Eleaf Istick

[Peter_C]

By the way, I have a question about the istick that I don't believe has been asked in this thread. For those that own it, does the power to the coil fade after releasing the fire button or does it stop immediately? In other words, do you hear the juice cooking for about 0.5 - 1 second after releasing the button?

I ask because the voltage to the coil on my sigelei Legend seems to fade for approx. 0.75 second after releasing the button. I believe many mods do that but I also don't think many users notice it, or don't mind it if they do. I don't like that behavior at all and none of my other devices do it. I have a reservation for an Istick on a shipment in the next few days at my local B&M and I swore I'd never buy another regulated device that does that.

I do not have mine yet, but on my ProVari 2.5 with a 1.8 BVC coil firing at 4.0v it does that exact thing. Dropping it down to 3.0v it still does it but not for as long? Could it just be the sound of the coil cooling off, rather than the device still firing?

 

[oplholik]

I think it is just the coils cooling down in some cases. The RDA's on my Reos will sizzle a bit after letting off the firing button.

 

[Buster282]

I quit reading the last 2 pages because I'm somewhat irritated by what's being said. First off you can't measure a digital output with an old analog meter - just won't work! Second, a lot of folks are kinda trashing the iStick saying that it is using a Vavg calculation to determine it's output when we don't even know what method it is using. At least I haven't seen any reviews stating that by a respected reviewer with the appropriate equipment. I think some folks are jumpin the gun quite a bit.

 

[Silver5656]

Ok- I've read most of this thread, and I'm SOLD.

I just called every vape shop in the LA area....which no luck I need instant gratification.

Is Avid Vapor the best place to order these now, or does anyone have a suggestion as to where online will get this into my hand the fastest? Suggestions greatly appreciated.

LOL I also called pretty much every vape shop in LA, and nobody had it, and honestly I dont think anybody has heard of it. I also like instant gratification. Where in LA are you? and PLEASE let me know if you find it. I think I might start an ebay account and get it there (although i hate ebay)

 

[MORTIS e]

I guess that an unfiltered output makes easier to behave in that way.... Others cannot do that just because the filtering chain after the conversor has to drain off, and that's some time, short, but noticeable, going from full draw to zero. And high-end devices have extra bits to enforce the quick-draw-to-zero thing...

That all makes good sense. Oddly enough however, using the same tank/coil and same juice on my Evod VV 1600 mah and Aspire CF 1300 mah both stop the cook immediately, as well as my smaller, cheaper batts.

When I release the Power Button, the Hit Ends.

There is No Noticeable "Fade" of Power.

Based on comments, it seems the Istick does not lag or fade the cook after release. Thanks.

Beautiful work!!!

My Smok gbc shuts off instantly. But the iclear x.i sizzles for a little after I let off the button. To test it, I unscrewed the tank until it was just making a connection, and ended the vape by twisting the tank to break the connection. It's hard to tell, but I think it sizzles just as much. It does take a half second or so to start sizzling. I think just like an electric stove takes time to heat up and cool, so does the coil.

That's actually a very good way to test whether its the behavior of the coil or the mod power-delivery. Thanks for doing that.

I do not have mine yet, but on my ProVari 2.5 with a 1.8 BVC coil firing at 4.0v it does that exact thing. Dropping it down to 3.0v it still does it but not for as long? Could it just be the sound of the coil cooling off, rather than the device still firing?

Hmm, I would not have expected a Provari to lag/fade after release. When I say "immediate", I don't mean as fast as a small light bulb but close. Yeah I also use the 1.8 BVC and the lag/fade only happens on my Sigelei.

I think it is just the coils cooling down in some cases. The RDA's on my Reos will sizzle a bit after letting off the firing button.

I realize there has to be at least a split second of cool-down of the coil but even when I fire 4.4 volts on my Aspire CF, the sizzle stop immediately, and with only 4 volt on the Sigelei it noticeably fades the sizzle, so I'm pretty sure the power delivery is fading rather than just the cool-down period.

 

[ccwaters]

Hey, ccwaters. How does the sx-350's screen fit in the FT Hana clone box? Does it look clean? Extra milling/cutting involved? Difficulties mounting the chipset?

