I've said it before but I will let the theory of risk ,management / assessment people work on this one..............
Diketones will destroy vaping before they destroys your lungs
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You are totally obsessed with FP. You failed to mention your questions received answers and asked again. Who's the next vendor you'll going to drive out of the discussion?
They won't answer your questions. Closed minds. They have no idea and don't care.
There's a new 5Pawns thread where they are not answering questions?
I have to say, I really agree with you here.
The FP topic was done to death. Their topic about it is closed and over and injecting it into every eliquid safety conversation, to my mind, kind of implies some kind of "personal vendetta" against the company at this point.
Believe me, there are thousands and thousands of ejuice companies, even many "darlings of ECF", who are not doing much better in terms of transparency. By not testing their eliquids, and ignoring emails with those questions (like the vendor that was reported by numerous people in the 5P topic---at least 3 people said they did not receive answers to their emails from that vendor.....but I'm sure that vendor is not different in that respect from many others who also avoid avoid avoid) they just avoid the entire situation in the first place, they avoid testing, they avoid making statements about DAP period.
It reminds me of my dog. He thinks if he is not looking at me when he's in trouble that he's *invisible*. You all know how dogs do that
It's charming in a dog, though. Not so much in companies that sell you products that will go into your lungs.
I think they are in every thread because they are the worst that have been caught so far. Nikoticket seems to be having issues at the moment though, so maybe they will become the topic of conversation...
I have to say, I really agree with you here.
The FP topic was done to death. Their topic about it is closed and over and injecting it into every eliquid safety conversation, to my mind, kind of implies some kind of "personal vendetta" against the company at this point.
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Just so we are Clear.
I will Call Out ANY Company who Deceives their Customers when they are Asked what is in their e-Liquids.
Well thanks a lot. If you READ my posts about risk assessment, that its a personal endeavor in the first place, and that it's not a scientific formula, then you will see that sparky's constant haranguing of asking pointed questions about whether or not DAP as well as other things are "entirely safe" is bothersome.
Risk management is something we all do, sometimes consciously, sometimes unconsciously. Most people who have any kind of insurance at all are obviously practicing risk management. There are others who, after years of reading carefully thru actuarial stats, prefer to self insure their homes, etc.
Go back and look at Sparky's questions, and it's like asking the statistics guys at the 3 largest insurance companies in the world what is the risk of a tornado making a DIRECT hit on my house. Actually, quite rare. Yet almost everybody where I live carries home insurance.
People in general are pretty risk adverse. Any stock broker can tell ya THAT.
Yet, when it comes to vaping, that entire universe is turned upside down. Which I find odd. And which is probably best addressed by somebody with training in the recovery community. Because it has to do with a psychology that is NOT prevalent in all the other risk management areas, like house insurance, like investing money, etc. where people act a certain way.
ECF should have a topic just for you........ the topic of Fear mongering.
so let me ask Sparky a question, even though he has not answered any of my other questions:
When speaking of fear mongering, do you refer to your insurance agent as a fear mongerer?
Do you invest in higher risk securities, and do you self-insure your home?
If you don't do either of these things, then explain to me why I shouldn't be calling you a fear mongerer or at least, somebody who has fallen for fear-mongering.
But I want people to continue to vape diacetyl rich e-liquids, preferably never smokers who sub ohm, just as long as they know they are doing it and not being lied to by vendors...
Well thanks a lot. If you READ my posts about risk assessment, that its a personal endeavor in the first place, and that it's not a scientific formula, then you will see that sparky's constant haranguing of asking pointed questions about whether or not DAP as well as other things are "entirely safe" is bothersome.
Risk management is something we all do, sometimes consciously, sometimes unconsciously. Most people who have any kind of insurance at all are obviously practicing risk management. There are others who, after years of reading carefully thru actuarial stats, prefer to self insure their homes, etc.
Go back and look at Sparky's questions, and it's like asking the statistics guys at the 3 largest insurance companies in the world what is the risk of a tornado making a DIRECT hit on my house. Actually, quite rare. Yet almost everybody where I live carries home insurance.
People in general are pretty risk adverse. Any stock broker can tell ya THAT.
Yet, when it comes to vaping, that entire universe is turned upside down. Which I find odd. And which is probably best addressed by somebody with training in the recovery community. Because it has to do with a psychology that is NOT prevalent in all the other risk management areas, like house insurance, like investing money, etc.
I'm not questioning your logic at all. I agree with your desire to do what's best for yourself.
America Pharoah runs at Saratoga this Saturday.
No he doesn't, but spends his time putting them down.
Oh, another victim.
The reason why FP shut the thread down. Are you preaching your Dr F studies on the nicoticket thread?
Why do you keep saying I am Making a Reference to Dr. F's Study?
It Isn't My Study. And I have Never Mentioned it here.
Please link a Post to what you are Talking about.
I have no idea. What I do notice is they are "drier", if that makes sense. I find I feel the need to drink more water.
I own three homes all are insured, I am very much involved with the stock market and am aware of the current crash, glad I sold some last month.so let me ask Sparky a question, even though he has not answered any of my other questions:
When speaking of fear mongering, do you refer to your insurance agent as a fear mongerer?
Do you invest in higher risk securities, and do you self-insure your home?
If you don't do either of these things, then explain to me why I shouldn't be calling you a fear mongerer or at least, somebody who has fallen for fear-mongering.
I have never in the 25 years smoking demanded the ingredients of my cigs nor called coke / pepsi with the demand nor have I ever ask the waiter for the ingredients of my dinner, I have good reason to DIY my juice not for fear just because I enjoy mine better than the 75 others I've tried.I don't believe for one minute that x / y / z free means that the new and improved version is any less risky.
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