Dont call them E-cig's or Electronic cigarettes!

[Astatine]

My view is that the stigma and association to cigarettes is justified. It seems that most users of e-cigs are former smokers. That's a pretty strong association. As for the stigma, I don't see vaping as any more virtuous than smoking. It's an other habit, vice, or whatever you'd like to call it.

The big advantage of the term electronic cigarette (or e-ecig) is that most people have at least heard of it and know that it is different. As for the people who are against legal drugs (alcohol, nicotine, and others) they will always be against them. It doesn't matter what you call the delivery system.

I still use the term e-cig and don't plan on changing unless there is a reason I find compelling.

 

[guitarmeetsjake]

YES! I always refer to mine as a vaporizer as well. They really aren't anything like cigarettes, other than the fact that they contain nicotine. If vaporizers were referred to as such instead of being referred to as electronic cigarettes, the connection would eventually fade and therefore, they could become their own product instead of being produced as cigarette knock-offs. I hate that they're allowed to be classified as a "tobacco product". It's stupid and it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[Baldr]

I tend to call mine a vaporizer, and call what I do with it "vaping" not "smoking".

I'll use the term "E-cigarette" sometimes when explaining it, since people tend to know what that is, but it's not a cigarette, and I'm not smoking, so overall, I try to avoid those terms.

 

[iBANKAI]

let the PV revolution continue..

 

[soundasleep]

I tend to call mine a vaporizer, and call what I do with it "vaping" not "smoking".

I'll use the term "E-cigarette" sometimes when explaining it, since people tend to know what that is, but it's not a cigarette, and I'm not smoking, so overall, I try to avoid those terms.

Whenever I've been explaining to ppl I've found that if I use the term PV I just get odd looks. If I say electronic cigarettes then I get the "I've heard of that" nod and can get on with the proper explaination. Given I usually use a Provari there is no mistaking it for an analog but I usually have a backup 510 PCC so I just show that too and explain that the carto is the "main bit" and there are just different battery options.

I always call it vaping after explaining what the exhale actually is. Distancing ourselves from cigarettes will always be a challenge due to the mass media but distancing our actions from smoking is much easier - especially after somebody smells the cloud

 

[tmcase]

Well, I guess I'll be the first one to disagree. While I don't agree that the term PV should be used, nobody knows it. It's easier to just say "electric cigarette" cause the whole world pretty much knows about those. I would rather say "e-cig" than sit there and say PV, then I'd have to explain what that stands for, they'd still be clueless, so I'd have to explain what it does. If you say e-cig, they say "ahhh ok" and you don't have to explain anything. Same end result, why take the long route when it comes out to the same thing? *shrug*

I agree with you to a point. I prefer PV myself, but like you said, if somebody asks me what that is and I say PV, they are going to look at me pretty strangely and ask what the heck is a PV and I really don't want to have to explain it when I'm out trying to have a good time. But then again, If I'm hanging with a friend that smokes and they want to know more about it then you can't shut me up and I'll work PV into the lesson.

 

[tmcase]

I'm somewhat confused about this statement. We are in the subforum named "General E-Smoking Discussion", in a thread titled, "Dont call them E-cig's or Electronic cigarettes!", and you are saying there's no sense in discussing the subject of the thread?

It's pretty much the same as walking into a church and telling the people sitting there that religion is dumb and there's no point in what they believe in.

What's the point in debating this really? I agree, this is the thread to do it but what's the point? Even if we did all agree on a new name, which is never going to happen, and every member in the forum started using the new name, it's still going to be an electronic cigarette to non vapers. You would have to take the new name a lot farther then just this forum. You would have to convince every vendor that sells PVs to use the new name and I doubt very much that China will cooperate.

 

[MagnusEunson]

Is it odd that Personal Vaporizer makes me think of Personal Massagers?

While I think the juice/ejuice versus nicquid debate is one to be had.. I'm unsure PVs vs ecigs would be quite the same.

I'll stick with e-cigs and nicquid for now.. -Magnus

 

[romaniac]

Mobile Aroma Therapy !

 

[wdave]

for you it seems like a matter of inconvenience.

this is not just for you. its a notice for all people vapers or not to differentiate ourselves from smokers. also when asked about it why would you feel like not sharing the world of vaping with them? do you not feel that vaping is a wonderful thing ? i dont get it. why not share and save a life or make an impact for change in others..

i guess im a humanitarian?

Attraction not promotion. You don't have any help to give anybody until you have vaped a long time and people start taking you seriously.

 

[GIMike]

Well, your main problem is, fighting for your right to do something illegal. I could see your point if you were fighting for something on the brink of becoming illegal. If there was a law being written up or voted on that was about to make it illegal. But sorry, it's already illegal, the fight is over now. You can fight to make it legal again, and then your right to use it after it's legal. But until then, you don't have the right to smoke that just like I don't have the right to go 110 down the interstate or do wheelies just because I can and if I wanted to. Wants don't equal rights.

