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I am on celexa too, but I need a much larger dose than I have. Wishing I could go back to the dr. Everyone definately notices when I'm off my meds. Even on them, I am having a hard time lately. My father is a 'functional' alcoholic and Rx drug addict who was extreamly abusive growing up. My mother cannot/won't function without him. She's OCD, anxiety, co-dependant, ect... I grew up in a nightmare. I went to college at 17, got married as soon as I was 18 to what I thought was my knight in shining armor. Turned out he was extreamly psychotic, dangerous and abusive. Got out of that eventually, have tried hard to get my life together, almost succeded! Got some training, got a job, bought a house, put myself through school, got my nursing degree.... then I found a nice boring sane man, got pregnant, got very sick, had the munchkin, got sicker. Now here I am, depressed, dependant and stuck. I don't blame anyone for my life but me and the choices I've made. I've just got to find the intestinal fortitude to get myself back up and heading forward again. I get depressed and anxiety issues. I just act like a rabbit. I freeze totally, just hoping the bad thing will not see me. Will pass me by instead of pouncing.
 

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It is amazing how dependence makes us feel like crap. Especially after being able to do some big things for ourselves. And the rabbit thing is a great analogy.
Since I got married and had my last kid I have become kind of dependent on my husband and it doesn't feel as nice as I thought it would. Now I am trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up before my youngest gets into school. The sucky thing is that the depression doesn't make me want to do anything to fix the problem.
 

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problem is I already know what I want to be, and I already have the education & qualifications! And with the depression, i STILL painted myself into a corner! That took talent. And I sit here, depressed, immobile and overwhelmed. I know when I 'wake up' from this bout, I will be kicking myself heartily for being such a doofus.
I have long described what it feel like when the depression episode is coming. It's like watching a storm front coming in. You feel the pressure change, you see the clouds coming in, it gets dark. You know it's going to be bad, and there isn't a darn thing you can do about it but wait it out.
 

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Wow! Reading this thread, there are so many people that I can identify with. When I was a teenager, I would go through occasional "bouts" of depression for "no reason". I finished high school, college, and graduate school with occasional bouts of depression. (I started smoking at 18 years old and by 19 years old, I was smoking a pack a day. No problem at the time, cigarettes were about $5 a carton at the time. :laugh:)

In my early thirties, I was diagnosed with a "mild case" of an "annoying skin condition". I was reassured by my dermatologist that he had seen people who had it a lot worse! By that times, I was "job hopping" finding out what I wanted to do when I grew up. I was intelligent with many "talents". About that time, I had to come face to face with my past. I finally came to terms with the fact that what I had thought of a strict discipline was actually physical abuse. That although I loved my mother, she was manipulative, co-dependent, and she was also anxious, depressed, not in very good health, and unable to "cope" with the children that she had. So she "farmed out" her children to friends and relatives, during which time I was repeatedly molested. I'm not an adult child of an alcoholic--but she was. The stress of my life was making my skin condition worse--and more painful. But I had other issues and didn't want anyone to know about it. By this time, I had found out that what I had had no cure. But I could still function most of the time. (I told myself that what I was experiencing wasn't depression and I could handle the skin thing.)

