DNA250C Replay - what's the big deal?

[Beamslider]

I use TC almost exclusively and have been quite satisfied with it. It works well for me. It had a learning curve just like most other things do to get it working right. I have found that dna mods and the Hohmtech mods work great for me in TC. I don't know about YiHi chips as I don't have any mods with them, they may be good too. As for other chips like the joyetech I have had limited success with them. They just don't cut it.

I have several dna mods but most are 75W and only have one mod that would support replay. I will give it a try on that mod when it is available for it. I will wait and see if it is something I like or not. At any rate, I won't be buying a mod to use it as the TC already works fine.

 

[Steamer861]

Wire chart for replay
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The chart is showing that you indeed need a TC capable wire for Replay
The third line shows combo coils (Claptons) You can make a Clapton coil with TC wire cores & wrap it with Kanthol or Nichrome & it will still work in TC

Not sure why someone Wouldn't want to refer to Replay as a Form of TC?

Because that is Exactly what it does. It Regulates Coil Temperature to give a Desire Hit.

untar is Correct! Replay is technically not TC, Buy definition TC sets a certain temp & will not exceed it. Replay repeats a set of parameters, it will consistently hit the same
But the set temp isn't the controlling factor

 

[untar]

Not sure why someone Wouldn't want to refer to Replay as a Form of TC?

I explained that over several posts now.
The question is rather why would one want to call it a form of TC?

The chart is showing that you indeed need a TC capable wire for Replay

Yes, that's the chart that also comes with the lost vape 250c I mentioned above. You can activate "replay-pk" though and that will work (more or less) with Kanthal, essentially proving this isn't TC.
They didn't built in some AC ping magic like hohmtech or dicodes to do TC with Kanthal else that material would be in the default release version.

the set temp isn't the controlling factor

Exactly. You can't even set a temperature or view a temperature in the escribe monitoring tool. If you want to let's say vape exactly at 420°F then you'll have a hard time doing that with Replay.
Just because the temperature is limited doesn't mean it's temperature control.
We don't call a plane a car just because it has wheels.

 

[Letitia]

But the set temp isn't the controlling factor

Why is that important? You are still getting the perfect temp when you ask it to repeat the perfect hit.

 

[zoiDman]

untar is Correct! Replay is technically not TC, Buy definition TC sets a certain temp & will not exceed it. Replay repeats a set of parameters, it will consistently hit the same
But the set temp isn't the controlling factor

And that is Why I Didn't say Replay was TC. But a Form of TC.

We can Debate Semantics, but at a Fundamental Level, the hit a person gets is Largely Dependent on the Temperature of the Coil.

And isn't that what Replay does? Controls the Temperature of the Coil?

 

[Steve Parry]

While I agree with your comments Steve you have to consider that Evolv has done something very few small American companies have ever done. They have created a technology made in the USA that they export to China in volume. Evolv has become a very important supplier in this emerging industry. They only have 22 employees because they have automated but still manufacture in America. This is a model worth noting. As a company they are a major success story.

None of what I said was intended to be critical of Evolv. I'm using one of their products right now. I'm critical of temp control in general (wait for it) from my personal vaping perspective. It's a gimmick. It doesn't prevent burnt hits, it just has settings that prevent burnt hits. They also coincidently prevent me from vaping the way I vape. ON the extremely rare occasion that I'm in TC mode, I run the mod at around 550. So I will get a burnt hit if I don't treat it like Kanthal.

Now, for the people it works for? Great. They can setup profiles for their different tanks and get along without much fidgeting. For me, I never use it, so I get the convenience offered originally by Evolv and their crazy variable wattage Darwins and Kicks. I change a topper and just keep on hitting the fire button.

There are a number of videos up now for the paranormal from the likes of todd, mike vapes, bogan, etc and they all basically call it a 'game changer'.

Those are every reviewers favorite words. Everything is a "game changer" or "(insert product name here) killer", no matter how silly or insignificant the product.

 

[Steamer861]

Why is that important? You are still getting the perfect temp when you ask it to repeat the perfect hit.

