Yeah I watched that as well. I know that individual experiences will vary. But I just thought it was VERY strange that I am using the exact same BDC, same ohm's, same exact juice. I have a hard time believing that just drawing super hard and fast will allow you to vape THAT much higher. I'm not going to try and crank it to 4.8 and vape fast to see what happens, I'll continue to do what I'm doing. Just curious though.
Completely baffled with aspire bdc
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My problem isn't air flow, it's wicking. If I let it sit for a while it'll vape great for one or two pulls. After that it's never scratchy, but it's not fully saturated. I'll vape a couple more tanks, this time with a little water, but the aspire is not for my vape pace. I prefer the iClear 30 anytime.
I'm having the same problem. After about a half day, the 2.1 ohm coil starts to taste burnt. I can't really go above 3.7v on my MVP2.
Ya'll are just newbies, the Aspire is perfect. Especially when you clean it with bleach and take the coils apart and poke around at them, just a perfect vape. Throat hit is unreal, it's like I'm smoking a real rubber tire!
Naw, all kidding aside, what I've found out with this device (well, it's not like I didn't realize it as soon as I vaped it) that this is a hard-draw device, and with people who have hard draws, these types of draws can cover up nasty tastes like it's something unreal. Doesn't mean the bad taste isn't still there for us that have a lighter draw. I can get the the Aspire to taste %75 clean, but I can still taste the wickiness, and it doesn't help that heavy draws don't allow your tongue to be as saturated with the bad flavors, so it's hard to know exactly what is going on, if it's something more about you or more about the coil itself.
Now, with my experience, I found that the air-flow controller only makes things worse. I tried tightening up the airflow by just a bit, but it actually made the Aspire taste worse - heavy or light draw. Tightening it up most of the way just makes the device flood no matter what you really do. At that point, the suction of the head balances by a hair, and since I wasn't getting any better flavor anyway, I just use the controller as a juice catcher.
Without a doubt, with a harder draw, I have been able to go higher in the voltage without it tasting just rank (around 3.8ohms) but like you guys, anything higher has been downright dry or burned - no matter what I do.
Now, if it means anything, Phil has a blog up where one of his friends sent him a head that they said gave them a burnt rubber taste, and although Phil didn't taste that particular taste in that very head as much as his friend did (though he said it still wasn't a good vape), he took the heads apart, and there are build differences between the early heads he got for review, and the ones on the market. Not talking about the 4-hole difference. He couldn't point to anything that was scientifically giving a bad vape, but if the build is different, then it stands to reason that they're somehow working different.
For me and the Aspire, it has simply been that either I taste around a %50 wicky flavor, or, if I don't get a strong aspect of that flavor, there's still enough funkiness going on that it'll make a sweet caramel juice taste like sea salt, or a rum juice taste like fish oil. And I have vaped these heads for hours (for testing) so any primer would have vaped away, and things like metal dust is really the only other thing I could think of - my mistake was indeed that I didn't clean most of my heads before testing, so the cleaning factor could be a big issue. I truly recommend cleaning these heads before you even vape on it once.
Also, these heads seem to have micro-coils (or something very close to micro-coils) as the coil style, and those things get hot. 1.8ohms may simply be something that doesn't work so well in these. I'm eager to try the 2.0ohm version, but with my recent grand experience with the Cisco atomizer (which is microcoiled in the same way, yet 3.5ohms!) I say that Aspire could at least try jacking up the ohms to see if any of us get a starkly different taste.
Naw, all kidding aside, what I've found out with this device (well, it's not like I didn't realize it as soon as I vaped it) that this is a hard-draw device, and with people who have hard draws, these types of draws can cover up nasty tastes like it's something unreal. Doesn't mean the bad taste isn't still there for us that have a lighter draw. I can get the the Aspire to taste %75 clean, but I can still taste the wickiness, and it doesn't help that heavy draws don't allow your tongue to be as saturated with the bad flavors, so it's hard to know exactly what is going on, if it's something more about you or more about the coil itself.
Now, with my experience, I found that the air-flow controller only makes things worse. I tried tightening up the airflow by just a bit, but it actually made the Aspire taste worse - heavy or light draw. Tightening it up most of the way just makes the device flood no matter what you really do. At that point, the suction of the head balances by a hair, and since I wasn't getting any better flavor anyway, I just use the controller as a juice catcher.