I was living in northern California. I had found that I loved my mother, but that it was much easier to love her from afar. :laugh: She was so manipulating and controlling. But she could be wonderful in short doses. My mother passed away almost 8 years ago. She was finally in peace and without pain. She had already had one foot amputated because of diabetes. And her health was failing. The depression in California just kept getting worse and worse. A doctor tried me on an antidepressant that was a nightmare! I endured it for as long as I could. She sent me to another doctor who tried me on a different one. That didn't help. I decided that I was through with doctors and their "happy pills". I felt that the answer would be to move closer to "home". Katrina and Rita had just hit Louisiana with Rita making a direct hit at "home". Everything was still in shambles there 2 years later. When I talked to my sister about it, she suggested that I move to NW Arkansas where the employment situation was "better" and the economy was "booming". I would also be able to be close to her daughter (my niece) My niece (who is manic depressive) was in her manic stage when I left California. .So, I packed up all that I could pack into a rental car and crossed halfway across the country to get here. But a couple of months later, she went into her depressive stage. All of this time, the HS got worse, the depression got worse, the pain got worse, the job market was abysmal here for someone my age. I've had two jobs since moving here and was laid off from both of them in less than a year each. The HS got worse, and more painful. By that time, I had lived with chronic pain for a few years. I still didn't recognize that I was depressed...it was my situation. After I had been living here for almost 3 years, I went into "crisis mode". I was sent by ambulance to a hospital in Little Rock and put on "suicide watch" for 36 hours. I was given a "patch" for the nicotine addiction. Not only did they start me on antidepressants but they looked at the HS. They agreed that it was about the worse case that they had ever seen. But after 36 hours without a cigarette, I demanded that they take me off of suicide watch. They did, and released me the next day with a prescription for Celexa and one for antibiotics. My niece was furious at me that I hadn't stayed where they could help me! I made my way back "home" to NW Arkansas. Relations with my niece were "strained" at best. Then she got into a "manic" phase again. Within about 3 months of my release from the hospital, she left her husband, took her daughter, and went to live with a "friend". They wanted to move back to Louisiana to be close to family. Fortunately, the Celexa was working for me although the antibiotics did no good. Then, my niece moved and left town without telling me. Now, I knew no one within a few hundred miles except her ex. And 2 former co-workers that I had managed (more or less) to maintain a relationship although spotty. Like NightHawk, I tended to avoid possibly bad situations until there was no other recourse than to do SOMETHING. I called social security, and they sent me my papers for disability which I was afraid to fill out. So, someone called me to "interview" me personally. Then they sent me release forms to sign so that they could get information from the hospital. Contacting a lawyer was out of the question. Too "traumatic" and because of the HS, I pretty much only got out to buy cigarettes and go to therapy where I brought up childhood issues, but never talked about the pain. God was with me the whole time, though. I was approved on disability about 6 months after I had applied for the first time! I started getting disability this summer. The meds seem to be working, but were doing nothing to address the pain. I realized a few weeks ago that the depression would never go away as long as I was suffering chronic pain for a condition that is incurable and only progresses. "On a "lark, I did an internet search for my condition to see if there was anything new as far as treatment went. I struck gold! I found a natural supplement online that promised to bring at least partial relief. It's not a pain killer. It actually causes the lesions to shrink and eventually go away--thus reducing the pain. There is no cure, but I haven't been at this low of a level of pain in at least 10 years! I talked to my "therapy group" about a week later about my condition. They didn't have a clue how much I had been suffering. Emboldened, after the session, I went and bought my first e-cig. (I had been told for years that if I quit smoking that it would at least lessen the effects of the disease. I had thought no way, Jose! I'm not giving up my only source of comfort!!) The e-cig that I bought at the store was a piece of "doo-doo". But, it gave me enough of an idea of what it might do if I had a better system. So, I joined the forum, looked around, and ordered a real PV. (although the battery life sucks). So I invested in more paraphernalia which should arrive this week and give me more impetus to drop the analogs completely! Woohoo! God's fingerprints are all over this! Finding this forum, discovering the e-cigs, and everything. Just wow!! I would have never believed at this time last year that this would be happening!! I haven't shared about the e-cigs with the family yet. When I get to see them, I want them to see that I'm completely analog free! (and mostly pain free). I imagine they will see that if they worked for me, they would work for ANY of them! I'm the family "chimney", hence the username. :laugh: And they'll be convinced that the Lord MUST be coming back soon!!

This post is a LOT longer than I expected it to be. Sorry, if I droned on...but I'm jazzed!
 
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Well it's been said that talking is good for the soul. Let's see if it's good for depression. If nothing else, it'll keep everyone interacting.
Please answer and explain. If you prefer to answer in the Private Room, feel free to do so, but let us know that you did.

There times that I feel miserable and sad?
1. No, not at all.
2. No, not much.
3. Yes, sometimes.
4. Yes, definitely

Yes, DEFINITELY

Well, now that's out of the way. I just wanted to say I'm so glad to have found ECF. First, this forum has really helped me win the battle with analogs (so far) and second, I've found a support group for depressed ex-smokers!

