Custard flavors bad for your health if vaped?

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my4jewels

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The Vapor Room finally provided me with a good Vanilla Cupcake:
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I bought my flavoring from Capellas:
Vanilla Cupcake - e juice gourmet flavored coffee e liquid tea flavor e cigarette water flavoring Diet & Fitness Baking & Desserts



I haven't made my own yet because I am waiting on the delivery of some large bottles so I can dilute my nicotine. :vapor:

I have the vanilla cupcake from Capella's as well. I haven't even tried mixing yet. But, I am looking forward to it. I've got pg, vg, 36 mg strong nic liquid(headed toward around 10-12mg), latex gloves, flavors, bottles, pipettes, and syringes. What I don't have is the time right now. I like sweet flavors, desserts, and tart fruits mostly. I am using pre-mixed for now.

Do you know what I'd use to make fruit tastes tart without taking away from sweetness?
 

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There is Bitter Wizard, MTS vape Wizard and AAA Magic Mask would be some additives to research from Flavour Art.
They each bring something different to the table :)

Another additive useful for tartness is LorAnns Tart and Sour and Flavor Apprentice Sour, malic acid is the main ingredient.
 
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Slow is fine with me too Hank! I wish I had the time to help.

Jewel: I don't think TPA is a bad company at all. In fact, I often order some of her flavors (indirectly, through companies like Kim's). It's a GOOD thing they posted that info! I was just taken aback by the number of flavors _I am already using_ and I believe I'm probably not alone in this.




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Jewel: I don't think TPA is a bad company at all. In fact, I often order some of her flavors (indirectly, through companies like Kim's). It's a GOOD thing they posted that info! I was just taken aback by the number of flavors _I am already using_ and I believe I'm probably not alone in this.


I totally agree. I give TPA kuddos for revealing this info. I just didn't want anyone to get the wrong impression because they seem to be the only vendor "outing" this potential problem.
 

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Something needs to be said here...

Food flavourings were never intended to be vaped, period. Although vaping is safer than smoking there are far to many unknowns to say it is safe. PG has been labeled as GRAS yet I fall in the small category of people that are affected by it, and hence why the scientific community has held their position wrt to PG.

So, as deciding to smoke was a choice, deciding to vape is also a choice. How you chose to vape is entirely up to each and everyone. We didn't hear the thousands yell at the top of their lungs to BT that they were killing us, now did we. No, day in and day out we smoked the stinkies.

IMO there are some very responsible juice manufacturers out there, and even they do not know exactly how one component or another will affect us when inhaled or better yet, if new compounds are created by mixing certain components together. Each component may be benign in their original form but may quite well be harmful when unknown compounds are developed by the creation of said compounds from benign sources. Very few juice manufacturers have chemist on staff.

OTOH who wants to vape unflavoured liquids, they taste blah... but there is always a risk. As others have stated this discussion takes place once a quarter with each new crop of vapers. It is normal and we become accustomed to it. It always goes back to - why are you so worried now when you didn't even bat an eye before? Not to be or sound condescending, if flavours were intended for the food industry, why are you vaping them?

That being said vaping contains a certain amount of risks and these risks should carefully be weighed against: Is the risk worth my favourite liquid? That being said. the majority of juice vendors do not have a pea picking clue what is or isn't in their liquids. That my friends is the sad truth :(

This post was to offer some perspective only and not written to create controversy. The intent was to cause reflection and sobering thoughts.
 
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I certainly can see your point. I knew smoking was harmful when I started as a teenager, but I went ahead and did it anyway, but, hey, I didn't have all my brain cells yet. LOL. Then when I became an adult, and the reality kicked in, I still kept doing it, willingly. And I smoked for over 35 years with many short intervals of trying to quit, but I couldn't pull it off for good. Smoking was never casual for me. I am a full blown addict, and I admit it. I guess I never wanted to quit badly enough and have been playing Russian roulette for all these years. You're right, I submitted to smoking cigarettes knowing that it would probably not end well with me because of my smoking, and I didn't make a fuss about it.

