diacetyl

[redgirl]

Just wanted to bring to everyone's attention this thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uppliers-remove-diacetyl-their-e-liquids.html

I know it's a lot to read, but it's basically asking information about trying to disclose if any diacetyl is in juice, more specifically, flavorings that vendors use. I know I have been guilty of using these flavorings, and from now on I am going to try to avoid them if possible. Just for your reference, there is a list of which flavors contain diacetyl in scubabatdan's calculator under "Flavor list for drop-downs":

https://www.filesanywhere.com/fs/v.aspx?v=89716a8960646eb99c6c

It's gonna be tough, especially trying to avoid juices where you have no idea what flavors vendors use.

Don't want to freak anyone out, just want everyone to be more informed as to what you're putting into your body. Up to your discretion, and the jury is still out as to exactly how harmful it can be, but better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Automaton]

Before I say this, I want to be clear that I'm in no way against disclosure, or anything you said really, Redgirl. Suppliers should disclose, and people should make informed choices.

But at this point in time there is ZERO evidence that diacetyl in the amounts we vape is harmful. The lowest dose of diacetyl that has been found to be harmful is 100 times higher than the diacetyl content found in any e-juice, even straight-up butter e-juice.

There is also no evidence that diacetyl substitutes are any safer. Although, again, that may be a moot point since there is no evidence diacetyl is harmful in these concentrations in the first place.

I really think it's premature to be warning people about something that appears to be a non-issue. And until I see a study proving otherwise, there is no reason for me to wary of it.

Some good vendors are getting trashed over something that is probably harmless.

 

[redgirl]

I understand Mistress. There is no proof either way. I am not one to slam any vendor at all. I just think it's better to have the information out there and let people make informed decisions for themselves, is all.

 

[Automaton]

I understand Mistress. There is no proof either way. I am not one to slam any vendor at all. I just think it's better to have the information out there and let people make informed decisions for themselves, is all.

I understand, but unfortunately the thread has turned into a witch hunt, with a lot of people making statements they can't support.

I'm not saying you are - I haven't seen you pick up a torch. But a lot of the stuff in that thread is extremely misleading, and it would easy for someone to read the alarm-ism without getting far enough into the thread to see the hard facts some people are posting - which are then getting trashed by the alarmists.

It's just turned into a very negative thread with a lot of misconceptions in it.

 

[redgirl]

I just think it's better to have people know about it than be kept in the dark, even if the alarmists are running rampant in that thread. I've always been one to question what I read and don't take anything at face value. Yes, people are spouting off on either side of the issue, but take it for what it's worth and make your own decision. I had to read between the lines a lot while looking at that thread and I'd hope that others would do that as well.

 

[Automaton]

Yeah, I suppose I didn't post in it, although I read most of it. Really didn't want to get myself embroiled in that fry. But, actual information is in there, scattered between the "teams."

Handy dandy list for our DIY'ers, though. Thanks for posting it here, and there.

 

[PowerofParanoia]

I'll probably hide quietly on the safe side until someone comes up with some definitive proof of whether or not it's safe to vape.

But then again, I'm paranoid. Hence the screen-name.

 

[bassthumper]

Wasn't this put to rest a couple of months ago?

The amounts of diacetyl in our e-liquids ISN'T ENOUGH TO HARM YOU.
If you are scared of your liquids now, can I have them?

if you're not gonna vape them, I sure will!

I mean, isn't there cyanide in analogs? I mean gimme a break-- sorry but I'm tired of seeing the same damned topics of fear-mongering coming up over and over again. ya'll can get scared all you want.

 

[redgirl]

Wasn't this put to rest a couple of months ago?

The amounts of diacetyl in our e-liquids ISN'T ENOUGH TO HARM YOU.
If you are scared of your liquids now, can I have them?

if you're not gonna vape them, I sure will!

I mean, isn't there cyanide in analogs? I mean gimme a break-- sorry but I'm tired of seeing the same damned topics of fear-mongering coming up over and over again. ya'll can get scared all you want.

