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aikanae1

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Such decisions that compromise the final product are usually stupid mistakes or made by bean-counters. Look at the history of American manufacturing.

If a manufacturer can save $.25 each on a $10 product (0.025%), which is probably the cost of the istick from the manufacturer to the distributor/wholesaler; and they produce 3 million units; eleaf just kept $750,000 in their pockets...

I believe the istick is using a proprietary chipset. But I may be wrong.

Buyers looking at a sub $50 device aren't going to have the same standards as someone looking at a $100+ device. I think if you look at $100 options, you'll find everything you seem to be expecting. Wholesale is usually about half of retail and for this, the value is excellent. Keep in mind that a number of people are replacing VV Spinners with the iStick. For many this is an entry level device that also happens to satisfy advanced vapers. That's a tough cross-over to achieve.
 
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:laugh: I deleted the singles when I made the one pic :?: guess I'll know better next time :laugh: I thoughts it was big nuff :oops:

Now really?! Is there such a thang?:facepalm:

LOL, I shock myself sometimes. I'll get back on track, I promise....smacks self....get control.....behave!
 
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Now really?! Is there such a thang?:facepalm:
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What surprises me most about the iStick's still-unconfirmed but presumed and likely PWM implementation (i.e., using Vavg rather than Vrms for calibration and display) is that the engineers who chose the production specs---whether those engineers were at eLeaf or from a wholesale Chinese hardware manufacturer contracted by eLeaf---would make what many users in the sophisticated segment of the vaping community regard as an obvious mistake or even an egregious misjudgment.

The PWM calibration brouhaha back in 2012 was a big deal here on ECF. Chinese manufacturers of variable voltage APVs who used Vavg received considerable negative feedback from the marketplace and were relatively quick to alter their products. For instance, Smoktech's mid-2012 VMax VV and subsequent upgrade/replacement ZMax v1 VV/VW used Vavg calibration (or mis-calibration, to be more accurate). By the end of 2012, however, makers of the ZMax v2 and newly-released VAMO v1 had amended the programming of their chips to include an extra menu item that allowed users to select either Vavg or Vrms for calibration. By late 2013, most VV/VWs that used PWM had eliminated Vavg calibration altogether.

So, my question for eLeaf becomes: Why did you choose to step backwards two years? What made your development team decide that Vavg was the appropriate calibration for the iStick? Further, at the very least, why didn't you give the end user the choice to select either Vavg or Vrms? I'm presuming, of course, that eLeaf had a reason other than incompetence or being out of touch with the technology and the marketplace.

Anyway, now that I own an iStick and have used it for three days, mostly happily, it strikes me as an odd combination of current chip capabilities (higher wattage) with antiquated programming (unsmoothed PWM with Vavg calibration that makes lower wattages inaccurate in terms of real-world vaping), especially so since the size, build quality, and ergonomics are so well-designed and implemented. Compared to the new 35-watt VAMO or other more expensive high-wattage boxes, I'd much rather use the diminutive iStick, but this Vavg calibration thing leaves me scratching my head.

Please understand: I don't feel deceived or ripped off. I won't return my iStick and will continue using it, since I'm not a primarily low-wattage vaper. It's a cool little unit that gives me most of what I wanted, but I won't buy another until this issue is resolved or at least addressed by eLeaf.
 

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Just for info's sake, since I had asked earlier, as well as a couple others, what to charge these with, this morning I charged my istick that had approx. 25% left on the battery with my 1a Samsung phone charger. It took 2 hours and 10 min. and the charger, and istick, was warm during the charge.
 

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Just for info's sake, since I had asked earlier, as well as a couple others, what to charge these with, this morning I charged my istick that had approx. 25% left on the battery with my 1a Samsung phone charger. It took 2 hours and 10 min. and the charger, and istick, was warm during the charge.
Mine came with the cable and I use a wall wart to plug it into :?:
 

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That's gorgeous! Would you do one for me? [emoji6]

Seriously, really nice work. You're an artist.

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I'd be afraid I'd mess it up doing some one elses :laugh: Can't correct mistakes on that too easy. I'd have to say no cuz I can't afford to replace anyones iStick :unsure: Thank you though ♥
 

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So, my question for eLeaf becomes: Why did you choose to step backwards two years? What made your development team decide that Vavg was the appropriate calibration for the iStick? Further, at the very least, why didn't you give the end user the choice to select either Vavg or Vrms? I'm presuming, of course, that eLeaf had a reason other than incompetence or being out of touch with the technology and the marketplace.
Even if Vavg doesn't effect the vast majority of users, I too do not understand why Eleaf would knowingly chose to give people (like me :D) the opportunity to find something wrong with an otherwise insane performance value in such a small package. All it takes is somebody with credence in the vaping community (not me) to bog down on this quirk and spend too much time on it when it doesn't really effect most of the masses. Bursardo tends to do this but he's often unpredictable about the overall verdict. And I doubt any other credible reviewer will even notice this. So far, none have.
 

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Ok- I've read most of this thread, and I'm SOLD.

I just called every vape shop in the LA area....which no luck :( I need instant gratification.

Is Avid Vapor the best place to order these now, or does anyone have a suggestion as to where online will get this into my hand the fastest? Suggestions greatly appreciated.
 

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Beautiful artwork AG! :thumb:
I enlarged it quite a bit more which reduces resolution somewhat, but it helps everyone see some detail.

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By the way, I have a question about the Istick that I don't believe has been asked in this thread. For those that own it, does the power to the coil fade after releasing the fire button or does it stop immediately? In other words, do you hear the juice cooking for about 0.5 - 1 second after releasing the button?

I ask because the voltage to the coil on my Sigelei Legend seems to fade for approx. 0.75 second after releasing the button. I believe many mods do that but I also don't think many users notice it, or don't mind it if they do. I don't like that behavior at all and none of my other devices do it. I have a reservation for an Istick on a shipment in the next few days at my local B&M and I swore I'd never buy another regulated device that does that.
 
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