E-Cigs are really looked down upon by recent quitters.

[PTJD]

Vocalek, I see your trying to make head way there, I don't think its gonna work. You have been branded a "Dealer" over there, should we change you to supplier status here?
Look if that was a weight loss forum, and I was 70lbs over weight and dropped 60lbs, they would all be happy for me. For some reason that forum has you as a failure until you drop that last 10lbs. Thats how I equate vaping to, yeah maybe not quite as healthy as a total non-smoker but I sure would rather be 10lbs overweight than 70lbs!

 

[Vocalek]

...big tobacco has made my case for me.

Sammy quoted a BT document:

...if we are to attract the non-smoker or pre-smoker, there is nothing in this type of product that he would currently understand or desire. We have deliberately played down the role of nicotine, hence the non-smoker has little or no knowledge of what satisfactions it may offer him, and no desire to try it. Instead, we somehow must convince him with wholly irrational reasons that he should try smoking, in the hope that he will for himself then discover the real 'satisfactions' obtainable.

That's exactly right! The non-smoker (or "pre-smoker") has no idea that nicotine is beneficial. The world has been brainwashed into thinking that it is nicotine that causes the smoking-related diseases.

Kids don't start smoking because they want to experience nicotine. They start smoking because their "cool" friends are doing it.

The PV does not look "cool". Even adults think it is "dorky" to use a "fake cigarette." So the chances that this product will addict new users are extremely slim.

As for serving as a gateway to tobacco smoking:

Assuming that the PV remains available, why would anyone in their right mind want to switch to tobacco cigarettes? "Gee, I'm getting all the nicotine I need from PVs, but I want to inhale real smoke, stink, be kicked outside into the cold, gunk up my lungs, and get cancer! Yeah, gimme some of that!"

If the PV becomes unavailable, tragically, many users will be forced to switch back to the only adequate source of nicotine: tobacco.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

I think that what the Cold Turkeys really resent is our relatively painless transition. We invalidate the "nobility" of their suffering, showing it to be unnecessary. They have to maintain their aggressive stance on nicotine to keep themselves "on the straight and narrow" and to save face. It's like that hateful personal trainer chick on "The Biggest Loser." You would think she would be more empathetic because she used to be Biggie-Size herself. Fat chance. You hate most in others what you fear most in yourself. The hostile ex-smokers are not Nazis. They are just suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
... I just tell them that now they have a better option if ever they fall off the wagon... Quitting smoking is the easiest thing in the world to do, I've done it dozens of times. Staying Quit, now that's the hardest thing. The consensus at work is: "Congratulations! Do whatever works for you."

Ben - I just wanted to say that this is extremely insightful and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Thank you!

 

[sherid]

If you want to flame me incessantly, I'll understand

I'm one of the militant .......s on the forum you linked to, that quit the hard way as you like to put it.

Overall, I'm not a fan of the PV, or e-cig, or whatever terminology we wish to use, not because I don't think it can be successfully used to quit smoking, but because of the attitude that some PV'ers have displayed on our forums.

Despite our url and name "QuitSmokingMessageBoard.com", we really are a site that advocates the freedom from nicotine, not just no longer smoking analogs. And yes, we do accept NRT as a method of quitting, providing of course that the intention is to get off the NRT eventually. We are not the Freedom boards who advocate that cold turkey is the ONLY way to go.

But getting back on topic, we've seen most people who advocate the PV's to be advocating them as a replacement to analog, as opposed to actually getting off nicotine as a whole. We're not a bunch of bitter .......s who are angry because we've deprived ourselves of nicotine...we're a bunch of joyous .......s because we're free.

I've read this thread, and I'd be interested to know the results of any study comparing other quit methods with PV's...although I don't think that the rates of PV's will be any better than other forms of NRT. I think they'll show similar numbers to NRT for going back to analogs, and similar numbers of people who aren't smoking but addicted to the NRT.

For our quit smoking home, we don't see the choice to change the nicotine delivery method to be any different from still smoking. Yes, its healthier than an analog (or at least probably is), but it doesn't fit into our beliefs of freedom from nicotine.

If anyone thinks I'm being disrespectful, I do apologise in advance...I'm not trying to come into your "home" and tell you that you guys all suck and that our way is the way you have to go...I'm just trying to help anyone that cares to understand why the e-cig evangelists tend to be bashed around in our forums. And as I stated in the beginning, if you want to bash me around, please feel free...I've got think skin

Good luck all, and I hope that everyone here who wishes to will remain free from analogs, and someday be free from nicotine too.

