contingency plans for an FDA or state ban

[OaklandCA]

I'm wondering what folks are thinking for contingency plans if a ban comes through. How much notice would we have? What borders would be permeable and which ones blocked?

I won't be surprised if California gets moving on some ban action. I believe the attorney general (Jerry Brown who is running for governor) is already grandstanding against e-cigs.

Are many folks stockpiling?

The reason i ask, today i tried analoigs and they seemed really foul. Coming in to this i figured i could always go back to smoking, now i'm worried.

 

[Kobudo]

Jerry Brown is still around? Good lord that guy is... well, let's not make it a political discussion.

No matter what happens, I really hope I won't go back to analogs.

 

[HighHeeledGoddess]

I am not going back to cigarettes; I have come too far. Hopefully if a national ban goes through there will be some DIY info out there on the net. Nicotine will still be available, so perhaps we could make our own juices by extracting it from Snus, or similar products.

 

[mrjaguar]

I'm stockpiling a bit, but if CA bans the sale etc.... I'll be making a trip to hayward to visit mr tastyvapor, and making sure I have all the parts I need to make my own mods, and I'll stock up on all the basic juice stuff. I'll get a coupla liters of 100 MG nic, all teh stuff I'll need to keep my sanity.

 

[December Moon]

I think stocking up is a good idea. I have spent enough money over the last week, but over the next couple months I am hoping to stock up on some extra batteries and juice. I dont anticipate anything happening in the immediate future, but since I have to order everything, (nothing of quality available locally) I figure I am killing two birds with one stone.

I have an herbal vaporizer (for that other banned herb), and though I havnt really looked into it, I am sure if you could find the right temp you could vaporize the liquid with a mod or two. For that matter, you could vape actual tobacco... while probably not as good as the liquid, better than analog cigs.

 

[Col. Gaunt]

I have stock piled a bit myself. It looks like Illinois is the next target.

 

[nubbles]

Just started e-cigs, but for the last year or so I have been ordering my analogs from eastern europe, for a variety of reasons, saving money, boycotting/protesting sin taxes etc.. Never once had a problem with customs. As long as your international parcels fall under a certain weight and size they will go right through customs. If anything bad does happen with state laws or federal I believe we can just turn to overseas merchants for all our e-cig supplies. They will not be interested in the parcels containing a few batteries and some juice etc.. they will however hold a suitcase sized parcel with thousands of dollars worth of juice etc. It definitely helps to learn how the whole customs process works. Bottom line the individual e-smokers will be ok, the dealers will have probs

 

[theknifemaker]

I am going to stock up on atty's,parts and juice. I will make my own but the liquid is what I think the problem will be.

 

[goodbyebluemonday]

I feel it is my personal obligation as a citizen of North Carolina to apoligize to the e-cig community for my state's corporate interests.

Make no mistake, the tobacco companies are financing every last dime of this witch-hunt, from the FDA to Mr. Brown from California. If I haven't already lost all faith in our "corpo-government," such a fate to the e-cig market will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

It is a sad state of affairs when things become outlawed based on biased research (I feel the need to ask everyone to research the ......... Stamp Act of 1937; not to condone smoking pot, only for reference and perspective). I am hopeful for some unbiased, scholastic research into the electronic cigarette and it's health concerns in the near future. I just hope they come out in time...

 

[terrie1]

Im stocking up on unflavored nic juice and batts right now, as finances permit.

 

[cliff5550]

Col. Gaunt - What have you heard re: Illinois?

 

[Skwerl]

Funny you should ask, I have been readying Doom Bunker. Stocking up on 150mg nicotine, atomizers, batteries.

 

[Hoosier]

Col. Gaunt - What have you heard re: Illinois?

A bill was introduced to ban the sale of PV's in Illinois. See the campaign forum for details & links.

It's not the only state, if that makes you feel better?

