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Nice Looking mod. Did you design the Enclosure from Scratch? Or is that Something that can be Purchased?

Made it from scratch using laser cut sections in profile, like crude 3d printing - it's my own design but I've seen very similar designs since.

If the actual production mod ever gets made then they will be genuine Carbon Fibre and epoxy.

BTW - What type of Ohms and Watts is your Average set-up?
normally around 1.5 ohm and about 12 watts - I'm old school.
 
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Made it from scratch using laser cut sections in profile, like crude 3d printing - it's my own design but I've seen very similar designs since.

If the actual production mod ever gets made then they will be genuine Carbon Fibre and epoxy.
Wish you luck that's a nice piece with a great chip
 

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Amazing! That looks so purdy DB, I'd love to have one when you are ready. What's the dimensions btw?

Ps.: Mind if I share the pics on my FB page? Albeit with due recognition to you.
 

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No idea what "bucking capability" is but I do know that each thing they add would increase a) the cost and b) possibly the size (if they'd need bigger chips, etc.)

As it is now, the iStick can jump through more hoops than I am interested in. If the price went to $70 so it could include sub-oHm, bucking capability and whatnot, I and a lot of people who just want something small and lightweight with great battery life wouldn't buy it.

But, if this design has any legs (and I think it will), similar, more expensive, sticks that can do everything except change the wick on your tank for you, will no doubt hit the proverbial shelves soon.

Hey, Poeia. The only obvious mods on the market that have true electrical bucking capability are the OKR-T/RAPTOR types. They actually reduce the battery's voltage. The rest of the mods that are able to apparently reduce voltage below that of the battery's native charge utilize pulse-width-modulation or "PWM".

TECHIE WARNING! May be boring to some...

When bucking, excess voltage is converted into heat at the chipset. PWM is much more electrically efficient than true bucking. These PWM-type mods include Innokin's products, Provaris, VAMOS, twists/spinners, etc. PWM devices boost the battery's voltage (usually to the maximum voltage offered by the device, but sometimes higher) and pulse that voltage several times per second (33x per sec, on up) to imitate true bucking capability. This is what the iStick does. Some devices; like the Provari, iTaste vv3 & MVP; use further circuitry to make the output smooth (non-pulsed) like true DC current. The real discussion here is what "formula" the circuitry uses for it's PWM output, voltage average (Vavg) or voltage root-mean-square (Vrms). While mathematically accurate, Vavg creates much more heat at the coil than constant DC voltage. Vrms, on the other hand, better approximates the heat creation of constant DC voltage. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, it's simply a matter of software or how the chipset was programmed.

We won't know for certain until someone like Mr. Busardo does a full test. But it APPEARS that the iStick is using the Vavg formula. This would explain why some users are experiencing a much hotter vape (sometimes to point of dry-hitting or burning), especially at lower voltages/watts. If this proves to be true, the Eleaf engineers missed the boat and chose wrongly. It was shown two years ago that Vrms is FAR superior than Vavg for our purpose. To me, this makes the iStick a complete failure from an engineering standpoint; sad for such a, otherwise, stellar device. It would have cost no more time or money to utilize Vrms instead of Vavg.

Does this mean it is not the PERFECT device for many people? Not at all. Some will enjoy the iStick immensely and defend it to their graves. This will not negate the fact that it is still an engineering failure. So close but yet so far. Buyer beware... The good news? Eleaf could choose to utilize Vrms for future runs, at little or no additional cost (to them or us), and silence the techno-snobs like myself. Anyone up for an iStick v1.5? I'll take at least two!

This is simply my opinion. I could be wrong.

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Made it from scratch using laser cut sections in profile, like crude 3d printing - it's my own design but I've seen very similar designs since.

If the actual production mod ever gets made then they will be genuine Carbon Fibre and epoxy.


normally around 1.5 ohm and about 12 watts - I'm old school.

Cool. I have Written a LOT of CNC Laser Code. Laser cutting can be Extremely Accurate. Just depends on the Laser/Machine Tool and how well the Operator can do Beam Alignment and Focus.

I'm thinking of Doing a Custom Build which incorporates a SX350. Maybe Machine the Enclosure out of some Rem 6AL4V that I have. Just can't seem to find the Time to Finalize the CAD.


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If your Average set-up is 1.5 Ohms @ 12 Watts, Run, Don't Walk and get yourself an iStick.
 

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Well honestly, I've never been real impressed with the Evolv DNA chips, its inability to reduce voltage is huge in my opinion, the RDNA is very well made, and I don't dislike it, just like the feel of this Istick, don't care for the location of the display on the RDNA either. performance wise it eats Batteries fairly quickly, I charge it at least once a day, twice if I use it exclusively. I do like the sharskin, it really offers great protection. The price tag is where the hammer falls hard. If its performance I want I'll grab my $80 SX-350 in the FT Hana clone box. Blows the Evolv chip/RDNA away in every way.