I'm not trying to scare anyone. Geez! What's wrong with putting some information out there for more people to see and decide for themselves? Not fear mongering in the least. Yeah, there was horrible crap in analogs and a majority of us have quit them. But a lot of people are trying to improve their health and giving them an option to avoid diacetyl if they choose to do so should be put out there.

You don't have to believe everything that you read and there are no concrete studies done in regards to vaping and diacetyl.

 

[RippleInStillWater]

Is FoxNews posting now? I heard fear-mongering so I made the assumption!

We really don't want to know what's in our food, booze, or meds, so why the big concern over what goes in our lungs? Most of us risked cancer for years already, the damage has been done, and analogs contained a lot worse. Just my

I enjoy being oblivious though!

 

[sensay]

Well I want to thank you redgirl, I rarely leave pif and would have been uninformed other wise. I value knowing all the information then deciding for myself.

 

[PowerofParanoia]

Wasn't this put to rest a couple of months ago?

The amounts of diacetyl in our e-liquids ISN'T ENOUGH TO HARM YOU.
If you are scared of your liquids now, can I have them?

if you're not gonna vape them, I sure will!

I mean, isn't there cyanide in analogs? I mean gimme a break-- sorry but I'm tired of seeing the same damned topics of fear-mongering coming up over and over again. ya'll can get scared all you want.

Well, redgirl wasn't trying to scare anyone, she was just putting information out there that someone else had already posted.
I also don't really understand why you seem so upset. What does it matter to you if someone would rather "play it safe".

Sure most of us smoked analogues knowing the possible risks, but it seems pretty prevalent in the vaping community that people are here to get healthier using PV's as an alternative.

There's nothing wrong with wanting minimal risk in vaping. I mean, sure, some people are going about it the wrong way and flipping out about the whole thing, but you're on a forum. You can pick and choose what you read and reply to. If you think the conversation is only going to frustrate you, why reply to it at all?

I sure don't have any diacetyl in my liquids, but that's because I DIY with lorann's and TPA.

Anyway, what I was trying to get at is "don't blame the messenger". lol.

 

[PowerofParanoia]

Well I want to thank you redgirl, I rarely leave pif and would have been uninformed other wise. I value knowing all the information then deciding for myself.

Agreed.
Thanks Redgirl.

 

[markfm]

enjuice in the UK has: Diacetyl
Small background writeup, freely acknowledges the lack of studies regarding just what is a safe level, it appears reasonably rational.
If other liquid makers could come up with something like the enjuice info that might be useful. Let people know what's there, acknowledge there's controversy, then let the market decide.
(No way I'm drudging through the big flamethrower threads, just aren't that useful to me, though I did read Nik's post last night.)

On the plus side -- kudos to all for this one diacetyl thread staying short

 

[the_larch]

After reading all 46 pages in the referred to thread I'd like to chime in...

Someone owes me about an hour of my life back!

The witchhunt/supplier slamming/misinformation being passed off as fact/holier than thou attitudes that I read through were ridiculous!

 

[PowerofParanoia]

After reading all 46 pages in the referred to thread I'd like to chime in...

Someone owes me about an hour of my life back!

The witchhunt/supplier slamming/misinformation being passed off as fact/holier than thou attitudes that I read through were ridiculous!

I got to page 5 and quit

You're a god for being able to get through it all.

 

[Eekaa Chu]

I'll probably hide quietly on the safe side until someone comes up with some definitive proof of whether or not it's safe to vape.

But then again, I'm paranoid. Hence the screen-name.

Can I hide on the safe side with you? The mean people in the other thread scare me.

 

[UntamedRose]

Glad to see FF butter is good to go......was kinda worried about that one.

 

[PowerofParanoia]

Can I hide on the safe side with you? The mean people in the other thread scare me.

I don't mind.
I have some cookies we can share while we hide.

 

[acidrayne280]

thanks redgirl. i would never have known.

PowerofParanoia: so are you saying that the safe side has cookies? i thought it was the dark side that had cookies.