I discovered vaping a little over a month ago, so I am in the "new crop of vapers". I was lured away from ciggies to vaping by a product that looked like a ciggie, but openly promised me it was a safer alternative. With the zeal of a noobie, I embraced vaping, and replaced my deadly ciggie habit with a safer habit I thought. Then I start hearing about diacetyl and similar chemicals and did a bit of researching on the topic. It felt like a kick in the teeth. I suppose I am a bit surprised by all of this right now, and, I suppose I'll deal with it, make my choices, and continue vaping.

I started with premixed juice, and I'm going to be making my own from scratch from now on. I want to make the best decisions I can based on the info that is available, even though it's just speculative. But I'm sure you'll agree that it's frustrating to try to contact a big vendor of flavoring, ask a few polite questions, and get no answer. Why is it so hard to just say they don't know? They know that the vaping community is a huge chunk of their business, and wouldn't it be great if we could work together with full disclosure?

I am very carefully selecting my flavors from vendors I feel comfortable with, and I am hoping I am making the right choices for me. If I were to open a company specializing in concentrated flavorings, you can bet there'd be a chemist in my employ.

As a noobie, I just want to be able to make informed decisions. I know I am just another "lab rat", and I don't know what the ramifications of vaping will be 10, 20 years down the road. I'm just saying that information should be forthcoming as it is being discovered by the companies we deal with. This is important.

I appreciate your post. I appreciate the thoughtfulness and time you took to write it. You make many good points. Thanks for the reality check. I also want to make it clear that I respect the rights of every vaper to make their own choices, and I totally respect that. As for me, I will probably continue vaping, try to stay informed as best I can, and ride this wave with the next "new crop of vapers"..
 

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I certainly can see your point. I knew smoking was harmful when I started as a teenager, but I went ahead and did it anyway, but, hey, I didn't have all my brain cells yet. LOL. Then when I became an adult, and the reality kicked in, I still kept doing it, willingly. And I smoked for over 35 years with many short intervals of trying to quit, but I couldn't pull it off for good. Smoking was never casual for me. I am a full blown addict, and I admit it. I guess I never wanted to quit badly enough and have been playing Russian roulette for all these years. You're right, I submitted to smoking cigarettes knowing that it would probably not end well with me because of my smoking, and I didn't make a fuss about it.

I discovered vaping a little over a month ago, so I am in the "new crop of vapers". I was lured away from ciggies to vaping by a product that looked like a ciggie, but openly promised me it was a safer alternative. With the zeal of a noobie, I embraced vaping, and replaced my deadly ciggie habit with a safer habit I thought. Then I start hearing about diacetyl and similar chemicals and did a bit of researching on the topic. It felt like a kick in the teeth. I suppose I am a bit surprised by all of this right now, and, I suppose I'll deal with it, make my choices, and continue vaping.

I started with premixed juice, and I'm going to be making my own from scratch from now on. I want to make the best decisions I can based on the info that is available, even though it's just speculative. But I'm sure you'll agree that it's frustrating to try to contact a big vendor of flavoring, ask a few polite questions, and get no answer. Why is it so hard to just say they don't know? They know that the vaping community is a huge chunk of their business, and wouldn't it be great if we could work together with full disclosure?

I am very carefully selecting my flavors from vendors I feel comfortable with, and I am hoping I am making the right choices for me. If I were to open a company specializing in concentrated flavorings, you can bet there'd be a chemist in my employ.

As a noobie, I just want to be able to make informed decisions. I know I am just another "lab rat", and I don't know what the ramifications of vaping will be 10, 20 years down the road. I'm just saying that information should be forthcoming as it is being discovered by the companies we deal with. This is important.

I appreciate your post. I appreciate the thoughtfulness and time you took to write it. You make many good points. Thanks for the reality check. I also want to make it clear that I respect the rights of every vaper to make their own choices, and I totally respect that. As for me, I will probably continue vaping, try to stay informed as best I can, and ride this wave with the next "new crop of vapers"..