Without a doubt, with a harder draw, I have been able to go higher in the voltage without it tasting just rank (around 3.8ohms) but like you guys, anything higher has been downright dry or burned - no matter what I do.
Now, if it means anything, Phil has a blog up where one of his friends sent him a head that they said gave them a burnt rubber taste, and although Phil didn't taste that particular taste in that very head as much as his friend did (though he said it still wasn't a good vape), he took the heads apart, and there are build differences between the early heads he got for review, and the ones on the market. Not talking about the 4-hole difference. He couldn't point to anything that was scientifically giving a bad vape, but if the build is different, then it stands to reason that they're somehow working different.
For me and the Aspire, it has simply been that either I taste around a %50 wicky flavor, or, if I don't get a strong aspect of that flavor, there's still enough funkiness going on that it'll make a sweet caramel juice taste like sea salt, or a rum juice taste like fish oil. And I have vaped these heads for hours (for testing) so any primer would have vaped away, and things like metal dust is really the only other thing I could think of - my mistake was indeed that I didn't clean most of my heads before testing, so the cleaning factor could be a big issue. I truly recommend cleaning these heads before you even vape on it once.
Also, these heads seem to have micro-coils (or something very close to micro-coils) as the coil style, and those things get hot. 1.8ohms may simply be something that doesn't work so well in these. I'm eager to try the 2.0ohm version, but with my recent grand experience with the Cisco atomizer (which is microcoiled in the same way, yet 3.5ohms!) I say that Aspire could at least try jacking up the ohms to see if any of us get a starkly different taste.
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That video is about air flow, particularly in the Aspire BDC. AFC is covered in detail, but so are a bunch of other things that affect vaping. Drawing hard needs to happen when you have restricted air flow. Drawing fast OTOH can happen at any time. PBusardo draws slow.
Regardless, just like that "anyone else having problems all the time" thread, I am. If its not the pro tank mini tasting weird and having no vapor, its a cartomizer not working. If its not that, its the juice burning. I just keep chasing that good vape and its proving to be very frustrating.
Restricting the air flow, causing harder draw in a bottom coil device causes juice to wick faster (more juice movement) with each drag. I have a Kayfun clone, a bottom coil RBA, with air flow control. If I open the air flow making the draw easier, the vape will become dryer. If I choke the air flow a bit it becomes wetter. Too far each direction can give me burnt hits or a totally flooded, leaking RBA. Of course, juice thickness, how quick I pull and how long I pull when vaping matter as well.
Since this thread is handy, I'd just like to point out that these things are pretty dang resilient too. I dropped the ProVari/Aspire combo on my garage floor tonight. At first glance, everything was fine and it all fired right up. Then I got some strange bug up my .... to see if the tank was fine. And, as it turns out, it was not. My juice spilleth and runneth all over. Basically, the base that the heads screw into separated from the knurled, bottom portion of the tank. Figured she was a goner, but in the end a towel and some light plier work and she's back in business, no leaking, tastes just like before except for the early oil change. I have tightend up my airflow a little but honestly I'm still topping out at 4.2V on the ProVari. Tastes great to me though.
That's true, there's definately a difference between a strong draw, soft draw, slow draw, and fast draw.
And @ skakid, with the Protank heads, some things that I've at least been told to try are:
A. Removing a flavor wick
B. Exchanging a flavor wick for a safe cotton strand (good luck finding that if you don't to boil - I don't think anyone in the vaping world universally knows what cotton we can really safely use, found in a supermarket...)
C. Air-flow controller (if nothing else, they're tremendously worth the $3 investment as a juice catcher for these types of tanks)
D. Tracking down the highest ohms Kanger offers.
E. Washing the tank/heads in alcohol (namely vodka or grain alcohol) or, probably way less effectively, distilled water.
F. Finally, rebuilding the coil, though to be frank, it seems the rubber gaskets just pose a lot of problems.
The PTII was really my "original tank choice" and the day I vaped on it, it seemed like the universe created a different timeline where I just was doomed to forever get an awful vape, where the opposite version of me is happily vaping away on the PTII right now. I really did want that tank to work so much. I was so excited for tank-style vaping, thinking that at most, removing a flavor wick would do the trick. Nope, not by a mile... just a funky, downtrodden flavor when it works (sometimes I silica bite) and other times just a burnt up coil. I haven't performed the more advanced adjustments with it though, I'm very eager to see if a cotton strip may make it work.
