Dicodes box mod coming soon.

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GeorgeS

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    Thanks very much GeorgeS!

    That is very helpful and you touch upon a point that had me a little bit unsure of... for some reason I didn't think you should dry fire these TC coils? I bought an ohm reader with fire capability, so dry firing off the mod is not problem, just didn't know if this does something to the coil.

    ...or do I dry fire in TC mode on the mod - to alleviate any issues???

    Thanks again :)
    Good question!

    In the beginning we had Ni200 which is known to give off nasties when/if it ever got hot enough to actually glow. Ni200 had to be wound spaced. Since it was spaced there was really no reason to dry fire. If you did fire it you'd want to ensure that any glow was barely visible.

    TI-01 was introduced next. If TI is heated hot enough (full red glow) Ti-Oxide (white) will form. While many vapors wrongly felt the oxide was/is like Kryptonite to Superman however the oxide can be avoided by not overheating the coil or rinsing (or brushing off) with water. (the oxide is generally considered not good) Ti-01 needs to be carefully heated to build an insulating layer when contact coils are used. Most use light pulsing of the fire button at low wattage to confirm there is not hot legs and the very light pale glow forms from the inside out.

    TC vapors found NiFe and SS (430) variants next. Both of which require to be heated hot enough so that a non-toxic oxide insulating layer is formed for contact coils. While not needed I generally heat my NiFe and SS430 coils to a good glow to ensure no hot legs or hot/cold spots. I know of no health risks of doing this.

    As far as wire goes, I'd personally recommend NiFe, Ti and SS430. While the SS316 and SS317 (and others) SS variants can be temperature controlled, their TCR values are less than 100 and can be problematic to accurately regulate.
     
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    Yonjuro

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    Good question!

    In the beginning we had Ni200 which is known to give off nasties when/if it ever got hot enough to actually glow. Ni200 had to be wound spaced. Since it was spaced there was really no reason to dry fire. If you did fire it you'd want to ensure that any glow was barely visible.

    TI-01 was introduced next. If TI is heated hot enough (full red glow) Ti-Oxide (white) will form. While many vapors wrongly felt the oxide was/is like Kryptonite to Superman however the oxide can be avoided by not overheating the coil or rinsing (or brushing off) with water. (the oxide is generally considered not good) Ti-01 needs to be carefully heated to build an insulating layer when contact coils are used. Most use light pulsing of the fire button at low wattage to confirm there is not hot legs and the very light pale glow forms from the inside out.

    TC vapors found NiFe and SS (430) variants next. Both of which require to be heated hot enough so that a non-toxic oxide insulating layer is formed for contact coils. While not needed I generally heat my NiFe and SS430 coils to a good glow to ensure no hot legs or hot/cold spots. I know of no health risks of doing this.

    As far as wire goes, I'd personally recommend NiFe, Ti and SS430. While the SS316 and SS317 (and others) SS variants can be temperature controlled, their TCR values are less than 100 and can be problematic to accurately regulate.

    Really great stuff GeorgeS,

    I will stick with spaced coils for a bit while I am learning more. So you would recommend that I lower wattage and heat the NiFe30 to a dull glow before wicking and firing. I guess that would need to be done on "standard" mode??

    I bought a roll of the NiFe30 Dicodes wire with the mod so I have plenty of that at hand. I also ordered these with my dripper (still in transit) they had no Ti in stock at the time, but it is pretty easy to find

    SS 316L Heating wire
    (Gauge: 26AWG)
    Nichrome Wire
    (Kanthal Wire Diameter: 28AWG / 0.30mm)

    Nickel Wire By UD
    (Gauge: 28AWG)

    Pre-made Nichrome Coils 26AWG
    (26AWG Micro Coil Resistance: 1.0 Ohm)

    Thanks again for all this info, it really helps me in building a knowledge base :)
     
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    Good question!

    In the beginning we had Ni200 which is known to give off nasties when/if it ever got hot enough to actually glow. Ni200 had to be wound spaced. Since it was spaced there was really no reason to dry fire. If you did fire it you'd want to ensure that any glow was barely visible.

    TI-01 was introduced next. If TI is heated hot enough (full red glow) Ti-Oxide (white) will form. While many vapors wrongly felt the oxide was/is like Kryptonite to Superman however the oxide can be avoided by not overheating the coil or rinsing (or brushing off) with water. (the oxide is generally considered not good) Ti-01 needs to be carefully heated to build an insulating layer when contact coils are used. Most use light pulsing of the fire button at low wattage to confirm there is not hot legs and the very light pale glow forms from the inside out.

    TC vapors found NiFe and SS (430) variants next. Both of which require to be heated hot enough so that a non-toxic oxide insulating layer is formed for contact coils. While not needed I generally heat my NiFe and SS430 coils to a good glow to ensure no hot legs or hot/cold spots. I know of no health risks of doing this.

    As far as wire goes, I'd personally recommend NiFe, Ti and SS430. While the SS316 and SS317 (and others) SS variants can be temperature controlled, their TCR values are less than 100 and can be problematic to accurately regulate.


    Great post
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    Just to make sure, when using a SS wire (both 430 as 316L) and I make a spaced coil is there still a need to dry burn it to form that insulating layer?

    I started out with Ti1 myself so I'm not used to dry burning anything, just want to know if I should start doing it when experimenting with SS or that I can just continue the way I'm used to.
     

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    Great post
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    Just to make sure, when using a SS wire (both 430 as 316L) and I make a spaced coil is there still a need to dry burn it to form that insulating layer?

