Eleaf Istick

[r77r7r]

With my 20 watt I sometimes made it a full day, sometimes not. With my 50, it looks like I am going to get close to two full days. I'm wondering if the amount of juice we go through might be a better way to compare. But, of course, that would vary from individual to individual too. The thing I like is that if I leave in the morning with a fully charged battery, I know I don't have to carry a spare with me. Might need to carry nine or eight bottles of juice with me though.

EDIT: What I wonder is, If I charge the 50 every night, no matter what the charge, will I lose battery capacity?

Some makers recommend a full discharge followed by a full recharge monthly, and I might do that accidentally on occasion, but I don't adhere to that.
I've consistently recharged all my batts since I've joined here well short of empty often w/o bad results.

 

[Canno]

Thanks, I appreciate.

 

[Libbydude]

My 20 has been ok. I have to fiddle with the 510 pin everytime I change toppers and the fact that it won't go below 4v irks me. But it works, that's what matters. I get two days at 9 istick watts. Just got my first dripper that I run at 20. I can only assume that will take me to one day or less. I also have noticed that power drops off when the meter says I'm below half charge. So that's when I plug it in.

 

[Canno]

Yeah, I've had the same with my 20. Not too much trouble with the pin but some. The voltage regulation I dealt with by running higher ohms on my toppers. It seems both those issues have been dealt with on the 30 and the 50. The spring loaded pin is the berries.

 

[gerrymi]

But, looking at that MVP 20w. For those people who really don't go beyond 20w, but want the best battery at that price point, isn't the MVP 20w essentially Better than the iStick 30w? The MVP 20w has a 2600mAh battery, and the iStick 30w has a 2200mAh battery. For that price point - 30 to 40 - when a person is looking for the best battery life, wouldn't the MVP 20w win?

For a "price point" of $35...the Heatvape Defender has the size and "hand comfort" of the 30W-iStick...with a 2600mAh battery.

Heatvape Defender - $35.00 : 3Avape, Wholesale & Retail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7muQfIS3USk#t=432

Gee, I'm sorry, irwink, but that hit me very poorly.

In the MVP thread I posted:

Puf...have you actually (literally) held a 30Watt-iStick in your hand???

(Perhaps you have a local B&M where you could try one.)

I agree Innokin is "quality" (and my 3 MVP2's in my vapocalypse drawer were "dependable")...but the size/weight/ergonomics of the 30Watt-iStick...for someone who LOVES to vape...ought to (IMO) be, at least, "experienced" before making any further "Mod decisions".

This is one of the replies I got:

I think your in the wrong thread gerrimi , this is MVP land, no pro iStick talk is allowed here , it's in the . MVP's only , we like loyal people here.

 

[Canno]

I own a Ford and a Chevrolet and I like boffem.

 

[Javamon]

For a "price point" of $35...the Heatvape Defender has the size and "hand comfort" of the 30W-iStick...with a 2600mAh battery.

Heatvape Defender - $35.00 : 3Avape, Wholesale & Retail



In the MVP thread I posted:

Puf...have you actually (literally) held a 30Watt-iStick in your hand???

(Perhaps you have a local B&M where you could try one.)

I agree Innokin is "quality" (and my 3 MVP2's in my vapocalypse drawer were "dependable")...but the size/weight/ergonomics of the 30Watt-iStick...for someone who LOVES to vape...ought to (IMO) be, at least, "experienced" before making any further "Mod decisions".

This is one of the replies I got:

You're right - I forgot about the Defender. That could be the ticket, too. IF it has passthrough. I already scratched the Beyang - aka Beyonce - off my possible future mod list because of the lack of passthrough. Gotta have that or no go.

 

[JeremyR]

Hey Isticks, stopping by... I may be joining the club.

Strongly considering the Istick 50.. Or the sigelie 100/150.. I have to have dual batteries only really need 50w at this time..

I would prefer series(stacked) but since this is my first box form mod I'm worried the sigelie 100/150 is a bit too large.. .. Oh the sigelie 50 is not an option with single battery..

For reference I have been using a zmax v3 with stacked 18350 for the last year. Put out 24 watts and the stacked 18350 even last me 3 times longer than an 18650..