Thanks!

~Alden

The chip fits perfectly in it with no added cutting, the screen is the only issue, I used a round file to cut most of it, it is not perfect, but I'm not that worried about looks. I could have done a better job, but wanted to get it done, and start using it. Don't have any good pics of it atm, but here is one I posted some time back to show an Expromizer on it.

 

[oplholik]

LOL I also called pretty much every vape shop in LA, and nobody had it, and honestly I dont think anybody has heard of it. I also like instant gratification. Where in LA are you? and PLEASE let me know if you find it. I think I might start an ebay account and get it there (although i hate ebay)

I got mine here, no problems, fast shipping.

Istick by Eleaf Pre Order SHIP from USA | eBay

 

[drysprocket]

I got mine here, no problems, fast shipping.

Istick by Eleaf Pre Order SHIP from USA | eBay

Says: Delivery:
Estimated between Fri. Oct. 24 and Sat. Nov. 1 :/

 

[drysprocket]

LOL I also called pretty much every vape shop in LA, and nobody had it, and honestly I dont think anybody has heard of it. I also like instant gratification. Where in LA are you? and PLEASE let me know if you find it. I think I might start an ebay account and get it there (although i hate ebay)

Too funny, ya these shops had no clue. I'm in Los Feliz, you? Yeah I ended up just getting it from Avid Vaper, since they have it in stock (black and silver only) It's $40, but it's the full package one. A lot of these ebay ones are just the unit, without the charger and adapter. I'll let you know if it does actually ship tomorrow, so maybe you can pull the trigger with them.

 

[zoiDman]

I got mine here, no problems, fast shipping.

Istick by Eleaf Pre Order SHIP from USA | eBay

Just a Note on that Auction. The Seller has Added this to The Description...

We are sold out and now taking Pre-Orders if you don't mind waiting, China is having National Holiday from Oct. 1-7 and nothing will move in or out from China. We will ship all order on the OCT - 11th or sooner.

BTW - that is where I got my 1st and 2nd iStick. Great Seller. Fast Ship and Good Packaging.

BTW2 - When I bought my First one, the Seller had 7 Feedback Points. And I was the 11th person to buy one.

 

[aldenf]

Buyers looking at a sub $50 device aren't going to have the same standards as someone looking at a $100+ device. I think if you look at $100 options, you'll find everything you seem to be expecting. Wholesale is usually about half of retail and for this, the value is excellent. Keep in mind that a number of people are replacing VV Spinners with the iStick. For many this is an entry level device that also happens to satisfy advanced vapers. That's a tough cross-over to achieve.

I completely agree with you, in theory. Vaping has come a long way in a very short period of time, however. As I've mentioned before, The VAMO has been accurately providing 3-6v @ 5 amps for over two years now (maybe 3?). The VAMO v5 is currently less than $25 on sale. What the iStick brings is an awsome form factor! The internal battery is actually a minor con, IMHO. I'd prefer to pay $25 for an iStick and throw my own 2900 mAh 18650 in it.

I don't think it's too much to expect Eleaf to get the programming of their chipset correct. What these manufacturers are doing is not rocket science. This technology is far from new. It is simply being re-purposed for our use and should not cost a great deal of money. These companies are preying on the struggles that vapers have toiled through over the past four or five years. There is no reason why a 3 to 6 volt, 3 to 30 watt, 5 amp device, with the iStick's form factor is not readily available for well under $50, shipping included. What we do and should pay more for is the increased craftsmanship and build quality of a device. In many ways a VAMO v5 outperforms a Provari v2.5, yet costs less than 17% of a Provari. Anyone who's ever held and vaped a Provari understands why. Craftsmanship and build quality require better materials and skilled labor. The Provari is worth every cent Provape charges for it. It's a Mercedes Benz. I don't need or want a Benz. I am perfectly happy with a reasonable performing Hyundai, ie. iStick. The iStick is a Hyundai from 1988, however, before they got their act together in North America.

