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xtreme101

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I would suggest you to avoid microcoils that stay steady all the time Uno, because to archine this result you oxidise your wire and thats not good at all for your health. My suggestion is to make a coil that has threads close each other. Thats the best coil of all the others.

Dont believe what everyone says around, just be protected and thats my simple advice

compressed coils are ok 44. We just must not burn wires. Letting a wire getting red hot, it may drive to a very unpleasant situation like changes to its structure with unknown results. It may drive an alloy to leach its components for example or to change the properties of a metal.
What is the difference between a microcoil that you suggest to avoid and a compressed coil that is ok? I thought a compressed coil is a microcoil.
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So does this apply to torching the wire before hand as well? I'm sorry if I seem thick, but this "revelation" is new to me and I really would like to know more. Please Imeo, start a new thread either as a sticky or not so we can discuss this topic more profoundly. Thanks
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A microcoil starts life as a compressed coil then is heated to retain it's compression. Imeo suggests that the heating process should be avoided
What is the difference between heating the wire/coil from some torching and firing it up and heating wire/coil on atty?
 

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I'm sorry to go against the current. But here it goes.

The metal oxide of kanthal is alumina Al2O3. The melting point of alumina is 2072 degrees and the boiling point around 3000 degrees. Alumina is also insoluble in water. I'm not saying oxides will not produce fumes but even if they did they will be negligible. To have a considerable amount of fumes the wire would have melted a long time before. Alumina can be found in dirt as well. A match of soccer on dirt can produce more alumina in the air than vaping. Take what I said with a grain of salt. I will do more research and everyone should.
 

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aal you are correct when we heat (torch) kanthal it develops aluminum oxide otherwise known as alumina. This develops even throughout the vaping process without torching hence the gradual increase of the coils resistance with the passage of time. Is it hazardous to our health? Probably to some small extent but no studies have been done.
Workers in smelting who breath long term aluminum oxide (in much larger quantities) have had respiratory problems reported
 

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........and just to clarify there is no issue aalwani about burning aluminum oxide, that's not possible in vaping. The issue is inhaling aluminum oxide.
I disagree with Imeo in that even if we don't torch kanthal it will still produce aluminum oxide through the vaping process. So in reality the only way to avoid aluminum oxide is to not vape.

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Not vape kanthal or Nichrome
 

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aal, lets talk further about this

Alumina in so big quantities (we vape all day) may harm us or will harm us. No one made a research, only suggestions to burn wires. Thats crazy if you agree.

You are right about small parts that come out with cough but we worry about parts that dont come out with cough and thats the very small pieces of components that can be produced from burning metals.

Αn alloy is produced under very special conditions while special gases are present, in a specific temperature and for specific time. Many times catalysts are used during procedure. If these conditions are wrong then the alloy will become unstable and thats what we do when we torch the wires. We destroy their metal structure with unknown results. Kanthal or nichrome can be disrupted to its components in really small pieces and maybe diluteable in our oils. So our concern is not only alumina or any other oxide that is produced.

You know that I studied all those things in university and I know what I am talking about. I am not just a modder that decided to make an e-cigarette to earn money because its still a hobby for me.

And if you want to see what is going on out there, I will remind you the plating procedure. Did anyone said that plating is useless in e-cigs except me? Its because people believe whatever they hear or whatever they think they know.

Another example is the SS mesh on genesis atomizers. Only me says that its not healthy at all when a lot of people are still vaping it. But the last months enough people realize that I was right. A small example is this: Do you eat from a burned SS pan? The most possible is that you will throw it away for several reasons. And imagine that we dont eat from a pan like this when eating is much less harmful the most of the times than inhaling components.

I am not saying something strange, just οbvious things
I'm sorry to go against the current. But here it goes.

The metal oxide of kanthal is alumina Al2O3. The melting point of alumina is 2072 degrees and the boiling point around 3000 degrees. Alumina is also insoluble in water. I'm not saying oxides will not produce fumes but even if they did they will be negligible. To have a considerable amount of fumes the wire would have melted a long time before. Alumina can be found in dirt as well. A match of soccer on dirt can produce more alumina in the air than vaping. Take what I said with a grain of salt. I will do more research and everyone should.
 
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........and just to clarify there is no issue aalwani about burning aluminum oxide, that's not possible in vaping. The issue is inhaling aluminum oxide.
I disagree with Imeo in that even if we don't torch kanthal it will still produce aluminum oxide through the vaping process. So in reality the only way to avoid aluminum oxide is to not vape.

Or

Not vape kanthal or Nichrome

I didnt say that alumina is still produced Steve but be sure that kanthal and nichrome were not made for vaping. They were made for other reason that I dont want to mention here just because I dont want to give ideas to modders before make the construction that I have in my mind
 

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for sure captain.

Chromium is not healthy at all and thats a fact.

I cant be sure what is going on while burning a Chromium alloy it but I can only imagine. I can also imagine what is going on by burning metals when most of them are not healthy even at 20 celsius degrees
 
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