Cold step of tobacco in VG?

[aldur]

Ok, after some research extracting a Black and Mild would be a bit of a silly first extraction. I'd get the slew of chemicals I don't want. The Pipes and Cigars site has tons of information like so many have seen. I think I've settled on a Balkan blend from them. My main endeavor is to get a pipe like room note and something tastier than tfa stuff.


While I would love to use a small cheapo slow cooker, would I get the same results just putting some of the tobacco with VG in a 50ml bottle and just let it sit for a month and a half? Kids and time are my main enemies lol. If I plugged a cotton ball in my 10ml syringe would I be able to get a nearly carto friendly juice if I dedicated a few mornings to this? I am hoping to minimize any fine particles as I can.

Just curious if anyone knows how much time would yeild a good start, and how best to filter.

Thank you all, I got most of my information from Scarf-ace's thread. So much research just oozing from you folks, I am in your debt!

 

[aldur]

doing a start-off with Captain Black's Black tobacco. The tobacco smells just like what my grandfather would have smoked in his pipe so I am going to let this steep two weeks. I don't want a carto killer but I do want flavor. Using this thread to take notes as I go along.

Put five mls of vg and eighteen of pg to start with. I'll have to check on it in the morning if it needs more.

 

[aldur]

Quality is good, but as I thought I had bits floating around. When I got home lastnight I opened some much needed vape mail.

Trial #2

plugged a syringe with a cotton wad. Took the darkened extract and put about a ml in. forced it into a new bottle of 10ml size. Got nearly the same amount back. two mls of 60 mg 100% vg, filled rest with pg. Let it steep till the morning.

My fresh carto of today was filled easily. Minimal floaty bits. very clean looking, good colorization.

result? best clean taste I could ask for, plumage was acceptable. I SMILED during the vape! I enjoyed the flavor! Refilled easily without any sign of loss in performance in carto or liquid.

I will continue on, perhaps some one could suggest another tobacco to try this with.

Cold extraction works for me and cartos of 1.7 ohms single coiled using a 3.7 900MaH ego battery even in this short of time.

 

[FACE MEAT]

I extracted a fer Black and Milds a few days ago with great results.

I will continue on, perhaps some one could suggest another tobacco to try this with.

I'd suggest visiting your local tobacconist and sticking your nose in some jars. It'll end up smelling and tasting exactly as it smells in the jar.

 

[aldur]

Thanks Face. The closest I get is an Kansas City. I probably will wait on a trip like that. Definately fun though.

 

[chapeltown]

Okay. Stupid question time....

A. If you extract nic juice from commercially available sources (pipe tobacco from bags or a Humidor's jar) does it not have tar, arsenic, paint thinner and all that crap we switched to vaping to escape from???

B. How on God's green earth do you measure nic content in home steeped process's??? Is there really a way to tell, or is it guess work???

C. All the posts I have seen on this subject talk about "floaty bits". Maybe I am missing something here, but couldn't you put the tobacco in , I dunno, a tea bag orcoffee filter or something and extract without the mess???

D. Lastly, if it is safe to extract nic juice from bagged pipe tobacco, does that mean I could use this half a pound of "good stuff" light pipe tobacco from my ryo days???

Thank you for both your attention aand your patience.

 

[aldur]

A. Following Scarf-ace's thread about using a Slow Cooker, folks have used certain types of tobacco to do this with - they used a slow cooker to heat it several times. I can't do that at this time so I use cold maceration. As far as tar content and other nastiness from what I and some others understand combustion of the leaf itself is what starts a tar reaction.

B. There are testing kits available. Personally I know I enjoy 24mg eliquid, so I keep the number around that if the VG is around 70%. If more PG, as I have been using lately I will knock it down so I can enjoy this longer. I have found nearly 40% VG seems still too much. NETs are a different animal when it comes to ratios with my personal vaping habit.

C. Lots of folks have found coffee filters to be not enough. By floaty bits I meant as in specks or clumps of tobacco matter that made it past and into what would be my vaping liquid. If that sits on the coil or clogs the airway it's not good for cartomizers not to mention if that were to lift up to your lungs or mouth. So a cotton ball in a syringe has worked very well for me in this regard. I have no doubt at a even smaller scale it is still there, but I sense no difference in the vape or myself from this process at this time.

D. I'm not saying it's safe. Neither does ECF. But we do have many vendors selling NETs, and I have not heard of any ill effects of vaporizing them - or from vaporizing eliquid that has been mixed and stored correctly be it diy or the multitude of sites or places in towns that sell them.

I hope this helped I've made my own eliquid for a year and a half now, and never got a taste I liked completely as to keep using it all the time. Naturally extracted tobacco was something I wanted to certainly try, but with how little you get for how much money I wanted to see if there was a better way to lower my costs and venture out into more of a complete sense of pipe tobacco.

Next up? Going to go a Balkan route next month ^_^

 

[aldur]

Oh, there's never a stupid question. I'm glad to help, just ask away and I'll dig around for answers to them.

 

[chapeltown]

Thank you Aldur! Your post was enlightening. And I look forward to more exchanges with you in the future!

 

[aldur]

I purchased some clear tubed 1.7 ohm cartos to test with and to get a better understanding of what's going on visually. Filled one this afternoon from a 10ml bottle. In that bottle was

1/2 ml of 60mg nic 100% VG
1 ml of PG
3 ml VG/PG 40/60 flavor concentrate (Captain Black: Black Pouch)
5 1/2 ml of VG

Took awhile to fill with just dripping, didn't want to mess up the filler or the plastic wall with any of my syringes. I've also found it keeps juices from pooling with much better results.

The vape is smooth and enjoyable. Leaving this here for further results down the week. It's a fresh batch so the flavor should marry over time.