 

[mudram99]

So I got bored, decided to make my own wrap out of some fake suede material left over from upholstering my car doors

Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

Katdarling shamed me so bad about my scratched and greasy 20 that I wrapped it in vinyl carbon fiber.

 

[Canno]

Hey Isticks, stopping by... I may be joining the club.

Strongly considering the Istick 50.. Or the sigelie 100/150.. I have to have dual batteries only really need 50w at this time..

I would prefer series(stacked) but since this is my first box form mod I'm worried the sigelie 100/150 is a bit too large.. .. Oh the sigelie 50 is not an option with single battery..

For reference I have been using a zmax v3 with stacked 18350 for the last year. Put out 24 watts and the stacked 18350 even last me 3 times longer than an 18650..

Come on in brother, kick ya shoes off.

 

[aldenf]

I've started to experience weird thing. When I put my iStick down for half an hour, when I start vaping again it becomes unbearable for the first 10-15 hits.
I guess that would refer to the dry (burn) hit. I just cannot inhale it or else I start choking and it feels like a horror.
It only happens for the first maybe 15 hits. After that the taste comes alive and everything's good. I've checked to see if maybe the coil would be burnt but it doesn't look like it. Besides once burnt I'd be able to taste it with every drag, right?. That's not a case though.

I've replaced the coil with a new one. Primed it properly, had few drags off of it without pushing the button for the air bubbles to come out and all. Still the same.
When I'm vaping away every minute or so it's just fine. When I don't for a while it just tastes horrid.

Does anyone know what's happening? I'm using 1.2ohm coils in Kanger Sub Tank Mini with 0.6mg nicotine and 50/50 juice ratio. Tried one with 60/40 VG/PG and same thing happened.
I experience the same horrible taste regardless of the wattage setting. I can set it for 6 watts and the effect is same as when setup for 15.

This sounds like more of a SubTank issue than iStick. I would try adjusting the airflow. Remember the SubTank, like most tank atomizers, utilizes vacuum liquid feed. The looser the draw; the less vacuum is created; the less liquid is fed and vice versa. The symptoms you describe could be caused by either too much or too little liquid feed. I would vary the airflow until I found the sweet spot. If I was pressed, I would guess that you need to tighten the airflow up a bit to increase the liquid feed. The opposite might be the case, however.

Have you checked the SubTank forum for suggestions?


Good luck!

 

[USMCotaku]

With my 20 watt I sometimes made it a full day, sometimes not. With my 50, it looks like I am going to get close to two full days. I'm wondering if the amount of juice we go through might be a better way to compare. But, of course, that would vary from individual to individual too. The thing I like is that if I leave in the morning with a fully charged battery, I know I don't have to carry a spare with me. Might need to carry nine or eight bottles of juice with me though.

EDIT: What I wonder is, If I charge the 50 every night, no matter what the charge, will I lose battery capacity?

Lithium batteries don't suffer from the "memory" issues that Ni-cad batteries did. It won't harm your battery to charge before its low.....charge regularly, charge often

 

[aldenf]

Hey Isticks, stopping by... I may be joining the club.

Strongly considering the Istick 50.. Or the sigelie 100/150.. I have to have dual batteries only really need 50w at this time..

I would prefer series(stacked) but since this is my first box form mod I'm worried the sigelie 100/150 is a bit too large.. .. Oh the sigelie 50 is not an option with single battery..

For reference I have been using a zmax v3 with stacked 18350 for the last year. Put out 24 watts and the stacked 18350 even last me 3 times longer than an 18650..

Hey Jeremy. Welcome! First, thanks for ALL of your work on the Rayon thread! It has, perhaps, had the most effect on my vaping experience.

I, like you, was using two VAMOs in series configuration before purchasing my first iStick 20W. Battery life with stacked 18350s is definitely better than a single 18650 and provides up to 30ish watts at the coil. Not until I made my VAMO box mod with a 1600mAh, 7.4V Li-Po did I find an all-day-device however. And the box-mod is on the large side.