The whole safety factor is the issue! With TC if you set 450 Degrees it will not exceed it. With Replay your guessing.
You's all know about the "Toxins" ? Around 470 degrees & above the Toxins in Vapor multiply exponentially

 

[stols001]

Wait so it monitors temp, but your "perfect hit" has to be within "TC range" to be safe? Is there a way to find/figure that out? It would be useful if the coil or mod, or whatever is being used provides that information? Does it? Because I mostly believe my "perfect hit" is going to be under the "safe" limit, but I don't know for sure, and does "repeating" that perfect hit, over and over if chain vaping cause it to rise?

IDK, seems like there are a lot of unknowns with this stuff... IDK. I'm sure "more will be revealed?" But surely the "leaders" in TC aren't going to want people to "replay" a dangerous hit, over and over? Perhaps I am being too naïve here but I can't really imagine that "Replay" is a huge game changer unless it can actually do those things?

Anna

 

[Beamslider]

If you set TC at 450 it will not exceed it? Don't agree with that. You have no way to measure the temp accurately. You may set it 450 on the device and end up with 400, or even 500

 

[Letitia]

The whole safety factor is the issue! With TC if you set 450 Degrees it will not exceed it. With Replay your guessing.
You's all know about the "Toxins" ? Around 470 degrees & above the Toxins in Vapor multiply exponentially

You can duplicate your intended temp with replay.

 

[Steve Parry]

The whole safety factor is the issue! With TC if you set 450 Degrees it will not exceed it. With Replay your guessing.
You's all know about the "Toxins" ? Around 470 degrees & above the Toxins in Vapor multiply exponentially

As I understand it, you can turn replay off and just use TC and I can turn it off and just use power mode.

 

[zoiDman]

The whole safety factor is the issue! With TC if you set 450 Degrees it will not exceed it. With Replay your guessing.
You's all know about the "Toxins" ? Around 470 degrees & above the Toxins in Vapor multiply exponentially

Who said anything about "Safety"?

Just about everyone I know (outside of the ECF) who uses TC has No Clue as to what happens to what at a given Temperature. They just use TC so they Don't get a Bad Tasting Dry Hit.

I Don't Really Care what people call Replay. Or what they think Replay Shouldn't be Called. If Replay isn't a Form of TC to someone, that's Fine. Just like if Replay is a Form of TC to someone else, that's Fine also.

Perhaps where the Disconnect occurs is Not Everyone defines TC the Same Way. I define TC as something that Controls the Temperature of a Wire.

That's all.

 

[zoiDman]

Wait so it monitors temp, but your "perfect hit" has to be within "TC range" to be safe? Is there a way to find/figure that out? It would be useful if the coil or mod, or whatever is being used provides that information? Does it? Because I mostly believe my "perfect hit" is going to be under the "safe" limit, but I don't know for sure, and does "repeating" that perfect hit, over and over if chain vaping cause it to rise?

IDK, seems like there are a lot of unknowns with this stuff... IDK. I'm sure "more will be revealed?" But surely the "leaders" in TC aren't going to want people to "replay" a dangerous hit, over and over? Perhaps I am being too naïve here but I can't really imagine that "Replay" is a huge game changer unless it can actually do those things?

Anna

Now you are Talking about "Intent" and or "Consequences". And that Isn't what Replay Does. Or what TC Does for that matter.

You dial in the Mod to get the Hit you Like, and then Replay attempts to Replicate the Hit. Replay Selling Point is you are Not Supposed to have to have to Fool with Selecting Wire Type or use Custom TCR Values.

Just get the Hit the way you want it, and Replay tries to give you that same Hit.

 

[Steamer861]

If you set TC at 450 it will not exceed it? Don't agree with that. You have no way to measure the temp accurately. You may set it 450 on the device and end up with 400, or even 500

Maybe if your using some China Mod TC? The DNA monitors Temp in Real time

Who said anything about "Safety"?