Sammy

I have been free of intentionally inhaling dangerous chemicals and addictive poisons for 8 Months, 4 Weeks, 1 Day, 16 hours and 18 minutes (271 days). I have avoided using 4,075 nicotine delivery devices, giving me an extra $1,740.76 to enjoy 2 Weeks, 3 hours and 35 minutes of life I would not have had.

Did the deprivation of nicotine make you lose your ability to read and comprehend. E cigs are a cigarette alternative, not a cessation product. We like smoking, an we like nicotine. We have simply switched brands. Other than preaching the gospel of anti smoking/nicotine, what is your purpose here? You have decided to go one way. We have decided to go another way. Enjoy your freedom from nicotine, but it should be clear by now that most of us are not into that. If we were, we would be posting on your board. Have a nice day.

 

[Vocalek]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/campaigning-discussions/36758-effective-advocacy.html

Sherid: Sammy came here because some of us DID post on her forum. She asked some insightful questions and hopefully she understands our position a little better now.

Both forums have something in common: A desire to rid ourselves of the harmful effects of tobacco smoke. We simply have opposite approaches to the problem.

Sammy and her friends believe that total nicotine abstinence is the only way. Most of our members believe that people who want or need nicotine should have the right to obtain it without sacrificing their physical health.

What is needed is a forum where anyone can be supported, regardless of their chosen method of quitting.

 

[Maz917]

Without jumping into this debate I just want to say that I actually saw this thread on the QSMB FIRST.
I was researching ways to quit smoking and was lurking thru this message board when this thread popped up.

I had never even heard of an e-cig before this thread !

I'm no expert on anything. I just started vaping yesterday. Today is my first day with no anaologs.
and btw - I am not finding it an easy fix. (It is still not easy for me to not smoke an anolog but I am finally doing it and actually excited about it )

I am just finding it an interesting debate and both sides have very valid points.

I do think it extremely interesting that if I didn't lurk thru this site that i may never have known what an e-cig is !
( i think that's what many on that QSMB were worried about and why they locked the thread )

 

[trog100]

the most effective way to quit an addiction is to build up some kind of irrational hatred to the thing you are trying to quit and anything even vaguely associated with it...

to them an e cig is just another form of smoking and equally addictive.. which makes it equally as bad.. lots of people will take this stance not just ex smokers or those trying to quit for real..

its just the make they have to be.. haters of smoking and anything vaguely connected to it.. i doubt they will ever be on our side..

trog

 

[ALUCARD]

well what do you expect? These folks are trying to quit the hard way, they're ...... off...too bad their minds are closed but you meet ALL KINDS on the internet, you can't save everybody ( from themselves). Oh don't get me wrong, many of us may end up more addicted to nic than ever before, not me. I just need some help to get the cig monkey off my back then "turn down" the juice strength and I'm finished with nic forever! 6 months to a year at the outside, I've already amazed myself by walking away from cigs, there's no stopping me now! Do you think a bunch of ...... off ex smokers sitting around chewing their gum can really support each other the way we do here? no way. This board rocks, the power to quit is right here people! Take advantage of it, network with somebody here when you consider going back to cigs, we can help you.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[P3rplexity]

Without jumping into this debate I just want to say that I actually saw this thread on the QSMB FIRST.
I was researching ways to quit smoking and was lurking thru this message board when this thread popped up.

I had never even heard of an e-cig before this thread !

I'm no expert on anything. I just started vaping yesterday. Today is my first day with no anaologs.
and btw - I am not finding it an easy fix. (It is still not easy for me to not smoke an anolog but I am finally doing it and actually excited about it )

I am just finding it an interesting debate and both sides have very valid points.

I do think it extremely interesting that if I didn't lurk thru this site that i may never have known what an e-cig is !
( i think that's what many on that QSMB were worried about and why they locked the thread )

I found mine an easy fix, haven't smoked, nor wanted to smoke, an analog since I got my kit in the mail. What kind of PV are you using? That has alot to do with it.


On topic.... Wow, I can't believe how pompous some people are, and ignorant.

What is this rubbish about quitting your addiction to nicotine? Nicotine has a lot health benefits, there have been many studies proving that. I could see how some may say "I don't want to be a slave to my addiction" but come on! They really need to wake up, cigarettes are bad, nicotine is not, it's not quantum physics.

