In the 4 hole head vapes a lot better than the 2 head. I'll try restricting a little more...
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In the 4 hole head vapes a lot better than the 2 head. I'll try restricting a little more...
I meant that there is a physical difference between draws, that people often get a "fast draw" confused for a "strong draw", not that it effects anything on most of the build models. I found the most variation to be on the Aspire, and it wasn't because it was wicking better upon a hard or softer draw, it just depended on how much air was filtering the taste. I've done lots of airflow and draw tests on all my other devices and I didn't personally see any type of change when it came to draw - at worst, the "triple puff" method seemed to pronounce a drier taste that was already there, that dry tastes (if already there) are more pronounced on an extremely weak, slow draw, and that depending on the device, sucking like a maniac can give a tinge of a dry taste too. However, all of the devices I tested on were faulty from the box, and no amount of draw techniques fixed that, so I posted that thread to proclaim that improvements or changes in draw were not a factor that I believe members should attack newbies about, as I don't believe it has any scientific basis concerning the factor of taste. I firmly believe that if someone gets a "silica bite" or a "burned taste" out of their head or wick, that nothing will fix it from there - they may eventually get a vapor that's wet and diluted with enough air to generally taste OK, but many juices still won't perform well with it.
As a bonus, I also used my air-flow controller as a 2nd control for these tests (once the first tests were complete) and I also did not see a single change other than my devices starting to flood or even taste worse than they did, simply because of much less air running through, not diluting the taste as much.
Basically speaking, I believe if a coil is made wrong out of the box, that they don't get better, and no amount of airflow, removing flavor wicks, letting it soak overnight, or whatever tips and tricks usually said around here, work. A bad coil is a bad coil and it will get too hot, it will cause the silica particles to "splay" off into the vapor, heightening the silica taste of the vapor - aka, what that taste is, it's silica particles. You can't taste a particle that isn't there. A food flavoring particle isn't going to taste like silica without having the chemicals of silica in it. So to me, it doesn't taste right, and the feed off from silica (and unboiled cotton) gives me asthma and coughing attacks, and just tastes nasty.
Nothing improved it in my tests. While silica is supposed to be heat resistant, it would seem as soon as the wicks are the tiniest bit over-singed, giving a plastic-like or acrid taste, that it's overwith. To me, this points to the theory that the silica in many vaping devices is of lower grade, and much less heat resistant, causing actual combustion and chemical breakdown, or melting, if the particles and microstrands in the silica are "small enough" (small, individual, seperated particles heat a billion times faster than a big long microstrand or especially a clump of them), which then these melted particles could adhere in the vapor and the coils, causing just an absolute nasty taste. Or it could be residues from the factory that don't come off with alcohol washes or distilled water. I just know that once I get that "bad taste", that something is chemically adhering either to the coils or under them, as the taste will NOT go away no matter how wet the wick is.
But overall, something's amiss, and I've literally tried over 50 different coils over rare tests in these past few months alone, and the only single that refused to give a horrible taste even at it's worse was the Cisco atomizer, which, if it's any constellation, I'd bet Cisco uses entirely American products for their American builds, and uses the highest grade quality stuff they can. Silica shouldn't have such an extreme taste upon the slightest singe or one puff on a hot coil, at least not permanently (a good soak or wash should do the trick, but doesn't ever seem to), but the devices I've used it's been permanent, extreme, and just not right. I know my wicks wick well, as I check that multiple times before I vape. My juices are thin, and my draw has suction but is slow. The only thing I know to point to is low grade silica, or coils that are dozens of degrees hotter than they need to be through battery problems or coil defects.
This goes to say, but if you personally experience an odd flavor on your device, like plastic, silica, sort of a charcoal/ash-tray like gunk build-up, mechanical tastes, acrid flavors, the list goes on - DON'T VAPE IT. Tests have not been done to measure the safety of feed off from these chemicals, reactions, or particles that do make the flavor taste like such. Just because atomizers that are saturated with juice and work fine before scientific testing are considered safe, doesn't mean that you can turn a blind eye toward tastes that obviously don't signalize a healthy vape. Our bodies are made in a way that 9 times out of 10, we know if something doesn't taste healthy to us (a lot of people don't like pickles, but you never hear someone say that a pickle tastes unhealthy) and I'm saying right now that many of these tastes I get out of atomizers are worse than accidentally breathing in gas, combusted plastic, combusted insulation, combusted vynil, any of those things I've had wiffs and tastes of on construction sites. Those things aren't healthy either, and by chemical make-up, virtually anything that has those same scents and tastes upon combustion, heating, or raw ingestion won't be healthy. It's our body's way of tasting PH levels and all sorts of things.
