Do you agree or disagree?

[ACM]

That's absurd on its face. The flavorings in Lorann, Flavorart and the like have been used in food for decades.

Safe for ingestion is not the same as safe for inhalation. No food flavoring has been tested for the lungs.

Listing the chemicals in e-juice is a totally valid, logical idea. It provides consumers with the ability to choose for themselves what they want to risk inhaling. Big tobacco was never required to list the chemicals in cigarettes, and we now know how many of them were known carcinogens. If e-juice manufacturers list the chemicals in THEIR product, they are doing more than just informing consumers. They are making a statement that they believe in full disclosure, thus supporting the belief that their products are safer than cigarettes AND they are diffusing the power of the FDA to claim that "what we don't know WILL hurt us."

 

[Sainted_S]

Yes, I want the uniformed to have the option to choose

 

[Brego]

It is interesting to see the number of people who claim to be very concerned about the ingredients in the e-juices they are putting into their body, but then turn around and consume alcoholic beverages which have never had ingredient labelling (and never will). Working in food R&D, I've known people who worked in R&D for alcoholic beverages. If you saw the formula for some of those products, you would never drink them again (out of nothing more than paranoid fear).

 

[FieryOne]

It is interesting to see the number of people who claim to be very concerned about the ingredients in the e-juices they are putting into their body, but then turn around and consume alcoholic beverages which have never had ingredient labelling (and never will). Working in food R&D, I've known people who worked in R&D for alcoholic beverages. If you saw the formula for some of those products, you would never drink them again (out of nothing more than paranoid fear).

LOL that is probably true about a lot of things. However, this thread is simply a place to state whether or not you agree with the letter being posted as a sticky. There are other places to debate the merits of diacetyl or disclosure. Let's keep this one as clean and on point as possible. Thank you for posting your opinion.

 

[Mephisto]

Agree, I like the ability to make an informed decision.

 

[Brego]

LOL that is probably true about a lot of things. However, this thread is simply a place to state whether or not you agree with the letter being posted as a sticky. There are other places to debate the merits of diacetyl or disclosure. Let's keep this one as clean and on point as possible. Thank you for posting your opinion.

Okay. Fair enough. I will then restate my adamant objection to your letter being made a sticky on the basis of it being wrong-headed and without value. The purpose of a sticky is to be informative and your letter is not. Your letter is a query and a statement of opinion, and does not deserve to be a sticky because it does not add value to this forum.

 

[warbdan]

Wrong-headed and without value to whom? You, Brego? Type Agree or Disagree and move on.....unless you, yourself have something of value that is right-headed to add. FieryOne is doing this as a service to us all and your last post was totally off base and uncalled for.

 

[FieryOne]

Thank you for your support warbdan! I greatly appreciate it. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion, and I didn't take Brego's comment personally.

 

[wetclay]

As usual, this discussion is getting nowhere. FieryOne is trying to do this for us all. But the discussion keeps going sideways.
I wish our stance and concern about diacetyl is conveyed to vendors properly.

After all the research I did. I really can't judge if diacetyl is harmful or not. But since it's easily replaceable without affecting my vaping experience, I'd rather use diacetly free juice. And I'd like my supplier to disclose that info to me honestly and reliably.

The question is not if diacetyl is bad or not. We can debate that for ever.

The question is: are enough poeple concerned about this and base their buying decisions on diacetyl content and disclosure from the vendor's side? If there are enough poeple, then they can be a driving force in the market. And vendors who respond will be be rewarded.

I just created a poll asking this same question. Here it is
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-your-choice-e-liquid-vendor.html#post2206477

of course I don't mean to highjack FieryOne's thread. this is a complimentary poll to this thread.

 

[FieryOne]

Thank you wetclay, I do need help with getting this moved beyond discussion to an action item. So I appreciate your poll.

 

[GoodDog]

Bump...

 

[FieryOne]

Thanks GoodDog!

 

[ACM]

I don't know how much I contributed to the thread going off topic, but I know I played a part. Sorry.

I agree. That's my stance, in case I didn't make it clear before.

 

[SeanFromIthaca]

after looking at the wikipedia page (yes knowing that it can't always be relied upon) -- we're not talking about 'lung damage' here -- we're talking about lung destruction -- there is no treatment for popcorn lung, which has been clearly linked to inhalation of diacetyl

whether you think it's unlikely that you will get popcorn lung from inhaling vape from juices containing diacetyl or not is beside the point really -- if it's proven to have that effect on some people, considering the effect is so horrific, I can't see why anyone would oppose making such a topic sticky -- I for one have zero interest in vaping anything that could potentially scar my bronchioles to the point that my lungs don't work... even if there's an off chance of it -- stuff like that is why most of us quit smoking analogs in the first place

 

[wetclay]

Sticky or not, the message was delivered.

 

[Edwv30]

Bumping again

 

[metapuff]

agreed! +1

 

[FieryOne]

bump.......

 

[the_antisheep]

Agreed, but just to confirm, Bogetech, the makers of YNDK products have been approved by the USDA, certified, and do not carry diacetyl in their products, right?

 

[shanagan]

Agreed, but just to confirm, Bogetech, the makers of YNDK products have been approved by the USDA, certified, and do not carry diacetyl in their products, right?

I'm not sure of Dekang has diacetyl or not - anyone know for sure? Also, the flavors that we're talking about here as "diacetyl-containing" are also FDA approved - for ingestion, not inhalation.