Happy Vaping

 

[chapeltown]

Very Nice Aldur, and thank you for taking the time to answer my questions so completely!

 

[aldur]

Never was a fan of incomplete questions or answers. It's like someone staring at me, just unnerving!

Yup, this stuff needs a bit more filtering. Nearly out of 15 - yes, 15 cartomizers. A box of 5 clear tubed ones was a bad choice. Now I remember why I dislike them. They get too hot and fall apart. Didn't last at all. The regular metal ones are doing better, but you get the ashy taste if I don't carefully fill and top them off.

rebuildable tank atomizer here I come.

Hearth & Home: Ten to Midnight, has been settled on as my next extract. Also going on a limb and ordering a tobacco corn cob pipe. I will be gathering parts to do a epipe conversion that will use a 18650 auto switch with ego threading. It's a delicate project so I may find a hardwood variant that can still hold the massive battery. I plan to use the same battery the eVic does. That thing has some mAh to it!

 

[Chinook]

Hi Aldur, thanks for sharing this experience with us! I have some questions for you if you don't mind.

1) How much tobacco and VG do you use initially?

2) Do you think making the tobacco into a powder in step 1) will enhance the flavor?

3) How long do you steep the initial tobacco+VG mixture?

4) It looks like you use about 10 -30 % of the tobacco into the final juice mixture, right?

5) Also, how long do you steep the final juice?

Thanks!

 

[aldur]

Chinook I really don't recall how much VG I used at first, but I did enough tobacco for maybe a bowl in a conventional pipe.

Turning it into a powder might be a bad idea. Think about how you are doing to filter that, I know with what little I personally am doing, I cringe at the thought.

I steeped that mix for about three weeks and it was great on the initial batch. Not a light color at all and fully flavored.

About 30% is about right, I am learning about 20% might be more realistic though.

I am steeping a final mix with nicotine base and all at about a week if, big if, I can stay away from it. thirty mls lasts me two weeks or maybe three, so I mix three batchs in order to get a fuller sense of the profile.

Thanks for dropping in Chinook, throw any questions or ideas you might have!

 

[Chinook]

Thank you aldur for your answers!

I see your point regarding the powdered tobacco!

In some other posts, I saw that people are using these filters as a 2nd filtration step AFTER they first filter using coffee filters or syringe+cotton ball :

Syringe Filters PTFE 25mm 0.45um 10pack: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

Have you tried this filter?

It looks like this extra filtering might make the NET juices easier on the coils.

Thanks

 

[aldur]

chinook, I have not tried the filters yet, thinking about it though.

An update and results!

Got a mini rda and 32g kanthal, wrapping coils is a pain >.< Also using cotton for this, and found it much easier to deal with then the silicia wick I had bought. Who knew? lol

Hearth and Home: Ten to Midnight - this stuff is good... reeeally good. I dig how it smells and tastes. Got a nice subtle bite to it. Will vape this nearly every day. It is rich and earthy, a good dark quality to it just like I had hoped.

Hearth and Home: Magnum Opus - My initial thoughts as I just loaded this...needs to steep more, but seems smooth. Maybe it'll round out into something more pronounced with time. Clean tasting though.

I'll have to have to get more VG and PG for sure, though I am sure I can purchase smaller bottles of nic base now. Probably switch from 100% VG to 100% PG base nic to boost flavor.

With so much tobacco in two ounce pouchs I truly don't mind at all. Let's see how long coils last

Thank you everyone with your thoughts and questions, it's helped a ton!

 

[Chinook]

aldur, nice to hear about the good results! By the way how long do you cold macerate your tobacco + PG mixture? Is it still 2 weeks total?

I'm torn between the cold maceration and this one here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ipe-tobacco-cigar-extraction.html#post9549011

According to that thread, the end results are not much different. What do you think?

 

[aldur]

Two weeks only because I can't stay out of it

Definately going to double batch from now on to get a month out of the liquids. I can finally throw in 10-15% flavor with my final mix and not have to even steep the stuff I vape.

I have read that, and sort of combined the cold macerates into that. Steep a week or two the old fashioned way then give it a good warming to accelerate the results. If using PG in any percentage that stuff gets warmer faster, so in the end it would bring out more tobacco flavor. Still not brave enough to do scarf-ace's slow cooker yet. Need a garage or dedicated area in the house to play mad scientist. Definitely going to have a lock on the door to that room, lol just like work: double lock medications. Maybe it'll motive me getting my house clean like an icf more often.

 

[Chinook]

Thanks. Good luck and have fun with the experiments

 

[aldur]

Vape mail today, and going to do a full on experiment. Wizard labs - thank you! - sent me a 3ml bottle. I will use this as a tester. I purchased:

120ml 24mg 100% pg
250ml 100% vg
250ml 100% pg

To start I have some pg in a glass measuring cup with 10 to midnight tobacco from Hearth and Home. It is sitting in a pot filled half to the glass with water to heat it.

50 ml of 100% pg to a few grams of tobacco. This particular blend is a pressed cut and rubbed out very well. It's been maybe twenty minutes in a bath. The water is set to just below simmering. It has not taken long at all to darken the liquid so far.

My first thoughts are to wait two hours and see how it tastes in a quick batch to enjoy and then just let it keep going for right now. I am going to make this with heat assisted extraction, bottle what I can and then make another batch as a cold maceration.

I am curious about if nothing else but time saved what else I might get from both. Flavor marriages, notes that stand out, things that get lost, and if there is a huge leap for myself in doing either hot or cold. My equipment setup is a 1000mah ego battery, mini rda with 32ga kanthal and cotton for wicking.

Back to the kitchen!