DIY Master Techniques - Flavor Add-on's (EM, VW, BW, MTS, ACV, ect)

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So yea, I can testify that the saline is cleaning my ss wicks. They are shedding their oxidization and are starting the gleam in the tank.

As 2cool suggests, this would not happen on a virgin setup, and therefore would serve to actually keep things from gunking up.

I'm still wondering if coil corrosion is being accelerated though...
 

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So yea, I can testify that the saline is cleaning my ss wicks. They are shedding their oxidization and are starting the gleam in the tank.

As 2cool suggests, this would not happen on a virgin setup, and therefore would serve to actually keep things from gunking up.

I'm still wondering if coil corrosion is being accelerated though...

'Way early in the thread (around #55-ish or after?), someone brought up the possibility of coil corrosion - and I think I remember at least one person saying they had no issues (and possibly someone explaining why there wouldn't be any issues). I seem to remember reading (somewhere along the last 50 years of life), that the corrosive nature of "salt" could many times be partially accounted for by all the impurities and the reactions with impure air & water. We decided to 'wait & see'.

Kanthal is an alloy of iron, chromium & aluminum. Kanthal information on "corrosion" - taken from here: https://www1.elfa.se/data1/wwwroot/assets/datasheets/06080303.pdf

Kanthal Appliance Alloys Handbook
Corrosion Resistance
Corrosive or potentially corrosive consti-
tuents can considerably shorten wire life.
Perspiring hands, mounting or supporting
materials or contamination can cause corro-
sion.
Steam
Steam shortens the wire life. This effect is
more pronounced on NIKROTHAL alloys
than on KANTHAL alloys.
Halogens
Halogens (fluorine, chlorine, bromine and
iodine) severely attack all high-temperature
alloys at fairly low temperatures.
Sulphur
In sulphurous atmospheres KANTHAL
alloys have considerably better durability
than nickel-base alloys. KANTHAL is
particularly stable in oxidising gases contain-
ing sulphur, while reducing gases with a
sulphur content diminish its service life.
NIKROTHAL alloys are sensitive to
sulphur.
Salts and oxides
The salts of alkaline metals, boron com-
pounds, etc. in high concentrations and are
harmful to heating alloys.
Metals
Some molten metals, such as zinc, brass,
aluminium and copper, react with the resist-
ance alloys. The elements should therefore
be protected from splashes of molten metals.
Ceramic support material
Special attention must be paid to the ceramic
supports that come in direct contact with the
heating wire. Firebricks for wire support
should have an alumina content of at least
45 %. In high-temperature applications, the
use of sillimanite and high-alumina firebricks
is often recommended. The free silica (un-
combined quartz) content should be held low.
Iron oxide lowers the melting point of the
ceramics. Water glass as a binder in cements
must be avoided.
Embedding compounds
Most embedding compounds including
ceramic fibres are suitable for KANTHAL
and NIKROTHAL if composed of alumina,
alumina-silicate, magnesia or zirconia​

Our information & experiences:


We currently use BCCs (mini Davide Glassomizers, mostly) and we build our own coils for those. We use Cisco 306 atty's for testing. We have used: typical silica; german silica; and we're currently using kiln-cured Nextel...all with Kanthal 30, 32, 34, or .3/.5 Kanthal ribbon. We've played around with SS cable (7x19) - and SS mesh (and are getting ready to play with the 7x7 SS cable as soon as the vape mail arrives).

Our juice is VG nic; a premixed base of VG 80%; distilled water 9%; .9 saline solution 9%; pga 2% - plus flavors in the range of .5% to 12-15% (we rarely go over 10%).

We have never noticed any sign of corrosion or rust.

We clean & dry burn our coils/heads after vaping 2-6ml of juice...and they always need to be cleaned & dry burned (evidenced by juices darkening somewhat; a lessening of vapor production/flavor; need to add a bit more voltage). The .9% saline solution at 9% of our base does not 'keep our coils/wicks clean'. We clean them by a quick rinse/soak in ultra hot water; blow out; soak in pga; blow out; and then dry burn.

Of course, when we vape flavorless, the heads/coils need FAR less cleaning.

Now that we're a few weeks into using the Nextel, we've been skipping the alcohol soak, and just torching the wick/coil (taking care not to scorch/melt the grommet)...but that still doesn't eliminate the need for dry burning the coil, but cleans up the wick nicely (and saves time/money).

We've noticed no 'action' from the saline on the wicking.

Of course (as always), ymmv.
 

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'We've noticed no 'action' from the saline on the wicking.

Of course (as always), ymmv.

Well spoken and exactly matching my several months experience. Road salt and heat do combine to rust cars but apparently not at these small concentrations. I chain vape and usually need to wash and dry burn on daily basis.

BTW, small piece of trivia. Did you know glycerin is combined with nitric acid to make nitroglycerin. Good thing you threw away your cigarette lighters!
 

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Slohand -
I agree with the question because when I Google the temperature of a cigarette tip, I get the following:

When a conventional cigarette burns, the burning tip reaches a temperature of about 900 degrees Celsius.

One must wonder what happened to the nic in a cigarette while we were smoking them...
 
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BTW, small piece of trivia. Did you know glycerin is combined with nitric acid to make nitroglycerin. Good thing you threw away your cigarette lighters!

I didn't throw mine away, I just gave them new tasks related to vaping like torching wire before wrapping a coil. ;)


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At 120-130 degrees, the chemical compounds in nic begin to break down.