The current iStick is probably great for many vapers as it is. My point, simply, is that, as a united whole, we should start demanding that manufacturers get their act together and start offering reasonable products at reasonable prices. It really isn't too much to ask or expect. As long as we settle for mediocrity, that's all we're going to get unless we pay through the nose. This is an easy, cheap problem to fix, that Eleaf should never have allowed to happen in the first place. They should simply fix it. I realize that business ethics, responsibility, customer service and pride in product ain't what they used to be. But can't one hope?

This is just my opinion. I could be wrong.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

I quit reading the last 2 pages because I'm somewhat irritated by what's being said. First off you can't measure a digital output with an old analog meter - just won't work! Second, a lot of folks are kinda trashing the iStick saying that it is using a Vavg calculation to determine it's output when we don't even know what method it is using. At least I haven't seen any reviews stating that by a respected reviewer with the appropriate equipment. I think some folks are jumpin the gun quite a bit.

Very true on many counts - most notably, the fact nobody has corroborated the Vavg and the iStick. But I can say with full confidence that given the same resistance levels, the iStick does not vape like an MVP2, VV3 nor a Provari at low voltage. That being said, those that never "go there" will ever notice. Me? I'm ok with an RBA because I can control that. But those beginners who are low wattage vapers using replaceable coils are at the mercy of what resistance levels are available.

Us low wattage vapers... we're a troublesome and cantankerous bunch ain't we?

 

[zoiDman]

...

Us low wattage vapers... we're a troublesome and cantankerous bunch ain't we?

I Blame it on Low Wattage Vapers (LWV) being Troublesome and Cantankerous (TAC) from getting Sub-Nicotine Levels (SNL) as compared to Normal Wattage Vapers (NWV).

LWV + SNL = TAC

 

[zoiDman]

I completely agree with you, in theory. Vaping has come a long way in a very short period of time, however. As I've mentioned before, The VAMO has been accurately providing 3-6v @ 5 amps for over two years now (maybe 3?). The VAMO v5 is currently less than $25 on sale. What the iStick brings is an awsome form factor! The internal battery is actually a minor con, IMHO. I'd prefer to pay $25 for an iStick and throw my own 2900 mAh 18650 in it.

I don't think it's too much to expect Eleaf to get the programming of their chipset correct. What these manufacturers are doing is not rocket science. This technology is far from new. It is simply being re-purposed for our use and should not cost a great deal of money. These companies are preying on the struggles that vapers have toiled through over the past four or five years. There is no reason why a 3 to 6 volt, 3 to 30 watt, 5 amp device, with the iStick's form factor is not readily available for well under $50, shipping included. What we do and should pay more for is the increased craftsmanship and build quality of a device. In many ways a VAMO v5 outperforms a Provari v2.5, yet costs less than 17% of a Provari. Anyone who's ever held and vaped a Provari understands why. Craftsmanship and build quality require better materials and skilled labor. The Provari is worth every cent Provape charges for it. It's a Mercedes Benz. I don't need or want a Benz. I am perfectly happy with a reasonable performing Hyundai, ie. iStick. The iStick is a Hyundai from 1988, however, before they got their act together in North America.

The current iStick is probably great for many vapers as it is. My point, simply, is that, as a united whole, we should start demanding that manufacturers get their act together and start offering reasonable products at reasonable prices. It really isn't too much to ask or expect. As long as we settle for mediocrity, that's all we're going to get unless we pay through the nose. This is an easy, cheap problem to fix, that Eleaf should never have allowed to happen in the first place. They should simply fix it. I realize that business ethics, responsibility, customer service and pride in product ain't what they used to be. But can't one hope?

This is just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Since this is a Big Thread. Refresh My Memory.

Do you Own an iStick?

 

[Katya]

I Blame it on Low Wattage Vapers (LWV) being Troublesome and Cantankerous (TAC) from getting Sub-Nicotine Levels (SNL) as compared to Normal Wattage Vapers (NWV).

LWV + SNL = TAC

 

[zoiDman]

The One on the Right is Definitely a LWV.

 

[scaredmice]

Exactly right. This formula gets you (roughly) to 8 watts. But for people who prefer lower wattages, like 6-7.5W with a single coil, it's not much help. Not much help for those who prefer higher wattages, either, come to think of it.

It's so much easier to just plug in the numbers and get the exact reading you want. Just my opinion.

