eCigs to be on CBS The Eearly Show - today 2/27

[Rockbassray]

Doctors are there to provide ANSWERS to your question, to your issue.. not to give you some BS non-backed up thoughts, moments before you air on TV. This Doctor and the TV crew had there Answer before they recorded the show..
( Camera zooms in on the Man showing the disgusted look on his face... that was too perfect of timing )
( Doctor throwing out nothing but Negative comments and replies when he himself has done NO TESTING what so ever on this product)
( the Woman using her paper to blow the VAPOR away from the old man cause she doesn't know if it is safe )

I mean come on how much more scripted can you get

And again with the FDA... let me put this out as many of know..perhaps this will make it a bit more clear..

"The FDA claims that they can only regulate things which fall under the two categories, namely foods and drugs."

"Herbal remedies, which are classified under dietary supplements, are composed of processed or unprocessed elements such as plant barks, extracts and essential oils. Since they are considered as dietary supplements, they are not regulated by the FDA like drugs or prescription medications."

From my understanding Nicotine in the E-cigarette is EXTRACTED from a plant... Which would place it as an Herbal Remedy and therefore can not be Approved by the FDA. SO all this constant jibber jabber of FDA approval needs to either come with an answer or NOTHING at all when you are on TV.. I mean come on NEWS !! TV MEDIA they are to provide us with the facts the " story" not a scripted storyline made up.

 

[skullsoup432]

Lack of responsible journalism is correct. As I stated previously, to many people tune into this drivel and take ole Harry Smith (and others like him) as hard hitting, curios reporters. NO, not even close. They ask pre written questions, knowing the answers and act like they are unbiased.
I'm not saying the media is anti smoking, it is just that the Today Show has already put people into a negative mindset against us.This is a disservice to all people, smokers and non smokers alike.
It just added fuel to the anti smoking/vaping zealots nation wide.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Everyone should give them a post as they will just trash the emails and letters but a post on the website is front and center--Here is mine:

This is a rank abuse of using due dillegence in a news story as you should have interviewed a doctor that had facts--not someone who made misrepresentation and did not know what where talking about. It is readily known and available knowledge that Ruyan just had Pony Testing do a full work up on their e-cigarette and found nothing harmful at all
:
PONY TEST(Short for PONY TESTing International Group),the leading testing organization, has qualification of the CNAS and CMA, gets mutually recognized agreement including USA, UK, Germany etc. 58 countries and regions. As a large comprehensive testing organization which runs on the basis of ISO/IEC 17925, the report provided by PONY TEST obtain international approval and international notarization & credit. Up to now, we have set up 4 large laboratories in China, 6 branches and 21 offices in UK, HK etc., formed an international testing network. In 2007, it honored "Deloitte Technology Fast 50 China" and "Deloitte Technology Fast 500 Asia Pacific". See PONY TEST

Here are the four new reported test results performed for Ryan by Pony and they are very encouraging. Note. Click on the photo after opening to enlarge the photo. So lets get some accuracy in your reporting please?--Sun

Results For Propylene Glycol
http://www.ruyan.com.cn/UploadFile/20081120052241578.jpg
Results For Chemical Reaction When Cartridge is Atomized
http://www.ruyan.com.cn/UploadFile/20081120052835906.jpg
Results For Zero Nicotine Cartridge and Temperature
http://www.ruyan.com.cn/UploadFile/20081120051915593.jpg
Results For Nicotine in Cartridges
http://www.ruyan.com.cn/UploadFile/20081120052713875.jpg


Posted by Sun-- at 1:36 PM : Feb 27, 2009

Here is link where you can post response-- http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-100_162-4833343.html?assetTypeId=30

 

[billster88]

I mean...jeez..where does one even begin to comment on the way this whole thing was presented...I know we all keep saying it's an alternative to smoking analogs...but we all know one thing..it does help you cut out most analogs that we used to smoke in a day...We can do the studies and they can show that ...but even then we will have naysayers about the product..I have many people that thank god for whomever invented this idea because they have been stuck smoking analogs for so many years and had no hope of getting off them...including myself(former 3 packs a day) ...I could go on and on about the benefits of e-cigs but there is always someone with an agenda ready to say "made in china" to anything positive we can prove on the positive side of this product...let's hope we get some more real unbiased reports soon...to say we don't know for sure if they are safe..that is a fair assumption...but to condemn the product right off the bat is totally uncalled for...sorry for my rant...just bugs me to no end when I see stuff like that...Cheers!!