The things that make the iStick so brilliant are tiny size, ergonomics and battery life. The 30W & 50W are far superior to the 20W in both electronics and 510 connection. Most here are experiencing at least full-day battery life from both the 20 & 30W (up to approximately 6ml of juice). Experiences on the 50W are just starting to roll in. Many are reporting 2+ days on a charge. The chipsets on both the 30W & 50W have a flat DC output at 4v and above. Below 4V, PWM is used for regulation. Below 3V, things get kinda wonky. I wouldn't bother.

As for the series/parallel discussion... At up to 50W, we simply don't need the amperage from dual batts, either in series or parallel. The varying technologies, between buck, boost or PWM (or a combination thereof), are simply different ways to skin a cat. Theoretically, we can discuss the differing efficiencies amongst the choices. However, until we get to the $60+ chipsets (DNAs, SX-350s), the quality of the individual components in a chipset (ICs, CAPs, etc) have far more impact on efficiencies. The VAMO & ZMAX chipisets are more efficient at 7.4V than 3.7. With regulated devices, it's simply watts-in-watts-out. Ignoring chipset efficiencies, battery life is completely dependent on the Watt-hour (Wh) capacity of the setup. Two 3.7V 2200mAh batteries, in either series or parallel, produce/contain the same Watt-hours: 16.28Wh.

Then there is the entire Li-Po vs. Li-Ion discussion; which I'll leave for another day...

I would base a choice between the Sigelei(s) and the iStick 50W entirely on form-factor, internal/swappable battery wants/needs, and expectations of power output. I'll leave the rest up to the engineers. The other choice that is becoming available is YiHi's SX-350 Mini chipset and similiar, that run up to 60W on 3.7V and 120W on 7.4V with temperature control on the way. This may be the ultimate choice. But the YiHi chipsets aren't cheap.


Good luck!

 

[Canno]

Lithium batteries don't suffer from the "memory" issues that Ni-cad batteries did. It won't harm your battery to charge before its low.....charge regularly, charge often

Lmao....Thanks, I had to google to see if Li-Po was lithium. I am glad to have the info. Now I'll just charge each night and won't have to worry if I can make it through the second day.

 

[Canno]

I have the 60 watt SX-350 and it is a great mod but the Istick 50 sure feels better in the hand.

I'll try to shut up for a while.

 

[stulda]

This sounds like more of a SubTank issue than iStick. I would try adjusting the airflow. Remember the SubTank, like most tank atomizers, utilizes vacuum liquid feed. The looser the draw; the less vacuum is created; the less liquid is fed and vice versa. The symptoms you describe could be caused by either too much or too little liquid feed. I would vary the airflow until I found the sweet spot. If I was pressed, I would guess that you need to tighten the airflow up a bit to increase the liquid feed. The opposite might be the case, however.

Have you checked the SubTank forum for suggestions?


Good luck!

You might be right aldenf,
I'm going to check the Sub tank forum. I've been vaping with the airflow fully open. I'll try to close it a little to see if it helps. Would you recommend to have few prior drags without pushing a button each time after you haven't used the device for a while? First I thought that when I'm not using my iStick for a while it gets too much juice inside, but then again it wouldn't taste that horrible, would it? When I removed the coil I couldn't see any gunk and the cotton looked just like the way it should be so that eliminate it being burnt.

 

[JeremyR]

Hey Jeremy. Welcome! First, thanks for ALL of your work on the Rayon thread! It has, perhaps, had the most effect on my vaping experience.

I, like you, was using two VAMOs in series configuration before purchasing my first iStick 20W. Battery life with stacked 18350s is definitely better than a single 18650 and provides up to 30ish watts at the coil. Not until I made my VAMO box mod with a 1600mAh, 7.4V Li-Po did I find an all-day-device however. And the box-mod is on the large side.

The things that make the iStick so brilliant are tiny size, ergonomics and battery life. The 30W & 50W are far superior to the 20W in both electronics and 510 connection. Most here are experiencing at least full-day battery life from both the 20 & 30W (up to approximately 6ml of juice). Experiences on the 50W are just starting to roll in. Many are reporting 2+ days on a charge. The chipsets on both the 30W & 50W have a flat DC output at 4v and above. Below 4V, PWM is used for regulation. Below 3V, things get kinda wonky. I wouldn't bother.

