those ANTZ.

So my idealistic side says blow your clouds all over the place as long not as you are not being inconsiderate.
That is the view that makes me feel like I'm doing what is right.

But my practical side knows that it's going to hurt our cause because we will have a very hard time fighting those that want to shut us down.
They have far too much money and far too much power.

My idealistic side hates my practical side, and that is where I get all messed up inside.

Perfectly stated! Two thumbs up from me!

 

[SaintDynamicz]

I have small devices, I have medium sized devices, big and huge devices all used in different places at different times...

Will I take my mech mods and RDA's out when i'm driving and hanging out with friends? Probably not unless I'm meeting up with my friends that I do that with. If I'm going out to eat or just the store or really anywhere public, I'll bring my little eGo-C with an Aerotank Mini.
If I am going to meet up with my friends I'll probably grab a few of my mechs and RDA's to have some fun cloud chasing with my friends. Different places call for different equipment.

Some people who start blowing insanely huge clouds in public are really annoying and do not understand that everything has a time and a place ("Oaks words echoed")

 

[minimalsaint]

I can't be the only one wondering what the "4 letter word" is?!?

 

[Moaufan]

Just last night we were at the movies and I have always sat on the back row. I stealth vape when there and have seen a few others doing the same. I've never had a problem. About 15 minutes in, a group of young adults 8 rows down fired up the drippers and let them rip. Thought to self, WTH? Really? They were asked by a couple in front of them to please stop. It blew up from there. Security came and escorted the very loud and dirty talking vapors to the exit. Everybody in the theater was given a free movie pass for the disruption. There is a time and place for everything and this wasn't it for clouds.

 

[Peter_C]

Seems to me a lot of vapers like to look down on cloud chasers like non smokers do to smokers. And there's not really any good reason to. Seems like it's mostly "Damn kids these days!!" stuff. Cloud chasers could make fun of flavor chasers with many of the same arguments. You don't need a strawberry and cream flavor to get your nicotine fix, do you? And all these flavors make vapers look bad in the media!! (Sarcasm...)

Reckless, inconsiderate vapers make us look bad, period. It doesn't matter if they are using an ego or a 26550 mech with a 0.15 ohm coil on it. For example, someone using an ego battery in a restaurant and refusing to stop when asked vs. me blowing clouds on my own property and not bothering anyone. Really which is worse?

For the record, I started vaping to stop smoking. I'm not into super sub ohm (lower than .25 imo) cloud chasing. It's too hot and too much of a hassle, re dripping every 2-3 hits and I'm not comfortable pushing batteries that hard. My main vapes are protanks and a kfl, usually around 8 watts. But... I do enjoy a cloud once in a while, and I've done the research to do it safely, I'm considerate about when and where I do it, so what's the problem?

Yes... there are some idiots in the cloud chasing subculture. Those that run ridiculous, unsafe builds on batteries that can't handle it. And people who treat it like some kind of .... measuring contest. But those people are everywhere. So.. chill out. Live and let live?

One point that you touched on?

A cloud-chaser in public can annoy (rightly or wrongly) a lot of people. A "flavor-chaser" out and public usually doesn't bother anyone - off the cuff thinking right after reading your post.

I see nothing wrong with cloud-chasing. That isn't my thing at all, but to each their own. The problem lies with the idiots doing it out in public where all the ANTZ are.

 

[Jman8]

My non-cloud chasing, and enjoying flavor chasing self agrees that flavor chasing is more a detriment to vaping community than cloud chasing.

As I intend to continue flavor chasing and fighting the good fight, I feel very okay co-existing with cloud chasers.


The problem lies with ANTZ and those who uphold ANTZ logic.

 

[Asbestos4004]

My non-cloud chasing, and enjoying flavor chasing self agrees that flavor chasing is more a detriment to vaping community than cloud chasing.

As I intend to continue flavor chasing and fighting the good fight, I feel very okay co-existing with cloud chasers.


The problem lies with ANTZ and those who uphold ANTZ logic.

I don't think ANY vapers are a detriment to the vaping community except for the select few that think they have found the "right" way to vape and decide to point fingers and whine about everybody else. It's insane.

 

[Baditude]

Bottom line:

Be cognizant of your surroundings where you vape, and be respectful to others in your presence.

It's acceptable to blow clouds outdoors where allowed. It's ok to blow clouds in vape shops, its even encouraged.

It's not acceptable to blow clouds indoors, especially not in general public facilities with large groups of people who will not take kindly to your actions. No one wants to have their dining or movie experience ruined by vapor clouds. Use some common sense.

If in a restaurant, I ask if vaping is allowed. If not, I go where the smokers are allowed (usually outside). I admit that I stealth vape at the movies, but I sit in the back row away from others, wait until the lights are out, and do double inhales to eliminate any vapor production seen. What others don't see is nobody's business because I'm not drawing attention to myself. It's called respect and common courtesy

Again, be respectful of others.

 

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

I don't think ANY vapers are a detriment to the vaping community except for the select few that think they have found the "right" way to vape and decide to point fingers and whine about everybody else. It's insane.

And this whining will be a whisper in the wind, compared to that that occurs when the regs are pub'd.

 

[Stosh]

Bottom line:

Be cognizant of your surroundings where you vape, and be respectful to others in your presence.

It's acceptable to blow clouds outdoors where allowed. It's ok to blow clouds in vape shops, its even encouraged......
Again, be respectful of others.

I would wonder what effect it might have on a noob just looking to quit cigarettes, unfamiliar with the range of choices. Might not be the best first impression of vaping.