Our bodies are made the way they are for a reason, and they were made to recognize poisonous substances in most scenarios. For me, I'm personally not going to vape a horrible tasting atomizer just to get nicotine, there aren't feedoff tastes that I'm open to "dealing with" or "covering up", and that's simply my stance. Though I believe a good vape exists, after trying about 50 different coils that all taste the same, the assumption that most people can't taste what I can or simply don't care if they do, is getting more popular in my head. Especially with each person who claims I must be doing something wrong, as it's stastically impossible to mess up every head or atomizer. across 50 of them. I don't think anyone could do that no matter how brain dead they were. I'm also not saying that vaping is the most poisonous thing on the block, but I just don't think anyone should turn a blind eye toward a nasty vape - it could be anything making the vape taste that way, and it's certainly something I'm not going to let my lungs decide later in life. I get too bad of allergic reactions from those bad tastes already; asthma, coughing. Not good.
As a bonus, I also used my air-flow controller as a 2nd control for these tests (once the first tests were complete) and I also did not see a single change other than my devices starting to flood or even taste worse than they did, simply because of much less air running through, not diluting the taste as much.
Basically speaking, I believe if a coil is made wrong out of the box, that they don't get better, and no amount of airflow, removing flavor wicks, letting it soak overnight, or whatever tips and tricks usually said around here, work. A bad coil is a bad coil and it will get too hot, it will cause the silica particles to "splay" off into the vapor, heightening the silica taste of the vapor - aka, what that taste is, it's silica particles. You can't taste a particle that isn't there. A food flavoring particle isn't going to taste like silica without having the chemicals of silica in it. So to me, it doesn't taste right, and the feed off from silica (and unboiled cotton) gives me asthma and coughing attacks, and just tastes nasty.
Nothing improved it in my tests. While silica is supposed to be heat resistant, it would seem as soon as the wicks are the tiniest bit over-singed, giving a plastic-like or acrid taste, that it's overwith. To me, this points to the theory that the silica in many vaping devices is of lower grade, and much less heat resistant, causing actual combustion and chemical breakdown, or melting, if the particles and microstrands in the silica are "small enough" (small, individual, seperated particles heat a billion times faster than a big long microstrand or especially a clump of them), which then these melted particles could adhere in the vapor and the coils, causing just an absolute nasty taste. Or it could be residues from the factory that don't come off with alcohol washes or distilled water. I just know that once I get that "bad taste", that something is chemically adhering either to the coils or under them, as the taste will NOT go away no matter how wet the wick is.
But overall, something's amiss, and I've literally tried over 50 different coils over rare tests in these past few months alone, and the only single that refused to give a horrible taste even at it's worse was the Cisco atomizer, which, if it's any constellation, I'd bet Cisco uses entirely American products for their American builds, and uses the highest grade quality stuff they can. Silica shouldn't have such an extreme taste upon the slightest singe or one puff on a hot coil, at least not permanently (a good soak or wash should do the trick, but doesn't ever seem to), but the devices I've used it's been permanent, extreme, and just not right. I know my wicks wick well, as I check that multiple times before I vape. My juices are thin, and my draw has suction but is slow. The only thing I know to point to is low grade silica, or coils that are dozens of degrees hotter than they need to be through battery problems or coil defects.
This goes to say, but if you personally experience an odd flavor on your device, like plastic, silica, sort of a charcoal/ash-tray like gunk build-up, mechanical tastes, acrid flavors, the list goes on - DON'T VAPE IT. Tests have not been done to measure the safety of feed off from these chemicals, reactions, or particles that do make the flavor taste like such. Just because atomizers that are saturated with juice and work fine before scientific testing are considered safe, doesn't mean that you can turn a blind eye toward tastes that obviously don't signalize a healthy vape. Our bodies are made in a way that 9 times out of 10, we know if something doesn't taste healthy to us (a lot of people don't like pickles, but you never hear someone say that a pickle tastes unhealthy) and I'm saying right now that many of these tastes I get out of atomizers are worse than accidentally breathing in gas, combusted plastic, combusted insulation, combusted vynil, any of those things I've had wiffs and tastes of on construction sites. Those things aren't healthy either, and by chemical make-up, virtually anything that has those same scents and tastes upon combustion, heating, or raw ingestion won't be healthy. It's our body's way of tasting PH levels and all sorts of things.