As for the series/parallel discussion... At up to 50W, we simply don't need the amperage from dual batts, either in series or parallel. The varying technologies, between buck, boost or PWM (or a combination thereof), are simply different ways to skin a cat. Theoretically, we can discuss the differing efficiencies amongst the choices. However, until we get to the $60+ chipsets (DNAs, SX-350s), the quality of the individual components in a chipset (ICs, CAPs, etc) have far more impact on efficiencies. The VAMO & ZMAX chipisets are more efficient at 7.4V than 3.7. With regulated devices, it's simply watts-in-watts-out. Ignoring chipset efficiencies, battery life is completely dependent on the Watt-hour (Wh) capacity of the setup. Two 3.7V 2200mAh batteries, in either series or parallel, produce/contain the same Watt-hours: 16.28Wh.

Good luck!

Hey thanks!

Yeah I've decided that, based on the the oscopes I've seen on the i50, the chip is much different than the old 15w chips. That suffered efficency issues at higher power. It obviously doesnt have trouble pumping out major power with dual 18650s parallel and a 4v input.

i50 oscope tests vrs others. -
http://m.imgur.com/a/OPSur

I was getting a day (6ml) out of new 18350s maxed out at 24+w. So with the i50 I should get two days at 25-30w. This will be great because battery life is very important to me.

Also the i50 is better suited for the high voltage vaping that I've been doing. I'm a little shocked that i50 can put out 9v on oscope.. I keep wondering what the catch is.. Probably that the output will fade with the batteries.. I hope not.. But the tests are always done with a fully charged battery which doesn't reflect on a day of vaping it.. The tests i am more concerned with are how is the output with a half depleted battery? Stacked batteries and bucking down from 8v prevented this fade issue with the old 15w chips..

I guess I'll find out soon because the s150 is too big for me and I don't subohm or need that much power..

The size of the i50 blows me away, they've done an excellent job of engineering it to be no bigger than it needs to be. And the price is out of this world.. Not mention I won't have to buy more 18650s.

Thanks for the discussion.

 

[capthook]

...EDIT: What I wonder is, If I charge the 50 every night, no matter what the charge, will I lose battery capacity?

The deeper the discharge, the greater the wear.
Therefore, frequent recharging will prolong battery capacity over it's lifetime.
Avoiding heat will too - ie. not chain-vaping while on pass-through.

How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University
Explaining the Do's and Don'ts of Battery Charging - Battery University

Summary:

A partial discharge reduces stress and prolongs battery life.
Elevated temperature and high currents also affect cycle life.
Partial and random charge is fine; does not need full charge;
lower voltage limit preferred; keep battery cool.
Keep cool, battery lasts longest when operating in mid state-of-charge of 20–80%.
Prevent ultra-fast charging and high loads.

 

[aldenf]

You might be right aldenf,
I'm going to check the Sub tank forum. I've been vaping with the airflow fully open. I'll try to close it a little to see if it helps. Would you recommend to have few prior drags without pushing a button each time after you haven't used the device for a while? First I thought that when I'm not using my iStick for a while it gets too much juice inside, but then again it wouldn't taste that horrible, would it? When I removed the coil I couldn't see any gunk and the cotton looked just like the way it should be so that eliminate it being burnt.

That's the thing. After sitting a while, the head should be fully saturated and not need primer puffs, unless the tank is vapor-locking and liquid is not flowing. In which case, crack the tank open and let the pressure equalize.

An over-saturated wick can give a super-saturated vape, increasing the intensity of flavor and nic content. If you are sensitive to PG or nic, this could also be the issue.

I wish vaping weren't so complicated...

 

[Shadav]

Thanks for the link. I got one and they said it does indeed come with the scratch off authenticity


"1 ea. NEW Eleaf Istick 30W Full Kit

Color - Silver

$38.00
$0.00
Free Shipping Offer (Free First Class on all orders $14 - $69. Orders that include a Starter Kit or over $70 ship free Priority Mail):

$38.00
Sub-Total:

-$5.70
Discount Coupon: forum :

$32.30
Total:"

I got mine in but there wasn't any scratch off authenticity in it.....