I first tried a cigarette when I was 6, curtesy of my babysitter. I think I remember liking it :(

I started smoking occasionally when I was 13, after my depression first started big time. I never knew cigs contained anti-depressants, you would think one of my Dr's might have mentioned it, especially since awareness can be a powerful thing. I think it would have answered alot of questions for me.

For me depression was the deep set belief that I was worthless and should have never been born. I was adopted and that feeling of being unwanted convinced me that I was a waste of space. I beleived these things with all my heart. I often had pain in my chest like a black hole opening inside my body. Everything good got sucked in.

My parents had no clue what was wrong with me and while they may have had the best of intentions they screwed the pooch. According to them, I never reached my potential, my ideas were stupid and unfeasible. And if I made my dad angry (and I did, alot) he would just ignore me for several weeks or until I humbly apologized. He was not a nice man and still isn't. I was also an avid swimmer and skiier. So apparently, for me, exercise did NOT help.

I really started smoking in earnest when I was 16, and I was like a herion junkie. I stole cigarettes if I needed to and picked used ones out of ashtrays. That was when my depression was at the point that I was crying nightly. I've always been (and still am) super sensitive. When really bad things happen in the world I get emotionally unstable. Anxious, sad, hopeless.

I grew up in NY and people there can be really negative. It would rub off on me. Additionally, I lived in a wealthier suburb, and people were so caught up in owning expensive things and trying to outdo the 'Jones' that I felt there was no true purpose in life. If all it meant was that I had to earn enough money to show up my neighbor what was the point!

When I finally went to college I was miserable and unsuccessful. So I dropped out and moved to Montana with a guy. He soon discovered I was crazy and kicked me out. I hitchhiked to Colorado and found a job at a ski resort that provided housing. That begin the happiest and craziest period of my life. I skiied everyday, had a great boyfriend, but I was still depressed, and now that I think back probably manic too.

I changed boyfriends and quit my job and moved to Leadville. I smoked alot of an illicit substance and began hitchhiking everywhere. I must be the luckiest person alive because nothing bad ever happened.

I made some great friends that I kept for several years (until I outgrew them) and went back to school in Ft Collins. (In the interim I also lived in a National forest for three months, got a dog, hitchhiked to Oregon, then to California, the dog was run over and killed so I took a bus back to Colorado, stopping in Salt Lake City to commiserate with a college friend).

See what I mean by manic... :facepalm: crazy bad decision making skills!

In Ft Collins I started drinking heavily and going out every night. I was extremely careless sexually and put myself in several unhealthy positions. I was worthless so what did it really matter?

That's when I decided that my life sucked and I wanted to change it. So I read a ton of books and begin to try rerouting my brain. Everytime I would have a negative thought or feeling I would try to counter it with something positive. It sort of worked, but it didn't really start working until my husband was diagnosed with stage 3 Hodgekin's Disease (sorry, I forgot to mention that I got married in there).

We had just bought a house and had our first child 8 months earlier. I finally got him to see a Dr. about his hideous cough and Wham! So he went on chemo and then radiation and he got really angry. He eventually became violent, but that's another story... We lost the house and faced major poverty. His illness and the events that followed really forced me to focus on the positive things in life no matter how small. It was a lesson I had desparately needed, if only I could have held onto it for longer.

Unfortunately, the lesson began to fade. We eventually divorced (the whole violence thing) and that lead to more depression. But I did manage to pull myself out of it with a great counselor and a "one foot in front of the other" mantra.

My two boys and I eventually had to move back in with my parents (more depression this time debilitating. I couldn't do anything). But I tried to remember my lesson and my mantra and managed to cope with that one as well.

More recently, I was laid off, found another job (luckily), and then was fired because I didn't agree with the corporate culture of public ridicule (flippin' hedge fund). They literally had a public 'issue log' where posters would detail each others mistakes and try to discover why those mistakes were made (the root cause). It all seemed petty and mean to me..., but it really messed with my self-confidence, so my spiral into depressive thoughts began and only deepened when I was fired. On one hand I was relieved, but on the other I was a failure again!!!

This most recent bout of depression has been the longest since I was a teenager. I couldn't do anything, then I hurt my back again, and my house became a major trash pit. I mean I literally could not take out the trash because of my back. Ugh, that was disgusting... I had back surgery and began recovery, but the depression continued.