A few benefits to nicotine:http://www.forces.org/evidence/hamilton/other/nicotine.htm

I actually looked up addiction from an online dictionary, and I have a real problem with the first definition. An addiction is NOT synonymous with a controlled substance.

1. a. Compulsive physiological and psychological need for a habit-forming substance: a drug used in the treatment of ...... addiction.
b. An instance of this: a person with multiple chemical addictions.

2. a. The condition of being habitually or compulsively occupied with or or involved in something.
b. An instance of this: had an addiction for fast cars.

The second definition is closer to the correct meaning. An addiction isn't always a bad thing, but upon hearing the word many people already have their minds made up. People are addicted to riding bikes, running, dieting, working out, etc etc. Does the addiction make the person who is addicted a bad person? Of course not!

Sorry to ramble but some people's mindsets just really annoy me. They think they know how to educate us yet because they cannot intelligently debate they just build up a pool of blind hatred, it's honestly very sad.

 

[snus man]

Has any one tried quitting smoking with nicotine and tobacco free snus? Haven’t tried it myself but I have heard a lot about it.

 

[Mah]

I actually find this really weird. I quit (cold turkey) 13 days ago. I know that doesn't make me an expert or even mean that I'll follow through.

Today, two of my friends started discussing the concept of ecigs, and one had seen one on the news last night... I got really, really excited for them. Sure, I quit my way, but that's not the way for everybody and I understand that.

So, as of tonight, the two had ordered (individually) a RN4081 and a 510. I couldn't be happier for them, and they both seem optimistic about getting off cigarettes for the first time ever.

And as for me, this is great, too. I found myself missing the social aspect of smoking with my friends more than anything as time goes on. I expect my M401 and 0 nic vanilla/almond juice any day.

It's not about how you quit, is all I'm getting at. It's about doing it the way you need to.

Cold Turkey Nazi #18171461

 

[vapair]

First off, Hello everyone!! First time on this Forum

I have tried to quit analogs cold with no success, and I have though about quitting even more. I hate them and how they have me by the balls.. I am fully addicted, and enjoy the feeling of smoke in my throat.

After a ton of researching, and saving $ (Laid-off).. I finally ordered a JOYE 510 starter- kit this morning from Healthcabin.net The lady I was dealing with (Amy) was very helpful. I feel good about the experience, and think this is the right choice for me because of its size, and from what I hear the vapor production is quite thick, which I will definitely need.

I hope this is what I need to get away from those dirty cancer sticks. I am ready, just need some help with it. I really like how everyone is so supportive here. I really think I'm on the right track!!

Let those suckers complain. Complaining got me nowhere so far. I hope to be the next smoke free member. Cant wait for my PV !!

 

[quasimod]

... I hope this is what I need to get away from those dirty cancer sticks. ...

I hope so, too: Good luck! I'm a total noob also, and hate to give you advice with so many old-timers around, but here's my 2 cents:

Get some high-nicotine juice, just in case. You don't know what you need, yet. I almost gave up before I realized that all of my frustration with my vaporizer boiled down to me trying to get more out of it than it was designed to give (I'm surprised I didn't suck the battery through the atomizer)! My wife had the same experience. She smoked "light" cigarettes, so went for "medium" (12 mg.) nicotine. Wrong! Turns out the 24 mg. juice that I was using is what works better for her. I need about 36 mg., and yes, that is a REDONKULOUS amount of nicotine, but that's what works for me.

 

[Hookaddict]