Bill

 

[Rockbassray]

If they want to get nick-picky with Made in China.. then we need to return about 95% of everything we own... and that probably will include the television cameras they used to record that scripted show.! and the chairs.. and the wireless mics.. ok i am done... time for Pizza!!!.. ahh crap the cardboard sheet underneath says " Made in China"...

 

[Liberate_Yourself]

I skimmed through everyone's posts, and didn;t see this mentioned yet.. But if the doctor mentioned that it may be sold to adolescents, and that is the consensus of the powers that be, then these could be as doomed as the nic water. Camel had to pull their special exotic flavor tins (I miss my Izmir Stingers ) after they were accused of marketing to a younger crowd.. it could happen again with eCigs.. just a thought.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Liberate -

My take on this is simply a bold faced lie the doctor stated. Have you ever heard or seen these marketed to adolescents? I haven't and I spend a load of time on the Internet and on this forum and the others. I don't even see a color scheme that targets minors.

If someone is marketing these to kids, then that individual is a shop/kiosk owner who doesn't know any better and their "supplier" should yank their resale license if they don't get it for contribution to a minor first.

And what screwed Nicotine water is that they were sold next to regular water. They weren't put behind the counter or in shops that had a minimum age.

 

[BlueSun]

One way to discourage young people or non-vapers from getting addicted might be to to charge LESS for the e-cigs with 0mg nic. Say, make a pack of e-cigs $2 cheaper and people (especially teens) might go for those first. If I was a teen with not much disposable income, I'd buy the cheaper ones, because, initially, it's usually not the nicotine that attracts them to smoking anyway but the cool factor. *

The doctor's comment that one can get addicted to nicotine on the first puff is ironic, since he's an ex-smoker and had no problem taking a drag of it on air. Isn't that like handing alcohol to an alcoholic who's quit drinking? The next thing you know, that doc is going to be a secret vapor and start haunting these forums anonymously.

* Not that I'm encouraging teens to vape, but you know they will anyway.

 

[Doostin]

I agree that we shouldn't be talking about it as a smoking cessation device. Just tell it how it is, its a mini-smoke machine that vapourizes fluid with nicotine suspended in it. Then you can talk about how it has helped you smoke less or no cigarettes now. I think that should be okay.

I think these things should fall into whatever category the patch and gum and all that stuff fall under, it only makes sense, as the essence of the e-cigarette is an alternative method of nicotine delivery, like all of the others.

I think proof that these things are effective at stopping smoking tobacco won't take very long. Yes they probably have to test 5000 smokers, and giver them all e-cigs and blackberrys with proprietary software to report usage statistics for analysis. But for now, I haven't read of one case of people smoking the same or more cigarettes in a day since using the e-cig. In fact, most people smoke only a few, if any cigarettes since using an e-cig. This trend would be fairly hard to disprove, but until that happens just talk about what it is for you and how its helped others you know stop smoking tobacco.

I look forward to further studies being conducted. I'm not worried about the e-liquid as much as I'm worried about possibly inhaling polymers and/or metals from the unit itself.

All in all, the benefits out-weigh the risks in my opinion. And I'm sure current risks, if any, would be completely eliminated with just a bit more R&D and Quality Control.

I also think these things can be made very eco friendly. Based on innovative ways of extending life to the atomizers and cartridges, there can be very few disposables. If it weren't for poor battery performance, the only waste these would produce is a little filler material, and empty e-liquid bottles which could be refilled, reused, or recycled (of course batteries would eventually die out, but not at the current rate). I think the HP ColorJet principle should apply here, give us a great printer for a decent price (e-cig), and keep our business by selling us ink (e-liquid).

They are definitely no-where near as unsightly as cigarettes, yellow fingers, nasty teeth, wrinkly skin, and cigarette .... litter.

FDA bullcrap aside, these things still have plenty of leverage and huge potential over traditional smoking.

 

[Doostin]

I will try looking for material with Health Canada. I don't think they would have the same trouble categorizing these there. The Canadian FDA equivalent would be Canadian Food Inspection Agency and Health Canada. And we don't really have a dedicated ATF agency here.

