Thanks for that TK. Just what I needed. Another shopping cart waiting for the complete order click.

The T5 thing happened by accident .. I started wanting tobacco flavor and didnt care for the ones I had .. then I found 2 brand new bottles that I had put away a while ago and forgot about, Both were from ECX .. one was TE Ruyan 4 and the other was the Hangsen T5. I made the Ruyan 4, mixed it with my little mixer, gave it a hot bath and then tried it .. not bad. Set it inside my dark box where I steep my juices and forgot about it. Saw it in there 2 weeks ago .. it had steeped for a month. Tried it and fell in LOVE. Couldnt get enough of it. Quick made more, mixed part of the steeped one into it so it'd steep faster .. was in vaping heaven.
Went to ECX website to order more .. yikes .. it wasnt there. In it's place is one called just "Ruyan" .. without the number 4. I emailed ECX znd asked if it aas the same as the one with the 4. Got an email back from a gal .. she said it smells the same. I immediately ordered 4 bottles. Long story short .. it is NOT the same!
At that point I was so sad .. but saw the T5 bottle again and made it .. mixed it with the little mixer, steeped it a few days in the dark steeping box and have been vaping it for the psst week.
Do I love it? Nay. But I do LIKE it. And since I cant get the Ruyan 4 anymore then I will settle for the T5. Once I get the VZ one I'll see if they're the same or if one is better.
Stash back in Jan i opened a thread here and asked about it because
for a short while the Tobacco Express Ruyan4 and its picture was gone and i thought it would no longer be available.
Thread link
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecigexpress/371974-tobacco-express-ruyan-ry4.html#post8807809
i then called and talked on phone to that Lady and she said they smelled the same and Linnx was told there the same from the manufacturer.
I said "no" there indeed different.
So it seems we are back to square one and i revisited that thread to try and get a response because its confusing.
Here is an older order of mine as listed on website .
2 ea. Tobacco Express RY4 10ml
3 ea. Tobacco Express Ruyan4 10ml
When Linnx re added Tobacco Express Ruyan4 to his website seems he did not add the " 4 " after Ruyan like it was in my older order above. ; )
Here is the re-added picture without the 4 on the end of Ruyan
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So why was the 4 dropped in that picture is what needs to be addressed and hopefully Linnx comes back as says he forgot to put the 4 and not say because its a all new flavoring.
Tobacco Express "Ruyan4" was very good.
FYI- This method really does seem to work with the NFs
Natural flavors come in many styles, colors, forms, and concentrations. Generally a good rule for initial usage is .25% and then add more to taste. Remember natural flavor has an optimal usage and achieving that point is more art than science. For brisk flavor and satisfaction, never over flavor youre-liquid . Here are some basic rules for flavoring your product. Let’s say for example you’re trying a vanilla flavor. First, start with a small amount such as a .25% up to 1%. Taste the flavor in the e-liquid. If the flavor tastes good and goes away after 3 to 5 seconds with no funny aftertaste, then it’s perfect and you don't need to add more flavoring, PG or VG.
hopefully Linnx comes back as says he forgot to put the 4 and not say because its a all new flavoring.
Tobacco Express "Ruyan4" was very good.
I received the Ruyan 4, but at the time the description said Ruyan. I did not like it at all.I ordered the one that does not have the 4, got it 2 weeks ago, mixed it, vaped it and trust me it is NOT the same as the one with the 4 .. it tastes way different from the Ruyan 4 that I loved. If Linnx just adds the number "4" to the Ruyan he has on his website now it will get even more confusing because it is not the same as the Ruyan 4 he use to have.
I received the Ruyan 4, but at the time the description said Ruyan. I did not like it at all.
I think the one I have, is not the one people liked so much too. i can't see anyone raving about it. YUCK! LOLWhich ever one I got was pretty bad too. I ordered it after I read a lot of good reviews on it but i'm fairly certain they couldnt have been talking about the one I got.
1 x My Hero Tobacco - Vanilla Blend DIY Flavor Extract (MVJ105FE) = $9.99
1. Choose your Bottle Size 12mls $9.99
1 x Rogue Tobacco - A Touch of Spice DIY Flavor Extract (MVJ310FE) = $9.99
1. Choose your Bottle Size 12mls $9.99
Couldnt help myself. I ordered these two to try out. I need somebody to take my credit cards away from me.
Everyones palate is different. ; )I think the one I have, is not the one people liked so much too. i can't see anyone raving about it. YUCK! LOL
Absolutely ! I think I just like flavors on the lighter side now. I would go with unflavored, but my heavy PG mix tastes like sugar water. I can't use heavy VG. I get congested, and gives me serious headaches.Everyones palate is different. ; )
Thats not good i even offered in that thread to send a unopened bottle of Tobacco Express Ruyan4 so they can mix vape smell whatever they need to do to bring it back and Linnx politely said it was not needed.I ordered the one that does not have the 4, got it 2 weeks ago, mixed it, vaped it and trust me it is NOT the same as the one with the 4 .. it tastes way different from the Ruyan 4 that I loved. If Linnx just adds the number "4" to the Ruyan he has on his website now it will get even more confusing because it is not the same as the Ruyan 4 he use to have.
I hear you about except i dont taste the PG at all. The vg it congests me as well in the flem department. Was always at 90pg/10vg in past then tried 70pg/30vg and was bad congesting. Currently at 85pg/15vg and hardly any congesting but will go back to 90pb/10vg like i did the my first year in vaping.Absolutely ! I think I just like flavors on the lighter side now. I would go with unflavored, but my heavy PG mix tastes like sugar water. I can't use heavy VG. I get congested, and gives me serious headaches.
Here are 4 bottles on left of older order of Ruyan4 and also RY4 (on right side) my 2 favorite all day vapes.
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I requested them last Summer. I'm going to wait until fresher batches are available. 5 months in shipping !? No way Jose !what is the deal with the vz gourmet flavors they claim to be even more concentrated than the alcohol based ones