Our bodies are made the way they are for a reason, and they were made to recognize poisonous substances in most scenarios. For me, I'm personally not going to vape a horrible tasting atomizer just to get nicotine, there aren't feedoff tastes that I'm open to "dealing with" or "covering up", and that's simply my stance. Though I believe a good vape exists, after trying about 50 different coils that all taste the same, the assumption that most people can't taste what I can or simply don't care if they do, is getting more popular in my head. Especially with each person who claims I must be doing something wrong, as it's stastically impossible to mess up every head or atomizer. across 50 of them. I don't think anyone could do that no matter how brain dead they were. I'm also not saying that vaping is the most poisonous thing on the block, but I just don't think anyone should turn a blind eye toward a nasty vape - it could be anything making the vape taste that way, and it's certainly something I'm not going to let my lungs decide later in life. I get too bad of allergic reactions from those bad tastes already; asthma, coughing. Not good.
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Ahhh GoodNews. How did I know you would be in an Aspire thread. I didn't read all those words, but im guessing "burning, bad heads, scientific testing, unhealthy, socks, testing, and vendor quality" were all mentioned...again. Merry Christmas buddy. Hope you find your vape in the New Year!
By way of deductive reasoning; if a person has tried 50+ atomizers and none of them have worked properly, while a considerable majority of people who have tried out the same brands are satisfied, it is flawed logic to assume that the majority is in error. Either A) you have been terribly unlucky with the device's you have gotten, and while 99% of them are functional you have happened to receive faulty items every time. Statistically this is, while not impossible, highly unlikely; B) your tastes are simply so different from other people's, and considerably more sensitive, and vaping will never satisfy you. However, as you've stated that most (all?) liquids you've tried at vapor shops taste great, in fairly primitive toppers, this does not seem to be the case. This leaves C) User error. If liquids taste great in toppers set up by others than you, if the majority of users are satisfied with the toppers you are extremely dissatisfied with, the error is likely to be on your part.
No disrespect, but if you wish to ever have a consistently satisfying vaping experience you should listen to and follow the advice people here have kindly given you. And, before you have proper expertise, and experience in how to get a good vape, you're really not qualified to do reviews that anyone should recognize as valid
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No disrespect, but if you wish to ever have a consistently satisfying vaping experience you should listen to and follow the advice people here have kindly given you. And, before you have proper expertise, and experience in how to get a good vape, you're really not qualified to do reviews that anyone should recognize as valid
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This has been stated countless time, unfortunately, that, along with every piece of advice given to him has been looked down upon and ignored, and will always continue to be so.
However, fortunately, due to the frequency and history GoodNews has built up with his incoherent ramblings, he has permanently branded himself as a forum troll, nothing more, probably less, so I wouldn't worry anymore that a new vaping user could take this person seriously. His presence is a prank that has run its course and outlived its humor, so with that said, my last posting related to GoodNews:
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So I had the same issue as the OP... With the aspire as well as other heads. I always ran my voltage pretty low, and was wondering how the hell these review vids for different atomizers can use such high voltage.
The issue was, I used low voltage with a new head, BEFORE trying the high voltage.
When you use a low voltage, especially with thicker juices, it "slow roasts" the juice on the coil and gunk buildup starts VERY quickly. Then, if you decide later that day to up the voltage, you will be inhaling the cooked on crap sitting on the coil.... Yuck!!!
So, try this... Use a NEW head, and from the first vape set your voltage to around 4.2 volts for the 1.8 ohm head. That should taste pretty good. Then work your way down. Don't start low and work your way up over a long period else you'll get the mouth full of burnt crap.
Check this sheet out too... It helps you figure out the best wattage or voltage for dual coils. Best tool I've seen... Most out there are for single coils and those can run much lower. But for dual you will need to crank up the voltage.
