You really need to relax. I have NOT done or said any of the nonsense that you keep writing about, get over yourself.
Could you quit vaping if circumstances proved it to be the best choice (read FDA/local political decisions)?
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You really need to relax. I have NOT done or said any of the nonsense that you keep writing about, get over yourself.
I can totally agree with your points and I hope the best for your surgery and health. I suppose when I started smoking I never really considered it addicting but I did know it wasn't a healthy thing to do but then again there's lots of unhealthy things people do. I think you know what I mean.
More or less I learned over time what the effects were and that it was going to kill me if I didnt stop....I still remember my uncle telling me when I was 21.
"You better stop those or they will kill you..."
I didn't listen I was young and strong and never thought anything could touch me.
About 10 years into smoking you really start to notice how bad it really is and by that time you are hooked mentally and physically.
Also some of us have a disposition to be addicted to things and it makes it even harder to stop.
Btw remember when Doctors used to give [Other stuff] to patients ...??
Sometimes the powers that be push things on people for money or research to just to see what happens...To Them.
And then years later they make it illegal and we see tons of lawsuits.
P.S. this RY4D/Hazelnut is awesome.
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Don't see where he insulted you, he simply stated his opinion with far more patience than others have given you. Do not say that his behaviour isn't wanted here. You may not like it, others appreciate his contributions to this forum. If you want to be a cheerleader for the FDA, so be it. You insult thousand of smokers and former smokers ever time you claim, "I understand quitting smoking is difficult but it is possible if desired and the same goes for vaping, if a person really wants to quit they do, if someone is serious about doing something they do it," and they let you know it's insulting, but you keep right on saying it. Most everyone that I've seen on here that say they can easily quit does so many times. In my opinion, that's not quitting, it justification for relapsing over and over again. If you want people to have respect for you on here, show some to them.
ETA There are a number of people that have said on here they were able to quit smoking and took up low nic or no nic and have stuck to it. My hat is off to them. The vast majority of us are not that lucky.
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Heh... precisely why I will NEVER buy any ejuice from a BT company.
Andria
It is my understanding that the Blu flavors are actually made by Johnson Creek I read that in here somewhere .
Bawahahahah.
There is enough nicotine in a single cigar to make something like 1500 ml of juice, you just have to EXTRACT it.
The rest is just a pipe, a battery, and a rolled up piece of wire.
This country cant even regulate drugs that will kill you with a 1/2 gram overdose.
Try and regulate this.
There is enough nicotine in a single cigar to make something like 1500 ml of juice, you just have to EXTRACT it.
The rest is just a pipe, a battery, and a rolled up piece of wire.
This country cant even regulate drugs that will kill you with a 1/2 gram overdose.
Try and regulate this.
Are you suggesting…….no you can't be……you mean
actually MAKE stuff?..not purchase it,…like in the old days, making wine and liker and and bathtub gin?
You mean actually CREATE ejuice……like you were putting up preserves..
LOLOLOLOLOLOL……
"What 'n hell is vapin'" (I'll bet the Marlboro Man is rolling over in his carcinogenic grave).
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I knew the arisks. But when my kids started smelling me , That's when I needed to quit. (My school kids, I teach) when I got my Japanese credit card (hard for foreigners to get credit cards in Japan , cflight risk ) first thing I did was get online. I'm over 1000 dollars down. Money well spent.
No idea... I thought the Blu I got when I was first trying out e-cigs sucked rocks -- really big nasty rocks! I gave it away to a neighbor who was constantly bumming smokes off me, just to get him off my back -- I knew I certainly wasn't going to use it, it tasted so nasty.
Andria
Seriously?! I've only been here for a few days and see that this guy has got something else going here. What's the deal man?
I could quit vaping easy enough. I'd just be smoking again. Of course, with my gear and DIY supplies, the only way to really shut me down is by making nicotine completely unavailable or criminalizing vaping. It's a totally different situation for the vast majority, vaping their Egos with their store bought coil heads and no idea how to make juice.
Yeah, but no one forces anyone to quit either.
No one has ever successfully forced me to do anything, unless there were handcuffs involved.
Unless you count when my pregnancy forced me to give birth -- but even then, my body fought it right up until they put the mask on my face and made a 6" incision in my belly. I don't submit. And although I still have some stocking-up and some learning to do, I'm with enthused; I'll be making my own ejuice and vaping it in my rebuildables until *I* decide it's time to quit -- which will probably be about 5 minutes before death. Or at least until I'm unable to lift my mod to my mouth.
Andria
I would vape unflavored 0 nic PG/VG before I'd go back to smoking. As long as I have at least that crutch I think I can not give in to the temptation.
How about you cite the research whereby you believe specific chemicals and additives are put in to keep the user addicted. I STRONGLY believe you will be citing ANTZ sources that amount to hit pieces against smoking and/or BT. The SAME type of stuff we see with eCigs. But here on a vaping forum, we do all we can to downplay that sort of reporting, seeing it as ANTZ propaganda. So, when ANTZ speaks out against BT/combustibles, we are right on board with them and their 'science.' But when they do the same with eCigs, we dispute their findings calling them not believable, and having an agenda.
I entered this thread as dual user, and noted that in my first reply. But inevitably, these type of threads turn to hating on cigs from what looks an awful lot like ANTZ rhetoric, which is clearly ingrained in our culture. So, I say cite your research, and then let's look at what those SAME sources have to say about eCigs and let's all decide on how credible we truly believe they are OR are we actually dealing with ANTZ propaganda.
Not only is my experience with smoking one where I was very much addicted, but I was able to go cold turkey. Once, that was relatively easy, twice it was challenging, but doable. I do believe quitting, as in initial decision to stop smoking regularly is a matter of willpower. And then the desire to stay quit is a matter of choice with willpower. As a current dual user, and with my previous experience of quitting, cold turkey, I know I can stop at any time. I choose not to. Or closer to, I choose not to stay quit. As I vape (nicotine), the willpower to stop is replaced with ability to fulfill much of what I get from smoking by way of vaping. I believe (don't really know for sure) that most vapers, now ex-smokers, experience similar thing. But, difference between me and them is they desire to stay quit. I'm now on day 3 or 5 (not sure) of not smoking. I'm very okay with myself having another smoke at some future date, and may be today. An ex-smoker who hates what smoking has done to them, their family and sees BT as evil is not okay with idea of having another smoke. But, I continue to believe, quite strongly, that if you had such an easy time transitioning from abusive smoker to daily vaper, then one smoke (or even one pack) wouldn't send you right back to place of abusive smoking, UNLESS you made personal decision of stopping vaping. Do them both, and you will likely prefer vaping and thus will not become heavy abusive smoker, as was the case before vaping came along.
Part of the reason why I choose not to stay quit is because I do take pleasure in moderate smoking. The ability to have a smoke and not crave it. That is relatively new to me, and not something that is brought up as possible with smoking. Seems it is either you smoke and risk become heavy addict, or you don't smoke. Even smokers seem to buy into this black and white approach to smoking, swearing that one smoke for them today would mean they would be abusive smoker. And then adding to that, it is because of what BT puts into smokes as to why that would happen, not their choice, and nothing to do with willpower.
I strongly disagree with that take, and enjoy having that discussion as I see it hugely related to the politics around vaping and what is at heart of FSPTCA.
Google "Centenarians and smoking" and observe the thousands of hits showing that many people, in various countries, have lived well past 100 and have been smokers (or drinkers, or couch potatoes). This is not a roll your own type of thing that causes that phenomenon. Instead, I would say it is more plausible to question the propaganda whereby one concludes that smoking leads to a premature death.
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