Cold maceration of tobacco

[Bunnykiller]

I tried a batch of Celestial Seasons Raspberry tea in VG once.... did a warm extract of 6 bags in 2 oz. of VG at 150F for about an hour. The arouma was very strong raspberry and "tea" ( which translated into tannins when vaped). As far as tasting a drop on the thumb, very raspberry top end, alot like sugar free raspberry jelly. Its been about 3 months maybe since Ive made this and the tannins have dropped out considerably leaving primarily the raspberry flavor. I have since been using this as a flavor booster for other NETS... One that came out very nice was the McClellands 3 Cherry with a touch of the rapberry in it....

I have considered trying to do a Ginger tea extract just to find out how it would turn out.... ( think Ill hunt down some today and try it)

 

[billherbst]

I have considered trying to do a Ginger tea extract just to find out how it would turn out.... ( think Ill hunt down some today and try it)

Bunny,

A ginger tea extract sounds delightful

 

[JAWS]

I would like to Thank everyone for all the information supplied on filtering and storing my extracts. Filters and more bottles ordered today and more tobacco in cart at P&C. Thanks again y'all!!


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[Smocian257]

So perusing through the thread I see that we haven't got any definitive "this way is better than the other" as far as which base to use, which ratio , and so on

but how long is too long to let it sit? how short is too short?

I'm reading about green slug and chlorophyll taste...

 

[billherbst]

So perusing through the thread I see that we haven't got any definitive "this way is better than the other" as far as which base to use, which ratio , and so on, but how long is too long to let it sit? how short is too short?

That's right. There are no definitive, pre-packaged, easy answers. You can read the threads to see what others are trying, but experience is the only real teacher to tell you what works (for you) and what doesn't.

 

[Ian444]

So perusing through the thread I see that we haven't got any definitive "this way is better than the other" as far as which base to use, which ratio , and so on

but how long is too long to let it sit? how short is too short?

I'm reading about green slug and chlorophyll taste...

Your answers are in the very first post of this thread. Nothing much has changed since then, it is still extremely valid, unless of course, you have to invent some kind of new wheel, which most of us do, but not to any particular advantage

 

[PaulBHC]

I have only done room temp extraction with straight pg or vg and only a few times. 3 weeks seemed enough to me with pg but I think the vg (only tried once) could have benefited from another week. Another week for the pg would not have hurt anything and might make them better. I just didn't have the patience. My room temp in summer is around 80f.

I costs less than a bottle of store bought juice or a pack of smokes to make a 4 ounce batch so even if you toss it out you are not out much money.

 

[Nick N]

Bill, do you see a clear advantage between gravity filtering using a 5 micron paper filter vs your press + 5 micron polyester felt method for the first stage of filtering? I am debating whether I need to do that or just get some filter paper.

Also, was there a clear difference (taste, less gunk, etc) when doing the additional filtering with the 2.5 paper? There must have been something positive for adding the additional step.

I have a gallon of PG and VG arriving today, my first go at this will be with PG and "Good Stuff" menthol pipe cut cigarette tobacco.

 

[johni]

Bill, do you see a clear advantage between gravity filtering using a 5 micron paper filter vs your press + 5 micron polyester felt method for the first stage of filtering? I am debating whether I need to do that or just get some filter paper.

Also, was there a clear difference (taste, less gunk, etc) when doing the additional filtering with the 2.5 paper? There must have been something positive for adding the additional step.

I have a gallon of PG and VG arriving today, my first go at this will be with PG and "Good Stuff" menthol pipe cut cigarette tobacco.

The 2.5 micron paper does help reduce particulates and coil gunking. Since the original post, I have dropped the coffee filters and 11 micron paper filters. I use a mesh strainer to remove bulk tobacco, then 6 micron paper, then 2.5 micron, all powered by gravity. This process provides for juice that is as clean as most vendor NETs.

There is no right or wrong way here. Experimentation and discussion are how we move forward.

 

[Soignee]

The 2.5 micron paper does help reduce particulates and coil gunking. Since the original post, I have dropped the coffee filters and 11 micron paper filters. I use a mesh strainer to remove bulk tobacco, then 6 micron paper, then 2.5 micron, all powered by gravity. This process provides for juice that is as clean as most vendor NETs.

There is no right or wrong way here. Experimentation and discussion are how we move forward.

