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I believe that post was talking about Box Elder. They are no longer in business. Do a search here and you will find a very long thread pertaining to all of that.
Here you go http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on-we-have-problem-nic-titration-results.html
Here you go http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on-we-have-problem-nic-titration-results.html
I have this test kit and I do spot check my nicotine e-Cigarette e-Juice Nicotine Test Kit Bromothymol .12N | eBay
I think I should do one of those tests on some of RTS VG nic, it seems slightly stronger than it should be imo, although that is sort of a good thing 
When I make 12mg liquid, it hits as hard as some 18mg liquids I have, or maybe it's just the stuff I'm adding to the liquid that makes the TH stronger?
When I make 12mg liquid, it hits as hard as some 18mg liquids I have, or maybe it's just the stuff I'm adding to the liquid that makes the TH stronger?
I think I should do one of those tests on some of RTS VG nic, it seems slightly stronger than it should be imo, although that is sort of a good thing
I have been using RTS for over a year now and have not had any come up too high but I encourage you to check yours too. I found that the nic seemed stronger when I started DIY but have suspected that some of the vendor juice that I was buying may have been lower than what I ordered.
TY salemgold. I just started as you know and have wondered if people check levels. I think I will also. Maybe simply one test per nic order. Does that make sense?
Hmm, it might be that the vendors I bought from have lower nic concentrations; seems very plausible. I know that the Rawr Vapor 12 mg Serenity juice is slightly weaker than my 12mg DIY, and I measure with the 1cc syringes. It's noticeably an 12mg-18mg type of discrepancy, although my benchmark is the Rawr Vapor juice so who knows, anyways, if it is 20% more nicotine, that's not a problem for me, I don't have to worry about selling the stuff
As I looked for more info I found that this test is really just for nicotene base liquids. Correct? Not really accurate for testing ready mixed due to flavorings. I hate feeling at a vendors mercy not REALLY knowing what I am getting.
I test all my nicotine when i order it, always has been acurate so far. In regards to what Salem wrote - I too have found this with one particular vendor often in the past. To think of it, i should run a nic test on it just to see.hmmm.
Exactly what got me into DIY.
I think that you can come pretty close with the flavored juice. It has been discussed. Check the threads at the top of the DIY section out. It may be mentioned there.
I started out checking every order but it was all so close that now I only do it here and there. I am pretty sensitive to nic and if I felt that I had a problem or it was too high or low, I would check it.
After that mess with BE, I think that everyone was checking lol It was hard to even find those test kits in stock.
I don't see any major problems anymore, and I have been testing for several vendors and also consumers. RTS, BE, Wizards, MFS, Ecigexpress are all testing very accurate now, and consistently. BE is still in business, BTW, and has clearly stepped up QC (GC-MS analyses on their site for pure nic and nic liquids). Wizards is doing in-house titrations. Everyone was scared out of their minds with the BE debacle in November, and I don't think we will be seeing anything like that again. Might get something 10% high or low, but nothing as dangerous as what I found.
It was not at all limited to BE, many vendors were getting things wrong back then...in fact, it was the norm, its just that people were not really aware. They would say things like wow this 24 mg sure does hit great! And it was actually 30 mg. Hopefully this is all in the past, but I am continuing to test and consult on these matters. Working with an aussie pharmacist now on kits he is producing. Its cool that the entire planet has rallied to this important cause. Good for consumers and good for vendors, since the ones testing are no longer sending out free nic. 10- 25% too high was a very common thing, but for at least the ones I work with, this seems to have been solved.
It was not at all limited to BE, many vendors were getting things wrong back then...in fact, it was the norm, its just that people were not really aware. They would say things like wow this 24 mg sure does hit great! And it was actually 30 mg. Hopefully this is all in the past, but I am continuing to test and consult on these matters. Working with an aussie pharmacist now on kits he is producing. Its cool that the entire planet has rallied to this important cause. Good for consumers and good for vendors, since the ones testing are no longer sending out free nic. 10- 25% too high was a very common thing, but for at least the ones I work with, this seems to have been solved.