    I started out with Ti1 myself so I'm not used to dry burning anything, just want to know if I should start doing it when experimenting with SS or that I can just continue the way I'm used to.

    If your not using contact coils I suppose there really is no reason to dry burn. I do because I can and I like to see the coil heating evenly inside to out.

    Besides, when my coils get gunked up I will get them GLOWING to burn off any crud, rinse in the kitchen sink and rewick.

    Frankly, I did so much recoiling and experimentation in the early days that I got kinda burnt out. I have a few coils that are +6mo of service. The wire really does not "wear out". They just can get gunked up or deformed (easy when using small diameter wire) when rewicking. All I can do is smile when the other 1/2 asks me what I'm going to do with all my heater wire. ;)
     

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    If your not using contact coils I suppose there really is no reason to dry burn. I do because I can and I like to see the coil heating evenly inside to out.

    Besides, when my coils get gunked up I will get them GLOWING to burn off any crud, rinse in the kitchen sink and rewick.

    Frankly, I did so much recoiling and experimentation in the early days that I got kinda burnt out. I have a few coils that are +6mo of service. The wire really does not "wear out". They just can get gunked up or deformed (easy when using small diameter wire) when rewicking. All I can do is smile when the other 1/2 asks me what I'm going to do with all my heater wire. ;)


    Thanks for the reply.

    I did try dry-burning once when I first started using Ti but freaked out a little when it turned grey/whiteish immediately and decided not to it ever again. But if you rinse it with hot water you can just rub most of the gunk off. After a month or two/three of daily use I notice I need to do this more often and then I replace the coil.
     
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    GeorgeS

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    While I'm currently a big fan of NiFe48 Flat ribbon wire there is a TCR value for Ti-01 floating around (I think it is included in the Ultimate TCR list) that when used allows the user to safely heat their coil to 800F thereby burning off all the crud that had built up on it without getting hot enough to create Ti-Oxide.
     

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    Where are you getting the wire and what are you wrapping? You are the 3rd person whose opinion I trust who has praised NiFe48 flat.

    I get mine here. I've used both the 30AWG and 28AWG.
    NiFe48 - Zivipf Onlineshop
    https://www.zivipf.com/epages/63862...h=/Shops/63862298/Categories/Heizdraht/NiFe48
    In my thinking the flat wire offers better wire/wick contact area then the same size round wire while still providing the same quick heat/cool down and low mass.

    One word of warning: it is thin and wide making it fairly to very 'flimsy' (kinda like Ni200 days).
     

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    I really don't pay much attention to the ohms on the Dicodes. I use Ti and wrap it tight with hemostats on a 3mm rod. Usually is below .4. I vape at 35 watts and set the temp to 420 degrees f. I haven't gotten a scorched wick since I got it in April. I just dim glow the coil, brush the inside of coil (a GUM dental tooth reamer) and the outside of the coil with a pipe cleaner with alcohol, rewick, prime & go.
     

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    I found a dicodes dealer in the US but I am still on the fence about them and wonder if anyone has experience with them. dicodes-usa.com

    Dicodes USA - Exclusive Dealer in the United States of America

    They actually cost more than ordering from a retail shop in the UK and having it shipped to the US.

    Anyway just wondering, because they say they are authorized but they are not on the list for dealers/partner shops on the Dicodes website.

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    I found a dicodes dealer in the US but I am still on the fence about them and wonder if anyone has experience with them. dicodes-usa.com

    Dicodes USA - Exclusive Dealer in the United States of America

    They actually cost more than ordering from a retail shop in the UK and having it shipped to the US.

    Anyway just wondering, because they say they are authorized but they are not on the list for dealers/partner shops on the Dicodes website.

    Thanks

    They are ridiculously expensive and I seriously doubt they are operating under license from dicodes, in the sense that they are legally using the logo etc etc. You could contact dicodes and ask I guess...I may be wrong but it doesnt smell right!
     
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    They are ridiculously expensive and I seriously doubt they are operating under license from dicodes, in the sense that they are legally using the logo etc etc. You could contact dicodes and ask I guess...I may be wrong but it doesnt smell right!

    Same here it seems less and less legit, and I did call the USA dealer, it went straight to a generic voice mail everytime, no business name or anything lol

    Ah well stuck with importing one sometime. I really like the look and size of them. Having a mod that is provape quality with most of todays current features and 2 year warranty wins.
     

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    Same here it seems less and less legit, and I did call the USA dealer, it went straight to a generic voice mail everytime, no business name or anything lol

    Ah well stuck with importing one sometime. I really like the look and size of them. Having a mod that is provape quality with most of todays current features and 2 year warranty wins.

    I imported mine from "Cream-de-Vape" in England.
     

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    I imported mine from "Cream-de-Vape" in England.

    Thanks! Yeah, they seem to be a good company from what I read. I hope they can keep them in stock a bit, I just blew too much money on silly vape gear to get anything for a week or so.

    Lately both the Dicodes boxes are mods I look forward to buying most. With the way vaping is going in the US I feel a sudden need for getting lasting gear while I can.
     
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    Same here it seems less and less legit, and I did call the USA dealer, it went straight to a generic voice mail everytime, no business name or anything lol

    Ah well stuck with importing one sometime. I really like the look and size of them. Having a mod that is provape quality with most of todays current features and 2 year warranty wins.
    They may actually be legit. I just saw that GP are supplying their new dripper to dicodesUSA for retail which would suggest they are the real deal!

    edit: just noticed they sell all the GP stuff...for ridiculous prices..
     
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