I don't think that breaking down the NIC is the issue. The problem is that higher heat will oxidize the juice faster and cause a harsher vape. NIC strength should not change. What you will notice is a faster color change in higher heat and besides the flavor having a chemical reaction causing color change which is only part of the process color change is also contributed to NIC oxidizion. The faster the NIC oxidizes the harsher it will be. I've noticed differences in harshness, the nic that is steeped using heat (UC/Thurmal/water baths/microwaving) were harsher then juice steeped naturally. The amount of harshness is directly related to the amount of heat used. The UC seems the most tollerent but still there is a degree of harshness over natural steeping. I've heat steeped microwaving water in a thurmos cup to 150F and steeped and that was harsher then the UC.
 

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We clean & dry burn our coils/heads after vaping 2-6ml of juice...and they always need to be cleaned & dry burned (evidenced by juices darkening somewhat; a lessening of vapor production/flavor; need to add a bit more voltage). The .9% saline solution at 9% of our base does not 'keep our coils/wicks clean'. We clean them by a quick rinse/soak in ultra hot water; blow out; soak in pga; blow out; and then dry burn.

Of course, when we vape flavorless, the heads/coils need FAR less cleaning.

Now that we're a few weeks into using the Nextel, we've been skipping the alcohol soak, and just torching the wick/coil (taking care not to scorch/melt the grommet)...but that still doesn't eliminate the need for dry burning the coil, but cleans up the wick nicely (and saves time/money).

Maybe I am dry burning wrong, but every time that I have dry burned I always get a lingering nasty burned taste. Could someone walk me through how to do it correctly? I use Kanger 2.5 coils
 

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Maybe I am dry burning wrong, but every time that I have dry burned I always get a lingering nasty burned taste. Could someone walk me through how to do it correctly? I use Kanger 2.5 coils

Protank coils? If they are knock offs they could be made wrong, they're supposed to have non resistance legs, but the knocks offs I bought didn't, which means the coil wire melts the insulator, so you should never dry burn them
 

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Maybe I am dry burning wrong, but every time that I have dry burned I always get a lingering nasty burned taste. Could someone walk me through how to do it correctly? I use Kanger 2.5 coils

It doesn't necessarily always work with every juice. I remember back when I was vaping Boba's Bounty I could never dry burn my wicks, it would just ruin it.

What kind of juice are you trying to dry burn?
 

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Stock Kanger 2.5 coils? Don't ever dry burn them, you are guaranteed to have a burnt taste. It's a silica wick and they do burn. In fact the only three wick types you can dry burn are Nextel, SS or ceramic. Cotton, hemp, etc, all burn.

Either throw used ones out and buy replacement heads or learn to rebuild them. I don't use them but I rebuild my wifes' all the time. Lot's of help available on rebuilding.

PS. Sorry .... off topic.
 

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Stock Kanger 2.5 coils? Don't ever dry burn them, you are guaranteed to have a burnt taste. It's a silica wick and they do burn. In fact the only three wick types you can dry burn are Nextel, SS or ceramic. Cotton, hemp, etc, all burn.

Either throw used ones out and buy replacement heads or learn to rebuild them. I don't use them but I rebuild my wifes' all the time. Lot's of help available on rebuilding.

PS. Sorry .... off topic.

I use T3's and dry burn and rebuild them all the time using silica and never had a problem dry burning them. They dry burn very clean and I do not get a burn taste after. Maybe there's cheap silica and good silica I don't know but what I have if the silica is caked with brown residew it dry burns perfectly back to white. I think maybe the trick is because I always rinse them and immiditly dry burn them while the silica is still wet.

I also use kayfun and find they clog and cake much faster then T3's and I never seem to have success dry burning those for what ever reason the wicks get perfectly clean but the coils never heat up the same after. You are correct the flavor with a fresh build is fantastic but the coil clogging is a real turn off. I seem to get much better milage with my T3's even though the taste is so far off from a kayfun.
 
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I have a drawer full of SS mods that haven't seen the light of day for at least six months. KayFun and Aqua are the way I've turned. Making some of my early DIY juices taste totally different. Oh and hemp and nothing but hemp. I pull out the used hemp THEN DRY BURN the crud off the coils and dress it up with new hemp .... Heaven! I do that wick change now almost as effortlessly as I used to pull the old cellophane tab off a fresh pack of smokes LOL.
 

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Stock Kanger 2.5 coils? Don't ever dry burn them, you are guaranteed to have a burnt taste. It's a silica wick and they do burn. In fact the only three wick types you can dry burn are Nextel, SS or ceramic. Cotton, hemp, etc, all burn.

Either throw used ones out and buy replacement heads or learn to rebuild them. I don't use them but I rebuild my wifes' all the time. Lot's of help available on rebuilding.

PS. Sorry .... off topic.

I dry burn my silica wicks all the time and they will last longer. I don't use protanks so I can't say anything about those but my builds with silica are always dry burned. Check out youtube.
 

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Stock Kanger 2.5 coils? Don't ever dry burn them, you are guaranteed to have a burnt taste. It's a silica wick and they do burn. In fact the only three wick types you can dry burn are Nextel, SS or ceramic. Cotton, hemp, etc, all burn.

Either throw used ones out and buy replacement heads or learn to rebuild them. I don't use them but I rebuild my wifes' all the time. Lot's of help available on rebuilding.

PS. Sorry .... off topic.

I agree with Danny & the other posters on this. I have cotton in most of my tanks, but I have silica in a few including the little Phoenix RDA I use to test new juices. Often times between flavors all I do is dab most of the juice off of the deck and wick with a napkin and then dry burn the wick/coil clean. I only have a tiny bit of wick in it so that I can dry burn it and change flavors several times and quickly in a tasting session. Haven't had one with a burnt taste yet.


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