Hey, ccwaters. How does the sx-350's screen fit in the FT Hana clone box? Does it look clean? Extra milling/cutting involved? Difficulties mounting the chipset?

Thanks!

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I made a very similar SX350 mod a few months back, actually in talks with a vendor about doing a fairly large run depending on cases,etc.


They wont be $40 though, that's for sure!

Hey, Dirk. That's a spiffy looking sx-350 device. Is that an easily accessible box you've used or something custom?

Thanks!

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Never mind, Dirk. Others beat me to the question. Thanks for the answer...
 
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Hey, Dirk. That's a spiffy looking sx-350 device. Is that an easily accessible box you've used or something custom?

Thanks!

~Alden

Never mind, Dirk. Others beat me to the question. Thanks for the answer...

I think he Said it was made from Scratch.

Check Out Post #1322.

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Never Mind: You saw his Post as I Posted Mine. LOL
 

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I was thinking about getting some more of these, but have decided to wait to see another version, if there is to be one. Don't know how long I will have to wait tho. :(

If the e-Cigarette Market is anything like the Computer Market, then the Rev"2" version is currently in Production.

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If the e-Cigarette Market is anything like the Computer Market, then the Rev"2" version is currently in Production.
I dunno... it seems the more popular mods lag quite a bit before coming out with a newer version (Provari, MVP).

TECHIE WARNING! May be boring to some...
Not boring at all.

I should add that I do hear that rattlesnake sound at 3.0v. Haven't heard that since my ZMAX days.
 
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If your Average set-up is 1.5 Ohms @ 12 Watts, Run, Don't Walk and get yourself an iStick.

I hear that, zoiDman.

I run 1.4-1.5 ohm builds in my Kayfuns and 1.7-1.8 (rayon/microcoils) in my Protanks. If it were completely up to me, I'd be running my devices at 11-15 watts all the time! Depending on where I'm vaping, however, I'm often down to 8w (3.3-3.8v depending on device/build). Still get really good flavor. But vapor output is greatly reduced. I'm often trying to vape under the radar or trying not to annoy others with voluminous clouds. 2 ohm builds would be possible with the Protanks, yet less than ideal. IME, many clearos, including the Protank series, excel in the 1.7-1.8 range. As for my Kayfuns... I will only build with twisted wire (twisted 30g currently), as I get the best flavor off the build. A 2 ohm, twisted wire coil would never fit on a Kayfun.

I'll probably end up getting an iStick for use around the house, which, unfortunately, negates it's perfect "out & about" form factor. I simply don't think it's too much to ask these manufacturers to use their heads in building decent vape gear. Eleaf obviously did not beta these with real vapers or reviewers prior to release. Aspire, Innokin, Kanger, Provape, Evolv, etc all beta test prior to release. Does no one at Eleaf actually vape? I'd happily pay an additional $5 for a beta-tested final product. I'm not looking for perfection. But I don't settle for mediocrity in the rest of my life. I refuse to settle in vaping; especially when the mediocrity appears to stem from pure stupidity or lack of common sense. I'm hoping that iSmoka pressures Eleaf to revise. It's their reputation too.

I'll stop now. I'm beginning to sound like my father. I swore I'd never get .....y or crotchety. Hell, I'm only 45...


Peace,

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I should add that I do hear that rattlesnake sound at 3.0v. Haven't heard that since my ZMAX days.

I believe I saw, earlier in the thread, that it was determined to output PWM at 48 hz, or something like that. My VTR fires at 47 hz. I can hear the rattlesnaking below 3.3v. That was another gripe of mine. Innokin managed to put circuitry in the iTaste vv3 & MVP to smooth the voltage output. But they failed to do so on the higher end VTR. It makes no sense. But I can guarantee the decision was made by a bean-counter.
 

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... I simply don't think it's too much to ask these manufacturers to use their heads in building decent vape gear. Eleaf obviously did not beta these with real vapers or reviewers prior to release. Aspire, Innokin, Kanger, Provape, Evolv, etc all beta test prior to release. Does no one at Eleaf actually vape? ...

Everything is a Trade Off.

A 1W ~ 200W, Constant Voltage APV with an Adjustable 510 Pin that has 5,000mAh would work for 99.99% of the Vapers in the World.

But can you make it for 17 or 18 Bucks? And would it be the Size of the eLeaf iStick?

Price and Size appear to be the Primary Design Criteria's for the eLeaf iStick. And for what they Packed into the Size at the Cost that they are Wholesaled it for, I think they did a Very Good Job.
 
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