Thank you for your thoughtful response as well. The fact that you made the switch is a step in the right direction for sure. My observations were intended to cause pause and reflection and not sugar coat anything, which IMO we see too much of these days. Soemtimes I don't say what folks want to hear, but I always say things folks need to hear.

Don't feel guilty your part of the new crop ;) we were all there at one point in time. You are doing things right by digging a little deeper than most. Keep up the good work, do your research so you can take informed decisions. The interwebz are full of myths at times.
 

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The interwebz are full of myths at times.

You ain't kiddin'. I read somewhere that Britain had the highest number of tornados per square kilometer of any place on Earth.

(when I related this nugget of misinformation to a UK webpal, she nearly fell out of her chair L-ing her A off...)
 
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I started with premixed juice, and I'm going to be making my own from scratch from now on. I want to make the best decisions I can based on the info that is available, even though it's just speculative.
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As a noobie, I just want to be able to make informed decisions.

Have you tried downloading MSDS sheets on the various identifiable eliquid components? These could be helpful in assessing risks.

I believe Dekang lists individual flavoring molecules used in their liquids, such as linalool (I love that name, lool).

Food processors whose workers are exposed to high concentrations of artificial flavorings have most likely taken steps to provide protection to those employees in cases where health problems arose (thinking of diacetyl as a for instance). Might be some information available in a trade e-zine. FDA could be another source.
 

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+1 Switched. As a chemist I agree totally. Flavors are the biggest risk and uncertainty in vaping. The custard note diketones, aldehydes and similarly reactive compounds have been known to be a problem for food proccessing workers for a long time. Diacetyl is simply the high profile case, and while it is good that flavor suppliers are removing diacetyl, they are likely replacing it with similar compounds. So it may be only the appearance of genuine concern for vapors, and in truth they are banking on our lack of chemical knowledge and mistaken thinking that removing diacetyl will solve the issue entirely. NOT TRUE! Linda is, as far as I can tell, the only one right now with genuine concern and who is doing something about it, and I applaud her wholeheartedly.

It would be one thing if the lung issues that arise are irritation to the tissue. This may happen, but the real problem seems to be that the affected lung tissue just dies, never to regenerate, and it is cumulative and gradual. You may simply experience shortness of breath at first. By the time it is emergent, the only recourse, if you live, is a lung transplant. They cannot treat this. Not trying to scare anyone, but this is what diacetyl has done to food workers, particularly microwave popcorn workers. The other flavor compounds in this class have caused problems too, but I suspect diacetyl became the problem it is because the US microwave popcorn market is so huge.

Meat flavor compounds are also in this class, and so I have no interest in the meat flavors offered by some flavor vendors.

I also suspect someone at some point will be hospitalized due to cinnamon (cinnamaldehyde) inhalation. Cinnamaldehyde is a known lung irritant, and will cause blisters in the mouth, throat, etc. I get nervous when vendors try to see how hot they can make their cinnamon juices, and the health forum here has many posts from people getting sores and difficulty breathing who are surprised that it is likely their Cinnabomb, Cinnacide, or some other hot cinn juice. And this is no more an allergy to cinnamon than blisters from sulfuric acid are an allergy. Its a chemical burn, plain and simple.

I do not have a list of flavors we should not vape, nor is one likely to be readily available (if someone finds one pls post!). I do have criteria for flavors though. If they:

-dry my mouth and throat out a lot,
-create sores,
-cause a lot of coughing,
-cause shortness of breath,
-generate a lot of mucus,

I will not vape it. I have found Linda's flavors in general have the least number of these problems. I do like many Capellas flavors, and took advantage of the current 5 or 3 sale, but a few have caused coughing issues...Milk Choc Toffee is one example, which is too bad since it is delicious. Others may not have issues with it. I also rarely go above 10% flavor, no matter how weak the flavor is, as that will introduce too much PG in the juice, in general.
 
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