All I have to say thank gosh for PV and my 510!!!!! I started smoking when i was 16 started out as a weekend thing while sneaking into bars and hanging out at clubs ( look old for my age) I became a "social smoker" as time went on and in my mid 20's while working which added extra stress on me noticed i started smoking a pack a week. So I made a change and quit cold turkey last december changed my eating habits and started working out, I went from 262 to currently at 215. But then i was suffering from the pains of gallbladder attacks which would last 5 hours( its like a knife in your abs and someone keeps turning it!!!!) Till one day it got so bad I couldnt even tolerate it anymore and went to the hospital. I smoked 3 "lights" that day even thought they tasted bad it helped me call down after the surgrey and the whole time while i was in the hospital all I could think about other than the pain i was in was smoking again to relax me after I got out I was "googling" for an alternative and found out about the e cigarette/PV and was like Oh snap!!! so i ordered from different companies to see which one was good and it has helped with the cravings I have been studying PV's and doing my research for about 2 months on it on the topic, heck i even made e juice in front of my mother and she was shocked like WOW I made non nic e juice and had her try each component of reduced pg e juice just to show her whats in it after educating myself on the topic and trying it for one month theres no way in hell I will touch another analog for the rest of my life. Now Im trying to convert my brothers to PV's cause there smoking habit is WAY worse then mine knowing what ive learned online no one can tell me PV's can be fatal or just as bad as analogs, If the F D A say they are they might as well stop the sales of vegetable glycerin, distilled water, Propylene gycol and artificial food flavoring in everyday products and foods!!! But oh wait, They are all approved by them! Ive read about lab test done for 2 years on rats exposed to nicotine twice the level of a heavy smoker for 20 hours a day for 5 day out of the week and what they found was nothing, just a lose in weight. Also studies done to chimps exposed to propylene glycol for 2 months with no effects what so ever if it was so bad for you why do they use it in fog machines in the clubs that they can breath in and why do they use it on cattle. theres no way I can be convinced this is bad for you I am of good blood pressure 117/74 and my cholesterol is below 80 so I am far from clogging my arteries and raising my blood pressure to bad levels, the nic calms me down and helps with my epilepsy which is stress related so to me I have found the holy grail! keep my nic levels low and keep my social night life alive while trying to help others as well. Sorry if this was too long

 

[ruready]

Being a smoker for 40 years I truly thought that cigs would always be part of my life. I had never heard of an e-cig until a client of mine pulled one out of his pocket and took a drag. I was dumbfounded. He explained what it was and after finding this forum and reading for the next 2 weeks, I ordered a Joye 501 and an Evo.

They arrived in a week or so, I opened the box, put my pack of cigs in the back of the cupboard and haven't even thought of smoking one. I'm only 5 days into vaping but I know that it's already saved my life.

I could have never given up cigarettes with the e-cig. I give all the credit in the world to those who quit cold turkey but for me, I know that was never going to be an option.

As Each day goes by, I still can't believe I'm not smoking an analog. Mabye one day, I won't need an e-cig of any kind but I highly doubt it. It's way too much fun!

 

[JohnnyFusion]

Yeah, ex-smokers are not too crazy about people smoking PVs and being proud of it.

I admit, I didn't quit an addiction. I did however quit doing something very unhealthy.

Oh well. To each their own...

 

[ruready]

Well Said for sure!

 

[vapair]

I hope so, too: Good luck! I'm a total noob also, and hate to give you advice with so many old-timers around, but here's my 2 cents:

Get some high-nicotine juice, just in case. You don't know what you need, yet. I almost gave up before I realized that all of my frustration with my vaporizer boiled down to me trying to get more out of it than it was designed to give (I'm surprised I didn't suck the battery through the atomizer)! My wife had the same experience. She smoked "light" cigarettes, so went for "medium" (12 mg.) nicotine. Wrong! Turns out the 24 mg. juice that I was using is what works better for her. I need about 36 mg., and yes, that is a REDONKULOUS amount of nicotine, but that's what works for me.

Hey thanks man. I did go with a relatively strong dose at 24mg, but I am used to full flavor Canadian Analogs so I may have to go with a 36mg dose. Thanks for sharing your experience. I will have mine in a few days so I will know more then.. The wait is killing me.. Puffing analogs in the meantime, so I mean that literally8-o

 

[vapair]

Being a smoker for 40 years I truly thought that cigs would always be part of my life. I had never heard of an e-cig until a client of mine pulled one out of his pocket and took a drag. I was dumbfounded. He explained what it was and after finding this forum and reading for the next 2 weeks, I ordered a Joye 501 and an Evo.

They arrived in a week or so, I opened the box, put my pack of cigs in the back of the cupboard and haven't even thought of smoking one. I'm only 5 days into vaping but I know that it's already saved my life.

I could have never given up cigarettes with the e-cig. I give all the credit in the world to those who quit cold turkey but for me, I know that was never going to be an option.

As Each day goes by, I still can't believe I'm not smoking an analog. Mabye one day, I won't need an e-cig of any kind but I highly doubt it. It's way too much fun!

Great to hear that after 40 years you are off the death sticks. Go E-Cigs!!

 

[VaporInTheWind]

Wow, some of those posts are martyr prone.