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I did not know that they opened back up. I have not had the urge to follow or buy from them since I watched that interview
I never liked their nic anyway because it had that taste that I could never tolerate.
Salem, given what you told me back then, I can understand that. I've always liked BE nic for its sharp taste. vaping it unflavored right now.
Rocketman, I do not know much about the 272 mg nic batch. Of the MANY samples I tested, that was the only one that strong that I got, by a very large margin. Brad and I have discussed it, but not in a lot of detail. He claims he still doesn't know how it happened, and I believe him, but I also wouldn't blame him for trying to protect himself. I have worked with him since then, doing testing and general QC discussions, and from what I can tell he is doing things right. As are many others now.
I am just thankful no one got killed. That 272 mg 30 mL sample is still in my freezer, and its definitely the most famous retail nicotine sample on the planet right now. The sample that changed the industry in this country for the better. Horrible and dangerous mistake, seismic, but one that we all learned from, and finally started the ball rolling for self regulation. And now with decent kits available, the power is more in the consumer's hands, and vendors know this...and welcome it.
Rocketman, I do not know much about the 272 mg nic batch. Of the MANY samples I tested, that was the only one that strong that I got, by a very large margin. Brad and I have discussed it, but not in a lot of detail. He claims he still doesn't know how it happened, and I believe him, but I also wouldn't blame him for trying to protect himself. I have worked with him since then, doing testing and general QC discussions, and from what I can tell he is doing things right. As are many others now.
I am just thankful no one got killed. That 272 mg 30 mL sample is still in my freezer, and its definitely the most famous retail nicotine sample on the planet right now. The sample that changed the industry in this country for the better. Horrible and dangerous mistake, seismic, but one that we all learned from, and finally started the ball rolling for self regulation. And now with decent kits available, the power is more in the consumer's hands, and vendors know this...and welcome it.
I thought same thing, I had RTS VG nic @48 mg, and after cutting it down to 24 it seemed alot stronger than other vendors, so I ordered the test kit and guess what? RTS tested at exactly 48.2 mg which is fine with me. Now I know the other vendor I was getting alot from is not under niccing me lol
kurt,
I was referring to the 'heavy' nic (high density),
not the BE 'Hot' Nic.
dnrtn,
48.2? that's pretty precise.
I was referring to the 'heavy' nic (high density),
not the BE 'Hot' Nic.
dnrtn,
48.2? that's pretty precise.
Oh, the high density nic liquid. Yes, that got solved. Turns out not all pure free-base nic is 1.009 g/mL. Some are significantly higher, around 1.2 g/mL. Why that is I do not know, but it seemed to be the case with one vendor. This was solved by going from using volume and literature density to get mass, to using an analytical balance for all nic masses. Problem solved, that vendor now has liquids that titrate spot on. The high density itself is weird, but if I recall the lab analyses he got for the pure nic also had this density. And it was quite pure nic by the GC-MS. So something is behaving incorrectly, but all my testing supported the premise that the density of purchased pure free-base nic may not be as constant as we had thought.
So the lesson: use mass for pure nic, not volume and density, no matter how convenient and cheap it is.
So did the other nic you had test low? Rocketman is correct, you did not measure 48.2 mg (3 sig figs), you measured 48 mg (2 sig figs) if the acid you used was 0.12 N, or some other 2 sig fig concentration, like 0.11 N.
But I am thrilled you have a test kit and are using it! Good on you!
Ya, we got to make sure no people get seriously hurt or injured from using stuff that vendors or suppliers may mistakenly sell because it's not just harmful to the people using it, but to the entire industry. The last thing I want is the FDA regulating everything. I'm pretty sure if we got more chemists and strong peer-reviews or analyses on new stuff used in vaping, it would be very safe. You can't protect people from themselves but the information should be there.
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