 

[The Gentleman Cannibal]

Eh, I'll just go back to obsessively chewing gum, or maybe making my own zero nic juice. Assuming my kit gets here before the Gestapo starts confiscating all e-cig deliveries. Legal action and/or violent revolution does have a certain appeal. Or maybe violent legal action. Gratuitous legal action? Legal RPMs? Ok, I'll stop now

 

[Hoosier]

The "anti's" are politically involved because they want to save the world and they don't care how many lives they destroy to do it.

If you're not involved, you will lose. You may lose even if you are involved, but if you don't show up for the fight, the other guy always wins.

 

[voltaire]

Im stocking up on unflavored nic juice and batts right now, as finances permit.

There's really no good reason to stock up on batts, since you could always make your own or buy a mod that uses stock batts available anywhere. Attys would be a lot better to stock up on than batts, since those aren't as easily sourced/made. Batts have more of a shelf-life too.

That said, I'm not too worried about any prospective ban being very effective. Of course I'd rather it not happen, but even if it does, I don't think catching ecigs at the border will be a priority for customs considering all the other stuff they have to deal with. It would sure be a travesty if they allow terrorists to smuggle in a dirty bomb or something because they were wasting resources searching for ecig products.

 

[candre23]

NJ recently banned vaping everywhere smoking is prohibited (essentially anywhere indoors), and specifically banned sales to minors. While the indoor bad annoying, I think that if they had any plans to ban it altogether, they would have done so all at once. From that standpoint, NJ is probably safe from an all-out ban any time soon.

A national ban is another story. I can only hope that these things move slowly enough that some actual research can be presented before the big tobacco lobbies manage to ram in some ill-informed, knee-jerk legislation.

Speaking of big tobacco, I wonder why they are so adamantly against PVs? Surely nic juice has to come from tobacco plants at some point. You would think they'd prefer that their addicts/customers switch to another version of their product rather than outright quit.

Big tobacco has spent billions funding shady studies and reports and lobbying to spin their product as being less lethal than it is. For a tiny fraction of that amount, they could fund some legitimate studies and promotion of vaping. If they get their customers to switch, they'll live longer and continue being customers longer. Phillip Morris or Reynolds could make and sell their own juice, and actually profit from people who decide to switch to a healthier alternative.

 

[CES]

I don't think catching ecigs at the border will be a priority for customs considering all the other stuff they have to deal with.

Yet, customs is and has been catching some shipments at the border. Yes, it is a waste but they're doing it anyway.

 

[grim_piper]

How much of a reality does it look like a ban will be? I've given some consideration to going
into business with this, but is it worth the effort if it's going to get squashed under the jackboot of the nanny state?

 

[leannebug]

NJ recently banned vaping everywhere <SNIP>

Speaking of big tobacco, I wonder why they are so adamantly against PVs? Surely nic juice has to come from tobacco plants at some point. You would think they'd prefer that their addicts/customers switch to another version of their product rather than outright quit.

Big tobacco has spent billions funding shady studies and reports and lobbying to spin their product as being less lethal than it is. For a tiny fraction of that amount, they could fund some legitimate studies and promotion of vaping. If they get their customers to switch, they'll live longer and continue being customers longer. Phillip Morris or Reynolds could make and sell their own juice, and actually profit from people who decide to switch to a healthier alternative.

Excellent point! You would think they would jump on the bandwagon. Tho, I did see on another thread that PM has been working on their own version of the ecig... (vaporless).. for the last 6 years. I believe the article stated that it would not be ready for a couple more years.

Either way, it would behoove all big Tobacco companies to find a way to process and sell the Nic juice, and stand behind the ecig community (tho I doubt that will happen anytime soon).

Even if/when they are banned, I don't see it having too much of a dent in my life, except that the 'choices' will be more limitted, and I would have to keep my "vaping" private. There are ways around EVERYTHING, and with the vast resources on the internet it is near impossible for the government to regulate this.

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