I saw my Dr. and finally tried some prescribed anti-depressants. I wish I could say they are great, but while I think I'm over the major hump, I'm still fairly unmotivated to do anything. My back Dr. prescribed me some nerve pain blockers (non-narcotic, think more like the stuff they prescribe for fibromyalgia) that had the happy side effect of being an anti-anxiety med too, so that has helped.

Not smoking really makes me feel like I am accomplishing something. That I am successful. And success begets more success. That success has given me the strength to get to the point where I select one goal for the day and try to get it done. So far so good, now I have to get to the point where I am ready to add more goals. I'm almost there.

So I say thanks e-cigs, thanks ECF, and thanks jj2!!! :)

Sorry about the life story thing, but apparently sharing with strangers is easy and a major weakness I've always had...
 

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Not smoking really makes me feel like I am accomplishing something. That I am successful. And success begets more success. That success has given me the strength to get to the point where I select one goal for the day and try to get it done. So far so good, now I have to get to the point where I am ready to add more goals. I'm almost there.

WOW! You are so brave and strong! you have done so many things, took on huge challenges, worked though some major crud! You are really on your way! The antidepressants do take a long time to really work, 4-6 weeks. I dont notice a whole big night/day difference in myself when I am on or off of them, but other people notice a big difference in me. It helps knock off the worst of it and helps me be able to deal with the rest of it.
Hang in there! Keep fighting! Happiness is possible, even for the chronically depressed. (((hugs!)))
 

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WOW! You are so brave and strong! you have done so many things, took on huge challenges, worked though some major crud! You are really on your way! The antidepressants do take a long time to really work, 4-6 weeks. I dont notice a whole big night/day difference in myself when I am on or off of them, but other people notice a big difference in me. It helps knock off the worst of it and helps me be able to deal with the rest of it.
Hang in there! Keep fighting! Happiness is possible, even for the chronically depressed. (((hugs!)))

That's the thing with depression though. I never feel brave or strong, usually the opposite. When the lack of motivation sets in I feel lazy too! I do hate depression, so I try to fight it most of the time. This time it won the battle for now. I plan on getting out from under ASAP. Usually, I do well when I have a job and I'm successful at work. It really builds my self-confidence to the point where I can talk myself out of crazy negativity.
Thanks for the support, it's nice to know people out there understand without me feeling like the nutcase :) :)
 

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Not smoking really makes me feel like I am accomplishing something. That I am successful. And success begets more success. That success has given me the strength to get to the point where I select one goal for the day and try to get it done. So far so good, now I have to get to the point where I am ready to add more goals. I'm almost there.

WOW! You are so brave and strong! you have done so many things, took on huge challenges, worked though some major crud! You are really on your way! The antidepressants do take a long time to really work, 4-6 weeks. I dont notice a whole big night/day difference in myself when I am on or off of them, but other people notice a big difference in me. It helps knock off the worst of it and helps me be able to deal with the rest of it.
Hang in there! Keep fighting! Happiness is possible, even for the chronically depressed. (((hugs!)))

Yes I agree !
Another thing I wanted to comment about is the one foot in front of the other . My house became a train wreck, when I "went on strike" , uhh... I mean had a bought with major depression. Now I just dont touch anything LOL just kidding. But seriously, I found this website once, it was for overwhelmed people who were in a mess with thier house and clutter , etc. They suggested we don't try to tackle to much at once because we never make it happen and we don't want to fail. So they suggested doing things for 15 minutes at a time only. pick a drawer , corner , section of any place and work on it 15 minutes only . Then you move to another place for 15 minutes. It realy does work wonders. Shoot even if you have to do things for 10 minutes depending on your back pain , etc.. There is another website that does this same thing called the flylady.com I love that site.
 