I'm getting ready to start experimenting with nets and gathering equipment. Are you using a Büchner funnel for the gravity feed or just regular funnel and making a cone from the filter paper? Tia


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[papabogart]

I'm getting ready to start experimenting with nets and gathering equipment. Are you using a Büchner funnel for the gravity feed or just regular funnel and making a cone from the filter paper? Tia


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Unless you are going to use vacuum, a Büchner funnel is not advisable as without vacuum to hold it down, extract can seep underneath the filter and not be filtered.

 

[usr/]

I've been using one of these.

Primary filter with paper coffee filter, then Ahlstrom 2.5 micron x 15cm dia. filter. Works great and makes a good cup of coffee too!

 

[usr/]

I've been using one of these.

Primary filter with paper coffee filter, then Ahlstrom 2.5 micron x 15cm dia. filter. Works great and makes a good cup of coffee too!

Just to clarify: I separate extract from tobacco rough using fine nylon homebrewers grain bag, then proceed to filtering......

 

[Soignee]

Thanks ya'll. I have been eyeing these Bag Filters / Sock Filters / Water Sock Filters / WVO Filters / Oil Filters / SVO Filters - 1, 5, 10, 25, 50, 75, 100, 200 , 400, 600 Micron / Size 1, 2, or 3 Sock Filters- Utah Biodiesel Supply as a gravity filter.
As I get rolling I will post my experience. Thanks for this thread BTW!!

 

[johni]

I'm getting ready to start experimenting with nets and gathering equipment. Are you using a Büchner funnel for the gravity feed or just regular funnel and making a cone from the filter paper? Tia


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I use a regular, cheap plastic funnel to hold the filter paper which I pleat to provide the most filter surface area possible.

 

[MikeNice81]

I use a regular, cheap plastic funnel to hold the filter paper which I pleat to provide the most filter surface area possible.

Pretty much my method. I pour the extract directly on the 3 micron filter. For me a single pass works well enough. I'm not finding a need for multiple filtering levels or passes. I think anything much more complicated would probably just be playing at the margins. I don't really see a need for going 11 micron, 6 micron, 3 micron or anything like that. Vacuum filtering seems to only be necessary for those not willing to let the process play out for a few hours.

 

[Nick N]

Pretty much my method. I pour the extract directly on the 3 micron filter. For me a single pass works well enough. I'm not finding a need for multiple filtering levels or passes. I think anything much more complicated would probably just be playing at the margins. I don't really see a need for going 11 micron, 6 micron, 3 micron or anything like that. Vacuum filtering seems to only be necessary for those not willing to let the process play out for a few hours.

Can you point me to the paper you use?

 

[Soignee]

Pretty much my method. I pour the extract directly on the 3 micron filter. For me a single pass works well enough. I'm not finding a need for multiple filtering levels or passes. I think anything much more complicated would probably just be playing at the margins. I don't really see a need for going 11 micron, 6 micron, 3 micron or anything like that. Vacuum filtering seems to only be necessary for those not willing to let the process play out for a few hours.

Don't misunderstand. I'm not planning on that much filtering. That's just how ECF inserted the link. I'm thinking the 2 mu filter as the final pass after removing the big stuff. My time can be limited, so if I can hang a bag, head to work and let gravity deal with the process, so much the better for me.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[MikeNice81]

Don't misunderstand. I'm not planning on that much filtering. That's just how ECF inserted the link. I'm thinking the 2 mu filter as the final pass after removing the big stuff. My time can be limited, so if I can hang a bag, head to work and let gravity deal with the process, so much the better for me.

Sorry for the confusion.

It wasn't necessarily geared towards you. I see a lot of guys talking about doing a two or three stage filtering. I've even heard someone (not here) say they did a cheesecloth -> 15 micron -> 10 micron -> 2 micron filter process. Really? A double pass at 2 microns would probably get the same result. I can understand using a strainer to keep the leaves from falling in to the paper. Other than that I don't see any advantage of multiple levels of filtration versus a double pass at the micron level you want.

The paper I use
http://www.amazon.com/Ahlstrom-2370...r=8-1&keywords=Ahlstrom+3+micron+filter+paper

 

[Smocian257]

but in removing the chlorophyll and such haven't you simply introduced another slew of chemical reactions with the grain alcohol?