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Whatevs. His product speaks for him. Don't gotta know his name


( also have a HORRIBLE memory for names)

:)

That's better. You're forgiven. :)

And yes, it does.

BTW, there will be more smallish box mods with Brandon's chipset on the market, including, possibly, MVP3 deluxe edition. There will also be commercial nickel coil heads available, by Kanger and Aspire or possibly innokin--soon. So wait a bit and see what happens. vaping technology is evolving as we speak.
 

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Brandon. The name is Brandon, young man!


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Not until I hear back from Aspire. Now it's personal. Now it's war. I sent them 3 emails and I posted on their forum--my post is still "being reviewed by their moderators." I have a feeling that it's not going to be allowed. Even though I was very nice--promise. :angel:

War I tell you. :evil:




Because that's how it should be done. One is supposed to unscrew the topper for refilling and cleaning of the threads and contacts.

Oh man! We are just too old skool, dahlink. All the kool kids just leave 'em attached to their mods, donchaknow.

Whatevs. His product speaks for him. Don't gotta know his name


( also have a HORRIBLE memory for names)

:)


Welp, best to remember these, Sir. ;)

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Wow, after all these years is right! Katya, you're turning FIVE? I'll be 4 just a week or so before that.

Joint party? (whoops, I mean NOTHING, ECF dearest, NOTHING at all! I promise!) :lol:

We would have to invite Tibs and Fudgey--we always have a party together--we joined ECF a day apart from each other..

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sponse-threads-part-3-a-213.html#post12339351

Five years--I feel old. :facepalm: I only joined ECF because I wanted to ask somebody a question about V4L batteries... Just one question.
 

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You wore a hat back then. :D

Awww........... The memory lane... the PVT... So many of them gone now. :cry:
 
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I'm pretty sure the Innokin iTaste SVD2.0 is a joint Innokin/Evolv venture. Not crazy about the shape though. Can't wait to see what they do with the MVP3. :vapor:

Oh ues, joint venture! That reminds me, there is this video, about the venture, with Brandon and three other guys... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

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Hey. I like Phil. A bit obsessed with "Dimitri Pink" lately, but other than that... :)

And John is way cool, IMO. Brilliant guy.

We all love Phil. And John is brilliant. We're just having a little fun here, my friend Kat-darling and yours truly. Never mind us. :facepalm:
 

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Whatever his name is? :lol: Brandon. The Brandon.


Oh, and can't help in the 40 watt department, but what about 30 watts in an "iStick"?

sorry, kat! but the dna30 has the same footprint as the 40 ;)

We all love Phil. And John is brilliant. We're just having a little fun here, my friend Kat-darling and yours truly. Never mind us. :facepalm:

so what else is new? :D
 

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Oh ues, joint venture! That reminds me, there is this video, about the venture, with Brandon and three other guys... :lol: :lol: :lol:



I saw those videos (the one about the joint-venture of Evolv&Innokin and the PBusardo's visit to Evolv) some time ago. It happens that in the above video capture the centred guy is the CEO of Innokin and the right guy is the engineer behind Evolv. I think his name is John, but some time has passed for me.....

As Busardo said, he's the genius behind the curtains (even if he doesn't like that tag). And in those videos (the Innokin&Evolv joint venture or adventure and the further PBusardo's jobs about Evolv factory and DNA-40) they gave some clues about the next iterations for Evolv and Innokin, namely the DNA40, the new 'reverse battery protections' (XDDD) and the new chipsets for Innokin. One of them seemed really promising, the DNA-25D, a low-budget version of its bigger cousins ready to move a new Innokin product... which has not been the SVD 2.0....

... I bet that new product has to be a fierce competitor of the iStick, some box-mod, probably the next MVP. I hope it'll be on the same size league than iStick (half inch more or less in height...), with 25 true watts at any atomizer resistance and powered by Evolv (but manufactured by Innokin, which means less price tag).... if it has also temperature control I'm fully IN!...:)

BTW, for me, I'm not a native English speaker (or listener), the 'Chinese-accents' are simply a conundrum, both for the Busardo's videos (they can be helped though) and for the Chinese presentations (now they can't....). I wonder if that is a problem for just me or I'm really a good English listener, but it happens that they (Chinese speakers) are, let's just say, 'difficult to follow'.....
 
Absolutely you can!

The Istick display is not "wrong" - just calibrated in mean volts rather than RMS.

RMS is a better way to calibrate a device because it better approximates for an AC waveform what a DC voltage would do.

The Istick will happily maintain a nice, steady power level once you dial in the sweet spot for your setup. The only place you would notice an issue would be if you changed to a coil with a different ohms and expected the VW mode to maintain the same vaping feel. The VW mode should be able to do this on an RMS device - in theory.In practice, you would likely tweak the wattage with a different coil/juice combo anyway, for other reasons.

You just may have to tweak the wattage a bit up or down if you change coils. No big deal.

Best,

Don

I think I need to retract my statement that it is not wrong. It is...

A new issue came to light. The Istick reduces the voltage from the boost circuit by 1 volt from 5.8 to 4.8 at about where the battery shows 2/3 of a charge if a voltage setting of less than or equal to 4.8 volts is selected, apparently as a battery saving measure. The Istick gives no indication that this has happened, since it compensates to maintain a constant voltage to the coil by adjusting to a higher PWM duty cycle to maintain the same mean power to the coil.

However, the user will perceive this as a sudden drop in power when the voltage is reduced. In my case, the drop is about 2.5 watts RMS.

I ran the following graph for just the 2.0 coil setting, with an extra trace showing the change due to the Vmax shift when the battery indicator shows < = 2/3. It shows that the Istick will display a nice-looking continuous wattage and voltage even when the Vmax steps down at 2/3 battery. However, since the actual user experience is governed by the RMS power rather than the mean power, the user will perceive a sudden drop in power when the battery hits 2/3 and lower.

In my case, I use a BVC coil that reads 1.9 ohms, which is pretty close to this graph. I run it at an Istick displayed wattage of 8.0, which is actually about 12 watts RMS. However, when the battery drops to 2/3 or less, the RMS watts drops to 9.6, although the Istick won't show any change on the display at all - watts or volts.

A 2.5 RMS watt drop would likely be quite noticeable. That is just plain wrong on the part of the designers. Is it a deal breaker for the Istick? Not for me, as long as I'm aware of it. However the user will likely feel the difference even though the display will show absolutely no sign of the sudden shift at 2/3 battery..

It also makes the VW mode less useful, as it is supposed to maintain the watts over any variation in coil resistance by adjusting voltage to maintain the watts. It won't.

I still really like the Istick, even with these flaws. It's easy enough to compensate for the perceived power loss with a few clicks once it kicks in.

This would be quite easy to fix in the firmware by just changing the regulation to RMS from mean. Maybe in v2.

Don

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