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I am wondering if I am having some depression lately that has to do with my counseling.
I have been seeing a counselor for about 5 months now ( 3rd time , 3 rd counselor) Anyway it seems like I am actually getting some where with this one BUT I hate finally seeing (or actually paying attention to) what has caused most of this crap I go through. I mean knowing and finally coming to terms with it. It feels good to know I am not nuts because now I know why I do what I do . But on the other hand it makes me sad or maybe depressed that I know these things now and have to try and fix them. Like maybe it is easier for me to be co dependent . Or maybe it is easier for me to allow people to walk on me . I like being nice and I don't like telling people what I really think (when it is bad) or want because I don't want to be labeled a beeotch. I was having a break through moment a weekend ago and said what I thought and got a little over zealous in the wording and BAM my bonus daughter tells me she thinks counseling is making me more crazy LOL. Sad thing is , I think she meant more raggy not crazy. Does this make any sense?
 

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I am wondering if I am having some depression lately that has to do with my counseling.
I have been seeing a counselor for about 5 months now ( 3rd time , 3 rd counselor) Anyway it seems like I am actually getting some where with this one BUT I hate finally seeing (or actually paying attention to) what has caused most of this crap I go through. I mean knowing and finally coming to terms with it. It feels good to know I am not nuts because now I know why I do what I do . But on the other hand it makes me sad or maybe depressed that I know these things now and have to try and fix them. Like maybe it is easier for me to be co dependent . Or maybe it is easier for me to allow people to walk on me . I like being nice and I don't like telling people what I really think (when it is bad) or want because I don't want to be labeled a beeotch. I was having a break through moment a weekend ago and said what I thought and got a little over zealous in the wording and BAM my bonus daughter tells me she thinks counseling is making me more crazy LOL. Sad thing is , I think she meant more raggy not crazy. Does this make any sense?

Definitely makes sense to me. After a session I always wanted to cry (and usually did). Dealing with these things is PAINFUL. I think it's perfectly normal to be more upset / raggy after a session or while in therapy. For me it always got worse before it got better and I usually dreaded going until things started to get better. I'm the semi pro-active type (when I'm not completely unmotivated), so I always tried to find a counselor who gave me tools for improving my overall mental health. That gave me something to focus on during the week and helped prevent me from obsessing on all my 'faults'.
 

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I am at that point with my house. It's a disaster! like get a shovel disaster. again. It's been like this about a year off and on. ok 2years. I got physically incapacitated, then depressed kinda been running in that circle for way too long. Doesn't help when I'm not the one making the dang mess and no one will clean a blessed thing. I hate it. I'm going to look at that website, I need it! Thanks Nyxie! and yes dear, counseling can make things a wee bit worse for a little bit. sort of like lancing an abcess. it might look alll pretty and healed on the top, but you gotta open it up and clean out the mess if it's really going to get better. Short term it's 'worse', but it actually is better.
Hugs for all of us! we are survivors and we're fighting as best we can!
 

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Found this forum from a link in another forum. Thanks for creating it. It's somewhat comforting to know I'm not the only one out there with this problem. In my day-to-day life it seems like it. I get no support from anyone because apparently my depression doesn't exist. "It's all in your head" um... yea it is, thanks for noticing.

My depression is chemical. At 35 the only pains I suffer from are concidered normal or depression related. Yep, those Cymbalta commercials are right: Depression Hurts.
I've been depressed for years. Since my teens I've been struggling with the "I don't care" attitude along with the "I'm too tired", "I don't want to", and "Does it matter?" Top it off I get anxiety attacks that cripple me. I'd rather crawl in bed than deal with life. And now it's November and my Seasonal Affective Disorder is kicking in: Hibernation Time! If only I could get away with it. I live with my Mom, my 16yr old daughter, my 4yr old son, and my 40yr old husband who's not dealing with his own problems. Yea, we're not doing too good. And my father past away in July. I've got responsibilties that I have to do daily and it's hard to get those done. I cook dinner every night, clean up after my son & husband, do laundry for the whole house.
I too have the caged animal feeling much of the time. I'd rather be in bed right now asleep and away from the world than cooking dinner like I am right now.

Medications themselves area now a problem since I apparently am sensitive to drugs. Side effects are annoying and most outweigh the benefits of the meds. The psychiatrist around here don't like listening to an educated patient. They like those patients who just take their meds & shut up. They feel this "magic drug of the month" will cure all my problems, if it doesn't, they just up the dose regardless of the effects.

As you can tell, I'm currently stuck in a depressive rut. I'm trying, and that's the best I can do for now.
 
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