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13outog1sf0ij2et22dgzairsq2xtrhd04
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The issue was, I used low voltage with a new head, BEFORE trying the high voltage.
When you use a low voltage, especially with thicker juices, it "slow roasts" the juice on the coil and gunk buildup starts VERY quickly. Then, if you decide later that day to up the voltage, you will be inhaling the cooked on crap sitting on the coil.... Yuck!!!
So, try this... Use a NEW head, and from the first vape set your voltage to around 4.2 volts for the 1.8 ohm head. That should taste pretty good. Then work your way down. Don't start low and work your way up over a long period else you'll get the mouth full of burnt crap.
Check this sheet out too... It helps you figure out the best wattage or voltage for dual coils. Best tool I've seen... Most out there are for single coils and those can run much lower. But for dual you will need to crank up the voltage.
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13outog1sf0ij2et22dgzairsq2xtrhd04
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Interesting approach, I'll give that a try. Sounds right, for example, on my iclear30. I vape bobas and it gunks it up BAD. If I all of a sudden try to up it to the 4.2volt range it will taste horrible. When I do finally clean them, the coil is almost not visible.
One thing I notice in all these xxxx didn't work for me threads is that some people expect all atomizers to work perfectly with their style of Vaping. They do not take into account that different devices work differently.
I have found it is best to alter your Vaping method to match the device. Each one prefers a slightly different pull, or wattage, or set up, to work best.
One has to be a little more flexible to get the best out of beach device.
This thread started out being about Aspire BDCs. When I first got mine, I had some difficulties getting them to work well. I got frustrated rather quickly. I put them away for a couple of weeks and continued to read all the posts about them.
Now I have picked them up again and I am not exactly sure what I am doing differently, but now they are working great. I am really enjoying them. I seem to be using them more than my beloved carto tanks.
One thing I think I am doing differently is using them at lower watts than I usually would for other atomizers of similar resistance. I am Vaping the 2 ohm coils at 3.5-3.8 volts mostly and am really happy
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I have found it is best to alter your Vaping method to match the device. Each one prefers a slightly different pull, or wattage, or set up, to work best.
One has to be a little more flexible to get the best out of beach device.
This thread started out being about Aspire BDCs. When I first got mine, I had some difficulties getting them to work well. I got frustrated rather quickly. I put them away for a couple of weeks and continued to read all the posts about them.
Now I have picked them up again and I am not exactly sure what I am doing differently, but now they are working great. I am really enjoying them. I seem to be using them more than my beloved carto tanks.
One thing I think I am doing differently is using them at lower watts than I usually would for other atomizers of similar resistance. I am Vaping the 2 ohm coils at 3.5-3.8 volts mostly and am really happy
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Woah... 3.5V on a dual coil? That's like 3W per coil. You are seriously underutilizing the dual coils by firing that low!!
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Anything higher results in a burnt taste. Yeah. It's only a bit over 6 watts. My experience is that these coils top out just below 8 watts.
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8W but 4W per coil. That's still low and IMO you are not utilizing the dual coils to their fullest potential! Just my opinion based on experience.
Try firing at 6w per coil, with a *fresh* new coil*. I think you will be amazed. New coil part is key. If you use one you have been firing with 3.5V (~3W per coil) it probably has a bit of gunk accumulated from slow cooking juice at too low of a temperature. It will burn like hell if you crank up the voltage after first using it at lower temps. Trust me... There is no way these coils were meant to be fired at 3-3.5W each!!! I was doing that for a while. Then I tried higher voltages from the first vape of a dual coil and it's night and day better!
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Try firing at 6w per coil, with a *fresh* new coil*. I think you will be amazed. New coil part is key. If you use one you have been firing with 3.5V (~3W per coil) it probably has a bit of gunk accumulated from slow cooking juice at too low of a temperature. It will burn like hell if you crank up the voltage after first using it at lower temps. Trust me... There is no way these coils were meant to be fired at 3-3.5W each!!! I was doing that for a while. Then I tried higher voltages from the first vape of a dual coil and it's night and day better!
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I will try this with the next new coil.
I bought my Aspires used, so I didn't get the packaging. I know other devices sometimes come with a little guide with suggested voltages to run at. Did the Aspire come with one of those?
I remember when I tried Hypertanks, the suggested voltages were lower than I expected, but they turned out to be correct. Running them any hotter burned them up.