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

BTW, I can't see your charts, but I have done the math before.

Yes, you're right.

When first VV's appeared, this kind of rules of thumb were handy.... nothing more would as easily apply....

And even then 8W was a bit higher than desirable for some atomizers.

Once we've got to RDA's and other more complicated stuff, 8W seems a bit of a joke... So now it doesn't apply anymore. And VW was invented for some reasons....

But in its days, the rule worked, and that was because the math and what can be seen on the graphs, which BTW I linked from de original Spanish forum:
iTaste MVP v2 - Página 17

It's publicly accesible, but in Spanish, so let's get the relevant bits, for those who cannot access the graphics in my former post:

 

[aldenf]

I quit reading the last 2 pages because I'm somewhat irritated by what's being said. First off you can't measure a digital output with an old analog meter - just won't work! Second, a lot of folks are kinda trashing the iStick saying that it is using a Vavg calculation to determine it's output when we don't even know what method it is using. At least I haven't seen any reviews stating that by a respected reviewer with the appropriate equipment. I think some folks are jumpin the gun quite a bit.

I agree, Buster. That's why my posts have contained caveats regarding waiting to form a final opinion until such a review is performed. In the world of technology, however, I generally conclude that if it looks, talks and walks like a duck... I may end up eating my written words. To be honest, it wouldn't be the first time. But I can't think of another reason so many low wattage vapers would be experiencing what they are, unless their devices are faulty. In which case, Eleaf would have a catastrophic quality control issue far eclipsing a Vavg vs Vrms debacle...

Just my . I could be wrong.

 

[aldenf]

The chip fits perfectly in it with no added cutting, the screen is the only issue, I used a round file to cut most of it, it is not perfect, but I'm not that worried about looks. I could have done a better job, but wanted to get it done, and start using it. Don't have any good pics of it atm, but here is one I posted some time back to show an Expromizer on it.

That's pretty darned good. At the very least a readily available bezel would clean it up rather quickly.

Thanks for the pic!

 

[spartanstew]

I completely agree with you, in theory. Vaping has come a long way in a very short period of time, however. As I've mentioned before, The VAMO has been accurately providing 3-6v @ 5 amps for over two years now (maybe 3?). The VAMO v5 is currently less than $25 on sale. What the iStick brings is an awsome form factor! The internal battery is actually a minor con, IMHO. I'd prefer to pay $25 for an iStick and throw my own 2900 mAh 18650 in it.

I don't think it's too much to expect Eleaf to get the programming of their chipset correct. What these manufacturers are doing is not rocket science. This technology is far from new. It is simply being re-purposed for our use and should not cost a great deal of money. These companies are preying on the struggles that vapers have toiled through over the past four or five years. There is no reason why a 3 to 6 volt, 3 to 30 watt, 5 amp device, with the iStick's form factor is not readily available for well under $50, shipping included. What we do and should pay more for is the increased craftsmanship and build quality of a device. In many ways a VAMO v5 outperforms a Provari v2.5, yet costs less than 17% of a Provari. Anyone who's ever held and vaped a Provari understands why. Craftsmanship and build quality require better materials and skilled labor. The Provari is worth every cent Provape charges for it. It's a Mercedes Benz. I don't need or want a Benz. I am perfectly happy with a reasonable performing Hyundai, ie. iStick. The iStick is a Hyundai from 1988, however, before they got their act together in North America.

The current iStick is probably great for many vapers as it is. My point, simply, is that, as a united whole, we should start demanding that manufacturers get their act together and start offering reasonable products at reasonable prices. It really isn't too much to ask or expect. As long as we settle for mediocrity, that's all we're going to get unless we pay through the nose. This is an easy, cheap problem to fix, that Eleaf should never have allowed to happen in the first place. They should simply fix it. I realize that business ethics, responsibility, customer service and pride in product ain't what they used to be. But can't one hope?

This is just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Since this is a Big Thread. Refresh My Memory.

Do you Own an iStick?

I don't believe so.

What a brilliant little device! The form factor and price are amazing. I will wait to pull the trigger on one (or more!) until I see a review from someone with the technology to measure things accurately.