 

[OutWest]

CBS News has run a very long article with quotes from the doc on The Early Show but with a whole lot more info (including how some international experts believe them to be relatively safe) Chinese "E-Cigs" Get Attention, Scrutiny - CBS News

also an interesting bit from the article

In the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration has "detained and refused" several brands of electronic cigarettes because they were considered unapproved new drugs and could not be legally marketed in the country, said press officer Christopher Kelly.

He did not give more details, but said the determination of whether an e-cig is a drug is made on a case-by-case basis after the agency considers its intended use, labeling and advertising.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

CBS News has run a very long article with quotes from the doc on The Early Show but with a whole lot more info (including how some international experts believe them to be relatively safe) Chinese "E-Cigs" Get Attention, Scrutiny - CBS News



also an interesting bit from the article

Outwest--interesting statment here--"a case-by-case basis after the agency considers its intended use, labeling and advertising."



I can see the advertising part of the statement made, but I wonder what the standard is for intended use---sounds abritrary at best. Good find Outwest--Sun

 

[Doostin]

That last article looked like a decent piece of journalism giving different sides of the story.

 

[riddle80]

Lots going on today folks!! CBS, MSNBC, this is the time we desperately need good journalism and not the lazy (obviously) anti smoking junk that's been going around. This is also the time when bad marketing is going to bite us in the ....!

I also wanted to also say what a great job everyone did on the comments .

 

[Rockbassray]

Yes as the E-cig takes larger and larger positive steps forward into the public eye, there will be more and more push-backs regarding e-cigs. We as suppliers, customers, readers, Mods etc.. need to stay focused and provide the positive REAL information and hopefully not stray into the side they would like.. which would be negative reactions and comments acting like a little kid.. this topic and posts have been great.. and some excellent statements and thoughts. lets keep it this way.. When the light grows bigger the darkness will try harder to cover it up..

 

[LaceyUnderall]

CBS News has run a very long article with quotes from the doc on The Early Show but with a whole lot more info (including how some international experts believe them to be relatively safe) Chinese "E-Cigs" Get Attention, Scrutiny - CBS News

It's interesting they latched onto this article which was released by AP about the same time their website updated with the CBS morning show. Do you think they are trying to hide the fact that their first attempt was miserably done and horribly researched?

 

[LaceyUnderall]

I will try looking for material with Health Canada. I don't think they would have the same trouble categorizing these there. The Canadian FDA equivalent would be Canadian Food Inspection Agency and Health Canada. And we don't really have a dedicated ATF agency here.

It is my understanding that Health Canada is making their determination by the end of March.

 

[TropicalBob]

If Canada says "no", as Mexico has, that closes borders north and south.

The FDA is already stopping direct importation (sporadic enforcement won't last for long). Before long, we could have an e-cig isolated North America.

Name ONE country that has approved e-devices? We all know well the names of those that have said "no". Alphabetically, begin with Australia ...

 

[Doostin]

Thanks Lacey, I'll definitely look into it...as long as the information is not classified information (I don't think it would be, this material being released would be of no detriment to Health Canada nor to the Federal Government of Canada).

Our Govermnent has a transparency policy, called Access To Information. Essentially, if I file an ATI claim, the government has to respond to my query, and provide copies of all the document I request, all for $5.

I'm sure the US Government would have a similar program...

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Thanks Lacey, I'll definitely look into it...as long as the information is not classified information (I don't think it would be, this material being released would be of no detriment to Health Canada nor to the Federal Government of Canada).

Our Govermnent has a transparency policy, called Access To Information. Essentially, if I file an ATI claim, the government has to respond to my query, and provide copies of all the document I request, all for $5.

I'm sure the US Government would have a similar program...

We have talked to Health Canada and they are definitely interested in the e-cig. But, Canadians are also a bit more open to the realities of life and human behavior and that Tobacco Harm Reduction is a far better route than abstinence. I am so hoping that the FDA takes a page from the Canadian decision, because, as I am an optimist, I see great things coming from the decision in Canada.

This isn't to say that they are going to give it a blanket all go... but they have noted that if the e-cig is marketed as a smoking alternative and not as a cessation product, then that is their "preference". I would expect them to require testing of liquids and I don't forsee them having an issue with the vaporizer itself. Only their final decision will tell.

If you haven't already... stop by Tobaccoharmreduction.org. They are a student project from the University of Alberta. They are all great people and have even featured the forum on their site. Wonderful advocates for us and have a wealth of info on their site.