The important point about PG is, the individual that's ingesting it. Considering the massive quantities one must eat before its toxic, one might generally say that its safe. However, that's not to say the certain individuals aren't sensitive to it or worse, allergic. As for myself, one month into vaping, I've found that PG is way to irritating. This has lead me to vape 10% PG / 90% VG. I'll also add that I did a brief test, vaping 100% PG to find out if in fact this was what was bothering me about my e-juice (and it was). Oh and, do you know what 100% PG smells like? Cold cream skin moisturizer. As a child I had allergic asthma and would gag on the smell of cold cream. So, the bottom line is, there's no one safety answer to apply to everyone.
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I don't think anyone doubts that some people may have mild adverse reactions to PG, but that is a FAR CRY from the claims that it destroys kidneys and is worse than smoking in general to everyone.
It’s FUD of course. People conflating old fashioned antifreeze with modern antifreeze and then AGAIN conflating modern antifreeze with PG. I’d chalk it up to simple human stupidity except there are people making lots of money off it.
More doctors smoke Camel than any other brand.
Ring a bell? I don't wanna offend any doctor if we have any in here, but yeah... They sometimes do cause problems too you know. It is known...
Agree. 10+ years of vaping history isn't really enough to determine whether more vapor is safe or not. We all hope that vaping is completely safe, but time will tell. It's certainly magnitudes better than smoking, but how will vapers fare in health grades after 10 to 20 years vs people who quit smoking without vaping?
Quitting cigarettes cold turkey is certainly better than continued use of vapor, but most of us who smoked liked the actions of smoking. Vaping replicates the habit with what we think is a safe substitute. That doesn't mean it's completely benign. There's not enough history at this time to completely evaluate long term risks.
After the Great and Ultimate Climate Change of 2042 the only people who didnt freeze to death in the northern hemisphere were a bunch of elderly hardcore vapers. Even though they were very very cold decades of vaping antifreeze prevented them from freezing to death
The 480,000 in the US and 6 million in the world dying of smoking every year would disagree that PG is more dangerous.
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I don't know why so many people refer to vape juice as "oil". Pg is derived from petroleum, but petroleum is a combination of plant and animal remains and the products are refined into the appropriate end products. PG is now made from plant material.
Kicking the Oil Habit: Making Propylene Glycol from Plants
That and their increased levels of flatulence due to advanced age kept their butts from freezing to the chairs
I think it's a mental picture more than anything. It's like they think we're inhaling strawberry flavored kerosene. Add in some dumbass carrying lipo batteries in a pocket filled with keys and then their mod vents and they've got the perfect fear factor that big tobacco can easily exploit through misinformation
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Worst part of those were there never was a definitive defect found as a cause. It just happened. People forget that.
This made me google the 787 battery fire. I thought that they had that one figured out, but you’re right. 5 fires in 5 days is nothing to sneeze at either.
Boeing 787 Dreamliner battery problems - Wikipedia
If I’m reading it right, The final report blames the battery manufacturing company for a manufacturing process that allowed for the possibility of uninspectable defects, combined with not rigorous enough testing by the airplane company. Lithium batteries apparently can blow up from the tiniest flaws. Or something. Pretty vague.
Since this thread seems to have gotten quite random, I quick story. Told a couple of people at work that I just bought a vape. They both showed me a Facebook e-mail stating that someone locally had a vape blow up in their pants pocket, picture included of charred pants and leg. The e-mail stated that they went to the local hospital but, had to be transferred to a regional burn center. I immediately thought it was fishy. I went home and searched facebook and found that it happened 1500 miles away and over three months ago. Shall I quote PT Barnum?
I suppose that most battery fires and explosions result from people who haven't educated themselves on the proper way to use the product. Lithium cells are a potential nightmare if shorted. All it takes to be safe is to use a plastic battery box if you want to transport a cell.
I pocket carry my mods all the time and the fire button is a concern on some mods, but I don't carry those in a pants pocket. I also lock the fire button to prevent pocket actuation of the mod. Yes, it's a hassle to 5 click the fire button before and after using it, but it's the price to pay for safety.
There's lots of potential safety issues with anything that uses a lithium cell. Education is key to safety. Some cars and trucks are known rollover hazards, but not if you drive conservatively and know the limitations of the vehicle.
I pocket carry my mods all the time and the fire button is a concern on some mods, but I don't carry those in a pants pocket. I also lock the fire button to prevent pocket actuation of the mod. Yes, it's a hassle to 5 click the fire button before and after using it, but it's the price to pay for safety.
There's lots of potential safety issues with anything that uses a lithium cell. Education is key to safety. Some cars and trucks are known rollover hazards, but not if you drive conservatively and know the limitations of the vehicle.
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