 

[JTman]

I don't like having my pv associated with cigs either. I always loved the act of smoking, just something relaxing and enjoying about it. Now that I have used it to quit I will continue to use it for pleasure. When someone asks me what it is I tell them its my personal vaporizer. I use it to inhale nicotine infused liquid. Some may say "oh an e-cig?" and I tell them yeah pretty much. Others just accept my explaination at face value.

 

[sfgiants]

I'm right there with you bro but its really the noobs who call it an electronic cigarette. I know I did when I started vaping about a year ago.

 

[GIMike]

I'm right there with you bro but its really the noobs who call it an electronic cigarette. I know I did when I started vaping about a year ago.

So even though I've been vaping for almost 3 years, and I still call it an e-cigarette, that means I'm a noob?

 

[K24A3]

What it comes down to is that it depends on who you are talking to (as mentioned earlier by others).

If you are out with mates, you would call it an e-cig.

If your boss was asking, you would call it a personal vaporizer to distance yourself from analog smokers.

The term "E-cig" will always be around until everyone on the planet are familiar with them.

 

[Rhapsodies Fire]

Right there with ya, Jonny!

 

[nastos.]

It's more about what it does not what its called.

 

[ndnshift]

well everyone's got valid points...
been vaping for a while, and like all of us, have to explain it to everyone i meet... it is much easier to say ecig and then talk about the differences. talking to people that already know about it or other vapers, its a PV. the problem is there's not really a better name that makes sense and doesnt have any cigarette connotations.

when i tried calling it a personal vaporizer (not PV) to the public, just listening to myself say it made me think it should be vaporizing something else. and i'm sure that's what most people think... fwiw, i have a PV for that, so what the heck do you call those

i think the way we should approach it is to call it an ecig, not an "electronic cigarette". most people hear "cigarette" and as mentioned, have difficulty separating their subconscious from the masses' opinion of smoking. when you say ecig, people are starting to know what they are and it is easier to explain the differences and have the back of their mind associate more positively with the term than hearing "electronic cigarette"

opinions are certainly made through repetition... people know that cig = cigarette, but since we're mostly ex-smokers, is it common to hear or say "i'm going out for a cig"? more likely, "i'l going out for a smoke/i'd really like a cigarette/can i bum a smoke" etc... point is, most people have not made that same level of connection with "cig" vs. "cigarette" or "smoke"...

also, why do we call it a *personal* vaporizer. we only need "personal" if there's some sort of public vaporizer out there

 

[TNTAbilene]

Full disclosure: I've been vaping a year and call it an electronic cigarette. I think the term Personal Vaporizer, while technically accurate, is somewhat akin to lying by omission although I do refer to it when dealing with others who understand. The term Personal Steamer is an outright lie. I've heard others but can't think of them off the top of my head. Anyway, that wasn't my point.

I'm wondering if this naming schtick correlates to those wanting to dissassociate themselves from smokers for the benefit of being able to vape somewhere they wouldn't be allowed to smoke? I've read in a few threads about the different names used, mostly within the context of being asked in public.

If Jane Public convinces a business owner to allow her "personal steamer" inside, that seems like a small victory towards "acceptance" to her. I get that, but what happens when Joe Public walks in the door behind her and announces he's simply using an electronic cigarette? In my mind, that business owner will then realize he was decieved and IMHO that doesn't further the cause.

If perception is reality (vaping = smoking to the 'anti' group) then wouldn't it be more effective to simply take the few minutes to educate others using factual information instead of trying to fool them? Just my $0.02.

By the way, there are valid points on both sides of this discussion and I enjoyed reading them. Thanks to all.

 

[Darrigaaz]

The term Personal Steamer is an outright lie.

And you came to this conclusion how? The devices turn a liquid into STEAM. Hence, it's a steamer.

If perception is reality (vaping = smoking to the 'anti' group) then wouldn't it be more effective to simply take the few minutes to educate others using factual information instead of trying to fool them? Just my $0.02.

Have you ever tried to explain a really simple concept to somebody who just doesn't want to believe what you have to say? No matter how much logic or evidence you use, the other person just is too stubborn and close minded to even consider the possibility that they are wrong.

Enter the concept of smoking. Pretty much everybody out there associates cigarettes with cancer. Just by using the word cigarette, their mind automatically thinks of cancer. With that kind of stigma associated with cigarettes, are you enough of a sadist to want to start educating people on the differences between paper cigarette and electronic cigarette? Keep in mind that unless they are a smoker that is thinking about quitting, they probably aren't going to care enough to go home and come to ECF to "research" how much safer it really is.