I agree with learning all you can. The particular person im talking about considers himself "pretty smart already" (his words, not mine) and doesnt think he should bother learning anything else. Smh.
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For some reason the previous posts reminded me of the last words of the guy who coined the term, "Ya'll watch this!". 
Hey, now we have an entireky new class to deal with, alternative facts.
Are you sure either you or the doctor didn't confuse ethylene glycol for propylene glycol?
"Ethylene glycol (once used as a component of antifreeze)
Ethylene glycol solutions became available in 1926 and were marketed as "permanent antifreeze" since the higher boiling points provided advantages for summertime use as well as during cold weather. They are used today for a variety of applications, including automobiles, but there are lower-toxicity alternatives made with propylene glycol available.
Poisoning
Main article: Ethylene glycol poisoning
Ethylene glycol is poisonous to humans and other animals, and should be handled carefully and disposed of properly. Its sweet taste can lead to accidental ingestion or allow its deliberate use as a murder weapon. Ethylene glycol is difficult to detect in the body, and causes symptoms—including intoxication, severe ........, and vomiting—that can be confused with other illnesses or diseases. Its metabolism produces calcium oxalate, which crystallizes in the brain, heart, lungs, and kidneys, damaging them; depending on the level of exposure, accumulation of the poison in the body can last weeks or months before causing death, but death by acute kidney failure can result within 72 hours if the individual does not receive appropriate medical treatment for the poisoning. Some ethylene glycol antifreeze mixtures contain an embittering agent, such as denatonium, to discourage accidental or deliberate consumption.
Propylene glycol[component now used in antifreeze]
Propylene glycol is considerably less toxic than ethylene glycol and may be labeled as "non-toxic antifreeze". It is used as antifreeze where ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing systems or in water pipes in homes where incidental ingestion may be possible. For example, the FDA allows propylene glycol to be added to a large number of processed foods, including ice cream, frozen custard, salad dressings, and baked goods, and it is commonly used as the main ingredient in the "e-liquid" used in electronic cigarettes."
Early anti-vaping propaganda references to e-cigarettes having antifreeze chemicals is only partially true. Yes, e-liquid has the modern non-toxic chemical propylene glycol, but not the older toxic chemical ethylene glycol. It's all about chemistry, baby.
You can now tell your know-it-all doctor friend he needs to brush up on his chemistry.
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Yesterday at work I exhaled a puff within range of a misinformed co-worker. He had that "omg I'm gonna inhale deadly toxins" look so I said "a little fog to enhance the moaning sound of the water pipes" to which he said "but the pipes aren't burning" to which I said "neither is that fog you see". He said "oil burns". I said "good thing my vape juice isn't oil then". He said "yes it is".
Umm never mind. This is the same dude that swears vape juice has more TAR than tobacco.
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Umm never mind. This is the same dude that swears vape juice has more TAR than tobacco.
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Your vape juice apparently has more brains in it than he does.
when my doctor retired I had to find a new one. I got the anti-freeze garbage when I told him I vape. I kept the doctor but straightened him out right there and then. Hopefully it sank in and he is no longer spreading the lies/half truths. I know the next time I saw him he again asked me if I smoke. Again, I said, no I vape. He said oh right, I remember now.Are you sure either you or the doctor didn't confuse ethylene glycol for propylene glycol?
"Ethylene glycol (once used as a component of antifreeze)
Ethylene glycol solutions became available in 1926 and were marketed as "permanent antifreeze" since the higher boiling points provided advantages for summertime use as well as during cold weather. They are used today for a variety of applications, including automobiles, but there are lower-toxicity alternatives made with propylene glycol available.
Poisoning
Main article: Ethylene glycol poisoning
Ethylene glycol is poisonous to humans and other animals, and should be handled carefully and disposed of properly. Its sweet taste can lead to accidental ingestion or allow its deliberate use as a murder weapon. Ethylene glycol is difficult to detect in the body, and causes symptoms—including intoxication, severe ........, and vomiting—that can be confused with other illnesses or diseases. Its metabolism produces calcium oxalate, which crystallizes in the brain, heart, lungs, and kidneys, damaging them; depending on the level of exposure, accumulation of the poison in the body can last weeks or months before causing death, but death by acute kidney failure can result within 72 hours if the individual does not receive appropriate medical treatment for the poisoning. Some ethylene glycol antifreeze mixtures contain an embittering agent, such as denatonium, to discourage accidental or deliberate consumption.
Propylene glycol[component now used in antifreeze]
Propylene glycol is considerably less toxic than ethylene glycol and may be labeled as "non-toxic antifreeze". It is used as antifreeze where ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing systems or in water pipes in homes where incidental ingestion may be possible. For example, the FDA allows propylene glycol to be added to a large number of processed foods, including ice cream, frozen custard, salad dressings, and baked goods, and it is commonly used as the main ingredient in the "e-liquid" used in electronic cigarettes."
Early anti-vaping propaganda references to e-cigarettes having antifreeze chemicals is only partially true. Yes, e-liquid has the modern non-toxic chemical propylene glycol, but not the older toxic chemical ethylene glycol. It's all about chemistry, baby.
You can now tell your know-it-all doctor friend he needs to brush up on his chemistry.
All we can really do is set folks straight when the opportunity comes along. Some will listen and learn. Others are unwilling to hear and accept the truth.
Never in the history of mankind has the truth been so easy to find .
Never before in the history of mankind has mankind been so unwilling to seek the truth.
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Yep. There is a lot of serious misinformation floating around. The only thing to do is combat it as a public service if nothing else.
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