And @ skakid, with the Protank heads, some things that I've at least been told to try are:
A. Removing a flavor wick
B. Exchanging a flavor wick for a safe cotton strand (good luck finding that if you don't to boil - I don't think anyone in the vaping world universally knows what cotton we can really safely use, found in a supermarket...)
C. Air-flow controller (if nothing else, they're tremendously worth the $3 investment as a juice catcher for these types of tanks)
D. Tracking down the highest ohms Kanger offers.
E. Washing the tank/heads in alcohol (namely vodka or grain alcohol) or, probably way less effectively, distilled water.
F. Finally, rebuilding the coil, though to be frank, it seems the rubber gaskets just pose a lot of problems.
The PTII was really my "original tank choice" and the day I vaped on it, it seemed like the universe created a different timeline where I just was doomed to forever get an awful vape, where the opposite version of me is happily vaping away on the PTII right now. I really did want that tank to work so much. I was so excited for tank-style vaping, thinking that at most, removing a flavor wick would do the trick. Nope, not by a mile... just a funky, downtrodden flavor when it works (sometimes I silica bite) and other times just a burnt up coil. I haven't performed the more advanced adjustments with it though, I'm very eager to see if a cotton strip may make it work.
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I hear ya and you're not alone in this. What I did when I first started vaping was I got one setup and learned how to get the most out of it before moving on to other hardware. Took me maybe a month for the first one but I did get to know all it's 'challenges' with a bunch of help from the folks here.
Then I moved on to another device I thought promising and repeated the process. The second time it took a lot less time to figure out. IMO, if you work with a bunch of different hardware before you have one figured out it becomes a lot harder. But I am also a tinkerer and fairly mechanically inclined. I feel sorry for people that are neither of these.
Hang in there skakid, take it one issue at a time and I think you'll get it all sorted out
I've always had bad luck with atomizer's like this Something about the way I vape gives me dry hits after one or two draws on the Aspire. I've had the same problem with every clearo I've ever used. My solution was switching to rebuildable stuff, I have been having really good luck with building protanks with cotton wick.
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I gotta wonder why it is that you've been having such rotten luck? Don't take that the wrong way, I'm not trying to be accusatory, just inquisitive. I've only been vaping for 14 months, about a year or so with my trusty vamo v2. Not long after the protank came out I fell in love with it, and bought four. I've changed out somewhere on the order of a hundred heads, and not noticed any of the issues you talk about.
My only real complaint has been that I wish I could get more flavor and vapor. The th is there for the most part, but the flavor and vapor are both a little less than what I really want. This becomes more and more true as a coil gets gunked up. Some months or so ago, I stopped throwing the gunked coils away, and have about forty or thereabouts heads sitting in a ziplock waiting for me to try and clean them out. If that doesn't work, well, I guess I have plenty for rebuilding!
Maybe it's just my taste buds aren't as keen as yours? Maybe the flavors I like tend to mask the off tastes more than the flavors you enjoy? I
Glad you brought this back up. Another Apsire story, strap in! I bought some 6mg Pink Spot Swagger, one of my favorites so far (it's been slipping though since I found Highway4, Deadly Sin, and Gambit) and what I always loved about Swagger is that it had a very rich flavor and throat hit to boot. In 6mg formula, nah, not so much. In fact it's been sitting on the shelf, unused, because of that. So, based on this thread, I decided to throw it back on my airflow-controlled device du jour and holy mama, Houston we have Throat Hit again. It's like this thread reinvented this juice for me so for that, I thank you!
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The only thing I havent tried is rebuilding myself, thats next on the list. Its funny, since I've started I've easily dropped a few hundred in delivery systems alone. I think it went something like ce4, evod, vision nano, boge cartomizers, ego mega dual coils, aro tanks, vivi nova, protank mini, carto tank, and recently aspire. I look at my friends at work who I have gotten started with a very basic ce4 and almost wish thats all I knew. I mean they just top off the juice and all is well. Here I am pulling my hair out analyzing every single aspect involved.
edit: I should note I have been vaping bobas bounty pretty hard. So trying to find the best way has been a big pain in the .... Currently using the iclear30 that came with my mvp 2.0, every 1-4 ml completely gunks the coil up though. So I am left having to dump and waste juice to dry burn and clean the coil.
