DIY Master Techniques - Flavor Add-on's (EM, VW, BW, MTS, ACV, ect)

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Interesting, I have been putting regular distilled vinegar and vape wizard in my tobacco blends, I will have to try it without for comparison, I've just always read it was a must-have... I clearly need to experiment more! I do like the flavor better after a couple weeks of steeping, though. It's still pretty tasty right after mixing, but not quite there yet.
 

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"Champagne"

I tried it and it does nothing, possibly because:

- the bottle was mislabeled (smells like vanilla to me)
- there is a secret method to using it

Mine is Lorann Champagne, is supposed to smell very sweet and sort of like vanilla flavouring?

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(UC) Indeed we can't hear it but I bet the dogs wonder what in carnations is going on! :)
 

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I tried it and it does nothing, possibly because:

- the bottle was mislabeled (smells like vanilla to me)

- there is a secret method to using it

Mine is Lorann Champagne, is supposed to smell very sweet and sort of like vanilla flavouring?

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(UC) Indeed we can't hear it but I bet the dogs wonder what in carnations is going on! :)

I don't know about LorAnn's Champagne and I haven't tried this:

Veteran Mixer has said to enhance the fizzy effect mix at 80/20 PG/VG
 

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I still use my US cleaner all the time for steeping, but mine is heated. It's also very useful for prepping or cleaning ceramic wicks (which I prefer) and also cleaning up new/crudded up atties. They are handy for all types of vape-ralated tasks....even cleaning jewelry.

That being said - I wouldn't spend a lot of money on a new one - you can find used US cleaners pretty cheaply. I got mine in a trade from a Dentist who was retiring, but there are many Laboratory surplus places around that have them for very reasonable prices if you look around.

Whatever floats your boat....

I'd like to point out that you don't need a 'heated' one. Mine doesn't have a heater in it but the water heats up naturally through the action of the...uh...sound(?) waves (or whatever they are). Especially if you start with warm water.

If you're doing this (DIY'ing) in small quantities (30mL bottles or less) and can pick up an ultrasonic cleaner relatively cheaply, I would (and did). A full-size crockpot takes up a decent amount of space. Since ultrasonic cleaners are smaller, they're a lot easier to keep in a convenient place and they are good (as others have said) for cleaning coils, heads, etc. (And jewelry :) )
 

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Yeah, that way took 2 weeks for me too.

This is where your comparison is flawed. Dropping a bottle of juice in a heated cup of water and allowing it to cool is not what I am referring to as heating, nor does it have anywhere near the same effect as what I do. This allows the juice to cool as the water cools. This is ineffective. How do I know? This is the method I used when I first started mixing.

I am referring to keeping the juice and water bath at a constant 150° for four hours. There is a remarkable difference in results than a hot cup drop in.

You can convince yourself all you like that cavitation matters, and if it works for you thats good. Its a good method, my point indeed is that its simply absolutely positively not necessary.

A mini crock pot heats at 150° and takes up almost no space at all. it is that level of heat that works. i had seen a test someplace that confirmed my results awhile back. ill see if I can find it.

Here: http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/1ep7ym/

Final result. Consistant heat is all that it necessary. His testing was 8 hours at ~160° I believe. For myself and the progression of my juice taste wise I prefer 4 hours. But the graphs dont lie.

Not at all. It does work.



Blending and heat are both nessessary. Blending comes from the cavitation of the radio waves. Heat is produced by this cavitation. So this method is efficent. I think your argument is in the cost of investment with your argument being why spend all this money when you can simply heat and shake. This may be a valid argument but I found heating and shaking does not do the job as quickly as a UC. I did the thurmos cup heating and shaking and found the mix still needed a week or 2 to mature.
 
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I haven't noticed that happening to my juices.

Not here neither. I did however change the ratios a bit from we2rcool is using, my wife claimed she was tasting the salt. I couldn't taste it. I went to 85%vg, 6.5% saline, 6.5% DW, and 2% Pga. Still seems to work fine
 

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Well the less likely explanation would be some mysterious chemical reaction between the salt and the juice, but since it's unflavoured nic, it seems highly unlikely. Normally the juice darkens in genesis, but not so cloudy it looks like milk.

Maybe my coils were just extremely dirty. Either way it has me wondering what the salt is doing to the kanthal, so I'm off to find out just what exactly it takes to corrode kanthal.
 
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I am referring to keeping the juice and water bath at a constant 150° for four hours. There is a remarkable difference in results than a hot cup drop in.

You can convince yourself all you like that cavitation matters, and if it works for you thats good. Its a good method, my point indeed is that its simply absolutely positively not necessary.

A mini crock pot heats at 150° and takes up almost no space at all. it is that level of heat that works. i had seen a test someplace that confirmed my results awhile back. ill see if I can find it.

Here: http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/1ep7ym/

Final result. Consistant heat is all that it necessary. His testing was 8 hours at ~160° I believe. For myself and the progression of my juice taste wise I prefer 4 hours. But the graphs dont lie.

If that's true, I'll stick with using a UC and temperature control as the majority of DIY'ers here have been doing, and getting awesome results with. Heating Nic above 120 degrees is not a good idea. Unless I missed something and you're talking about 0nic juice. ;)


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malic acid mixers,
i've never seemed to get much results with it actually creating tartness. i've tried 1-10 drops per 10ml and always seems to take away flavor but never gets sour. tasting the juice by itself is plenty sour, but it doesn't seem to vape sour.

i have mix my own powder in pg, flavor west and tpa sour. they all do the same thing. any suggestions?
 

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Why is heating nic above 120 degrees not a good idea?

If that's true, I'll stick with using a UC and temperature control as the majority of DIY'ers here have been doing, and getting awesome results with. Heating Nic above 120 degrees is not a good idea. Unless I missed something and you're talking about 0nic juice. ;)


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Regarding saline, interesting how my first mix using it strips the gunk off my coils and wicks, which then leaches back down into tank, making it cloudy and looking very disgusting. I'm not sure if I like that or not.

I haven't noticed that happening to my juices.

Neither have we! But then, we wouldn't ever put a dirty wick/coil near a fresh tank of juice...especially not a 'first mix' that we were wanting to taste-test.
 
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