Diketones will destroy vaping before they destroys your lungs

[roxynoodle]

If one doesn't care about what they eat, it stands to reason they probably don't care about what they vape...

But, they cared enough to quit smoking. Maybe they care about their health more than you think.

One can eat large amounts of heart healthy fats containing high amounts of omega 3 and 6 fatty acids. They may be overweight and have very high good cholesterol levels, which actually make them quite healthy. The Italian side of my family seems to be this way. Grandma, who once made booze in the bathtub, was quite obese and in good health. She lived into her 90s. Her sister and brothers are all obese, still alive, and in their 90s. Obese does not always translate to unhealthy, or eating McDonalds. Their obesity may put stress on their joints, but their hearts are doing well despite their weight.

 

[Lessifer]

No one has the power to tell you what to vape. Instead, what I am telling you is that if we don't take health risks very seriously and act on them collectively, then you won't be vaping anything legally.
I also find it odd how people used to praise Dr. F as being our only high caliber friend in the world. But once he spoke the truth about diketones, suddenly he is unqualified to comment. Suddenly he is over reacting. Yeah, OK. I think people are just selfish by nature and don't want their sweet diketones taken away, so that makes Dr. F a kind of half enemy, but really he is the best guide we have in keeping vaping alive by suggesting we ditch the damn diketones.

When you are calling for ALL vendors to remove the "deadly" diketones from their liquids, you are trying to give yourself the power to tell others what to vape. That is the issue people have with your posts. If you don't want to vape it, fine, don't. Stop trying to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do. Stop trying to tell vendors what they should or shouldn't use. If you don't want it, look for vendors who don't use it, you have been pointed in the right direction multiple times.

Many can make great e-liquids without questionable chemicals, some can't...

They point you seem to be missing is, ALL of the chemicals are questionable at this point. Some may be more questionable than others, but no flavoring have been GRAS for inhalation.

 

[WillyZee]

just throwing this out there ...

Everyone is focused on eLiquid suppliers and them testing their products now.

IMO, when the final FDA hammer drops ... using food flavouring meant for digestion might be banned from making eLiquid.

Maybe, only flavour concentrates specifically developed for vaping will be approved for making eLiquid ... and BT might just be the only source of the new vapeable concentrates ... and sorry, not for sale to anyone outside of BT.

Selling eLiquid made from food flavouring might be enforced the same as someone or some company trying to sell homemade untaxed Tobacco or Alcohol.

 

[zoiDman]

just throwing this out there ...

Everyone is focused on eLiquid suppliers and them testing their products now.

IMO, when the final FDA hammer drops ... using food flavouring meant for digestion might be banned from making eLiquid.

Maybe, only flavour concentrates specifically developed for vaping will be approved for making eLiquid ... and BT might just be the only source of the new vapeable concentrates ... and sorry, not for sale to anyone outside of BT.

Selling eLiquid made from food flavouring might be enforced the same as someone or some company trying to sell homemade untaxed Tobacco or Alcohol.

I think Most of what you said is Pretty Much a Given.

BTW - What do you think BT is doing Right Now? As we Speak?

Spoiler

Performing Health Studies on Flavorings so they can be FDA Approved for Inhalation via e-Liquids.

 

[stevegmu]

just throwing this out there ...

Everyone is focused on eLiquid suppliers and them testing their products now.

IMO, when the final FDA hammer drops ... using food flavouring meant for digestion might be banned from making eLiquid.

Maybe, only flavour concentrates specifically developed for vaping will be approved for making eLiquid ... and BT might just be the only source of the new vapeable concentrates ... and sorry, not for sale to anyone outside of BT.

Selling eLiquid made from food flavouring might be enforced the same as someone or some company trying to sell homemade untaxed Tobacco or Alcohol.

I primarily vape tobaccos, menthols and unflavored. I'll be all over some Camel Wides and Salem e-liquid...

 

[Lessifer]

I think Most of what you said is Pretty Much a Given.

BTW - What do you think BT is doing Right Now? As we Speak?

Spoiler

Performing Health Studies on Flavorings so they can be FDA Approved for Inhalation via e-Liquids.

I believe BAT has done some testing already on their tobacco and menthol liquids, and by testing I mean actual testing of the effects of the liquid/vapor on tissue, and not just for the presence of certain chemicals.

 

[zoiDman]

I believe BAT has done some testing already on their tobacco and menthol liquids, and by testing I mean actual testing of the effects of the liquid/vapor on tissue, and not just for the presence of certain chemicals.