Just about everyone I know (outside of the ECF) who uses TC has No Clue as to what happens to what at a given Temperature. They just use TC so they Don't get a Bad Tasting Dry Hit.

I Don't Really Care what people call Replay. Or what they think Replay Shouldn't be Called. If Replay isn't a Form of TC to someone, that's Fine. Just like if Replay is a Form of TC to someone else, that's Fine also.

Perhaps where the Disconnect occurs is Not Everyone defines TC the Same Way. I define TC as something that Controls the Temperature of a Wire.

That's all.

I agree with a lot of what your saying here The biggest Advantage to TC is no Dry Hits!
Evolv made public there research on the "Toxins" Thinking it would drive more people to TC vape. But it didn't Stats show a real low # of full time TC users.
So they came at it from a different angle, take the best features of TC & make them work another way "Replay"

Most China Mods are so inaccurate that the whole 470 degree thing is lost any way!
You can still run the 250c the old fashion TC way, I do!

 

[Steve Parry]

Perhaps where the Disconnect occurs is Not Everyone defines TC the Same Way. I define TC as something that Controls the Temperature of a Wire.

This is an excellent point. It's temp control, not a thermostat.

 

[Beamslider]

Maybe if your using some China Mod TC? The DNA monitors Temp in Real time

Sorry but it does not monitor temp in real time. It measures resistance change and guesses at temp. DNA or not you still don't know the actual temp

And very few non chinese mods even with DNA chip

 

[Steamer861]

Sorry but it does not monitor temp in real time. It measures resistance change and guesses at temp. DNA or not you still don't know the actual temp

And very few non chinese mods even with DNA chip

@mikepetro Can you chime in Here?
Thanks

 

[zoiDman]

I agree with a lot of what your saying here The biggest Advantage to TC is no Dry Hits!
Evolv made public there research on the "Toxins" Thinking it would drive more people to TC vape. But it didn't Stats show a real low # of full time TC users.
So they came at it from a different angle, take the best features of TC & make them work another way "Replay"

Most China Mods are so inaccurate that the whole 470 degree thing is lost any way!
You can still run the 250c the old fashion TC way, I do!

JMO...

But I don't think Evolv cares if you are Inhaling Toxins or Not. As long as you are Using one of their Boards to Do whatever it is you Do.

What I see is the Majority of the e-Cigarette Market not using TC. Be it people don't see a Need. Or that they Tried an early adaptation of TC and it Didn't work very well. Or that people don't understand how to even get TC up and Running.

So Evolv does what Any Smart market player would do. They Dream up a Better Mouse Trap.

Maybe it will Fall Flat on its Face? Or maybe it will be received much the same way current TC is received? Or maybe it will be a "Game Changer".

I dunno?

All I know is if Replay does what it says, then there should be a Big Market for it. Especially among New or Semi-New Vapers. It Also Fits will into a Potential FDA Regulated Framework.

 

[Nailz]

I've never got TC to work right for me, will get a good vape when 1st setup, but then when set it down and pick back up, I get a weak vape, have about 10 DNA chip mods and use them all in wattage.

I will give this replay a try when can get on the DNA75, and see if have more luck with it, but have to understand how to work it 1st though.

 

[untar]

I define TC as something that Controls the Temperature of a Wire.

Then it's easy because that's not what replay does nor what it claims to do.

-for all we know it doesn't have a data point for temperature, unless you want to assume evolv are willfully keeping that data away from escribe users, which I find hard to believe. If they could extract meaningful temperature data from replay then why wouldn't they?
-replay with Kanthal is underways, try to control the temperature there (without some AC ping magic à la hohmtech or dicodes)
-you're giving temperature a role that isn't implied by the premise of replay at all. It tries to give you the same experience you recorded, how do you know that wouldn't include going over the temperature you recorded the draw at in certain circumstances if it reproduces the draw better according to other parameters?

Of course we can call it anything we want, even pizzasausage is a valid name. Only not a very meaningful one.
By calling it temperature control you're implying a lot of things we have no evidence of happening in replay.
Why not use the name they gave it? Why is there even a need to find another name for it?