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I bought my Aspires used, so I didn't get the packaging. I know other devices sometimes come with a little guide with suggested voltages to run at. Did the Aspire come with one of those?
I remember when I tried Hypertanks, the suggested voltages were lower than I expected, but they turned out to be correct. Running them any hotter burned them up.
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Just to be clear. You are suggesting running a 2 ohm BDC coil at 5 volts right out of the wrapper? That's a bit over 12 watts. Seems high to me but this is my first experience with dual coils.
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You have dual coils, this is the part you are missing. 12W total, but divide that over two coils.
You need to run dual coils at higher voltages if you want equivalent wattage.
If you have a 2ohm dual coil, that's two 4ohm coils in parallel. So set your voltage as you would a 4ohm load, not a 2ohm. If you set it as you would for a single coil, you will be way under firing and not getting the vape you could out of it.
This is why dual coils chew through juice and be batteries faster.
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You need to run dual coils at higher voltages if you want equivalent wattage.
If you have a 2ohm dual coil, that's two 4ohm coils in parallel. So set your voltage as you would a 4ohm load, not a 2ohm. If you set it as you would for a single coil, you will be way under firing and not getting the vape you could out of it.
This is why dual coils chew through juice and be batteries faster.
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Also google "watt mapper". It's a free xls voltage chart that you can configure for single or dual coils. Plug in your voltage/resistances that you are using and you will see that each coil is getting extremely low current.
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Ok. So I put in a fresh 1.8 ohm head
Primed, filled and let set.
Set my volts at 4.5 to start.
Here goes.....
Alright. That works.
Click it up 2 tenths. Still good.
Heck turn it up to 5 volts. That's just under 14 watts. This is the highest I have ever ran my Provari. Still not burnt.
At first. After chain Vaping a bit I had to turn it back to 4.8. It was beginning to taste scorched. 12.8 watts seemed to be the sweet spot.
The difference from the low powered Vaping I was doing before with these coils seems to be the amount of vapor. I didn't notice a flavor change, but have only tried one eLiquid. I tried some lower setting with no difference noticed.
More research needed!
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Primed, filled and let set.
Set my volts at 4.5 to start.
Here goes.....
Alright. That works.
Click it up 2 tenths. Still good.
Heck turn it up to 5 volts. That's just under 14 watts. This is the highest I have ever ran my Provari. Still not burnt.
At first. After chain Vaping a bit I had to turn it back to 4.8. It was beginning to taste scorched. 12.8 watts seemed to be the sweet spot.
The difference from the low powered Vaping I was doing before with these coils seems to be the amount of vapor. I didn't notice a flavor change, but have only tried one eLiquid. I tried some lower setting with no difference noticed.
More research needed!
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Ya.. If chain vaping you will need to give it a few seconds to wick in more juice. Before with your lower voltages I'm guessing you didn't ever burn all the juice in the wicks so you never had to wait between puffs. I have to do the same, if I take a handful of draws quickly, it starts tasting a little burnt. Give it some time to rewinding and the burnt taste should go away!
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This morning they all taste terrible and burnt. At any voltage.
I don't know what, if any thing, I did wrong. Yesterday they were great. Vaped 5 different tanks all day. This morning. All crap.
Perplexed and disappointed.
I am gonna order a fresh set of coils, but until then, into a drawer they go
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I don't know what, if any thing, I did wrong. Yesterday they were great. Vaped 5 different tanks all day. This morning. All crap.
Perplexed and disappointed.
I am gonna order a fresh set of coils, but until then, into a drawer they go
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Knock on wood, but I've had really good luck so far. The only thing I'm doing differently is I leave them in the tank, don't soak or rinse...just vape. Getting average of four weeks out of them.
Am I the only person too lazy to clean heads. I don't clean or soak kanger heads either. Those will last me about three weeks. I vape about 3 to 4 mls a day. I keep all other equipment clean, but I figure for as cheap as they are compared to what I paid for cigarettes...why hassle. ??? Anyone else just toss?
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Am I the only person too lazy to clean heads. I don't clean or soak kanger heads either. Those will last me about three weeks. I vape about 3 to 4 mls a day. I keep all other equipment clean, but I figure for as cheap as they are compared to what I paid for cigarettes...why hassle. ??? Anyone else just toss?
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