BAT?

 

[Lessifer]

BAT?

British American Tobacco, makers of Vype, I believe they presented at one of the FDA workshops.

 

[WillyZee]

It almost seems like the hidden treasure BT knows about ... the very expensive testing BT is doing will set the FDA bar for future eLiquid companies.

If this did happen ... every eLiquid company would be shut down ... can't afford to develop flavour like BT did ... sorry no eLiquid making for you.

The food flavouring guys will go back to making food.


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[Lessifer]

It almost seems like the hidden treasure BT knows about ... the very expensive testing BT is doing will set the FDA bar for future eLiquid companies.

If this did happen ... every eLiquid company would be shut down ... can't afford to develop flavour like BT did ... sorry no eLiquid making for you.

The food flavouring guys will go back to making food.


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Right, they don't have to ban anything. All they need is the authority to regulate it out of existence, for our safety. I mean, even vapers are begging for someone to come along and make sure the e-liquid is safe. The FDA would be remiss if they ignored our pleas for help. </sarcasm>

 

[zoiDman]

British American Tobacco, makers of Vype, I believe they presented at one of the FDA workshops.

Gotcha.

And Yes... They were one of the Presenters in one of the Recent FDA Workshops.

 

[Pinggolfer]

Remember when the Volstead Act went into effect. I sure don't want to be vaping tobacco flavors. Let the bootlegging begin.

 

[zoiDman]

Right, they don't have to ban anything. All they need is the authority to regulate it out of existence, for our safety. I mean, even vapers are begging for someone to come along and make sure the e-liquid is safe. The FDA would be remiss if they ignored our pleas for help. </sarcasm>

The FDA is going to Regulate e-Liquids No Matter what Vapers Do or Ask for.

Some can Make the Argument that by having No Real Self-Regulations, that all we are doing is giving the FDA More Justification to do so in the eyes of Senators and the General Public.

All Debatable Points.

 

[Lessifer]

The FDA is going to Regulate e-Liquids No Matter what Vapers Do or Ask for.

Some can Make the Argument that by having No Real Self-Regulations, that all we are doing is giving the FDA More Justification to do so in the eyes of Senators and the General Public.

All Debatable Points.

Someone will regulate, or establish guidelines, really the question is who will have a seat at the drafting table. No other industry has this zero harm standard, it is unclear, other than for financial reasons, why vaping does.

BTW here's a thread that links to the study I mentioned before done by BAT New Study - Cig Smoke Causes Cellular Death, Vapor Doesn't | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[AzPlumber]

The last thing we need is BT to set the benchmark for safety.

 

[zoiDman]

Someone will regulate, or establish guidelines, really the question is who will have a seat at the drafting table. No other industry has this zero harm standard, it is unclear, other than for financial reasons, why vaping does.

BTW here's a thread that links to the study I mentioned before done by BAT New Study - Cig Smoke Causes Cellular Death, Vapor Doesn't | E-Cigarette Forum

Who says that the Vaping Industry has a Zero Harm Standard? Or will have?

 

[Lessifer]

Who says that the Vaping Industry has a Zero Harm Standard? Or will have?

It is the idea that prompted this thread, and is what we keep seeing from media, antz, legislators, etc.

 

[zoiDman]

It is the idea that prompted this thread, and is what we keep seeing from media, antz, legislators, etc.

I don't see Zero Risk being advocated by Many (if Any) in this thread. Zero Risk would be Not Vaping at all.

I see some that see DA and Ap as an Avoidable Risk.

But in a Complete Unregulated Market, I have to Take the Position that it is Up to the Individual to make an Informed Choice.

 

[Lessifer]

I don't see Zero Risk being advocated by Many (if Any) in this thread. Zero Risk would be Not Vaping at all.

I see some that see DA and Ap as an Avoidable Risk.

But in a Complete Unregulated Market, I have to Take the Position that it is Up to the Individual to make an Informed Choice.

Most don't say outright that they want zero risk. However, when you start questioning why they want something removed from the market, or restricted for use it becomes "because it's potentially harmful." When you ask for proof, actual proof, that it's harmful then you get "it's been shown in these other contexts to be harmful and that's good enough." Say, well, this is a different context, and we don't know at what levels or even really IF it actually IS harmful, then you get "well the potential is good enough."

That is an (incomplete)argument for zero risk.

 

[Jman8]

E-juice HAS IN IT chemicals that have been proven to damage the lungs

Please provide this proof of which you speak.