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To be completely honest, sometimes I do believe that a lot of factors lead up to people not getting the bad tastes that I do, anywhere from how someone has a harder draw than me (a harder, faster draw truly lessens the amount of flavor that is delivered in the vapor, both with how there's more air, and how the intake of the vapor doesn't allow the flavor to saturate the person's tongue as much), to how some people are using much darker, heavier tasting liquids across the board (which could probably do a better job of covering up a silica bite than some of my almost flavorless juices), to simple production variations from head to head, to how most here are probably heavier smokers than me (and for much longer), and that with people searching for a throat hit and direct lung inhale, the silica bite or texture may even be a positive for them that helps give a scratchier feel to the throat or benefit nicotine delivery with how the silica particles (if truly present) would naturally be more pronounced with a drier wick (hotter coils + drier wick = more wick feedoff), which, in turn, can cause a person who really enjoys nicotine to become personally attached to the traits and unique nuances and factors of their own device.
With all of that, I'm truly not trying to say that some people would enjoy anything, but with how I do my tests, I always use the cleanest, weakest juices first (juices that might as well be flavorless PG), I don't use nicotine juices for testing, I never inhale the vapor into my lungs during all my testing (just in case there's any sort of contaminants that could trigger my asthma, as bad heads always do), and without a doubt, with my naturally slower draw, the vapor hits my tongue before anything else, and slides off the tongue equally on the exhale. That's where I always taste anything from acrid bitterness or even just more of a wet sock or polyfil type of taste. Since I'm the guy who enjoys vaping entirely for the taste, it's simply a factor that I seem to be really keen on.
However, in all reality, I still think there's more to it than simple preference, as I often say that I've tried juices at the juice bar which tasted fantastic at the juice bar, tried on clearomizers that gave me no wicky tastes, and on those clearomizers, I also had the luck of chocolate and coffee juices tasting perfect, while on the heads of mine that taste wicky or harsh, those same coffee or chocolate juices burn instantly and taste like monkey ..... Pure monkey ..... So I still do think it's the performance of the coils more than anything, that for some odd reason, I've had some very bad luck with coils that are running much hotter than coils usually do in anyone else's set-up. Though I do think there's people out there that do have some numbed tastes (I've vaped with people before, and where one cleaomizer will taste dry and rancid to me, they'll think it tastes clean), I don't think that applies to that many people - simply put, I've experienced the "good vape" that I believe most on this forum are vaping, and I've at least seen where it can exist on many of the simple devices out there.
Just the luck of the draw I guess...
With all of that, I'm truly not trying to say that some people would enjoy anything, but with how I do my tests, I always use the cleanest, weakest juices first (juices that might as well be flavorless PG), I don't use nicotine juices for testing, I never inhale the vapor into my lungs during all my testing (just in case there's any sort of contaminants that could trigger my asthma, as bad heads always do), and without a doubt, with my naturally slower draw, the vapor hits my tongue before anything else, and slides off the tongue equally on the exhale. That's where I always taste anything from acrid bitterness or even just more of a wet sock or polyfil type of taste. Since I'm the guy who enjoys vaping entirely for the taste, it's simply a factor that I seem to be really keen on.
However, in all reality, I still think there's more to it than simple preference, as I often say that I've tried juices at the juice bar which tasted fantastic at the juice bar, tried on clearomizers that gave me no wicky tastes, and on those clearomizers, I also had the luck of chocolate and coffee juices tasting perfect, while on the heads of mine that taste wicky or harsh, those same coffee or chocolate juices burn instantly and taste like monkey ..... Pure monkey ..... So I still do think it's the performance of the coils more than anything, that for some odd reason, I've had some very bad luck with coils that are running much hotter than coils usually do in anyone else's set-up. Though I do think there's people out there that do have some numbed tastes (I've vaped with people before, and where one cleaomizer will taste dry and rancid to me, they'll think it tastes clean), I don't think that applies to that many people - simply put, I've experienced the "good vape" that I believe most on this forum are vaping, and I've at least seen where it can exist on many of the simple devices out there.
Just the luck of the draw I guess...
Am I the only one that remembers just a few weeks ago your psychobabble rant about how draw has NOTHING to do with flavor/vapor??
And so as that you don't have to throw around another one of your $100 bets, here's a link to the thread so as that you can go back and refresh your memory - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...87903-loud-clear-my-tests-draw-technique.html
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I am suddenly reminded of a pretty funny quote I heard someone say:
"when you are dead, you don't know you are dead. It is only difficult for the people around you...
...it's the same thing if you are stupid."
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Why not try it and see if it makes a difference? Maybe its not the tank for you.
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