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I always read comments that say the 20w doesn't down regulate below 4 volts. I took these pics with my 20w today. It's set to 3 volts. I also turned it up and got readings that were consistent with the set voltage.

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The fact that your inline voltage meter reads PWM signal at all is great! However, all meters costing <$500 that can read PWM do so in voltage-average (Vavg, ie mean) only. About 9000 posts ago, I stated that the original istick regulated extremely well, which it does. It's simply tuned to Vavg instead of Vrms. :facepalm:
 

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I always read comments that say the 20w doesn't down regulate below 4 volts. I took these pics with my 20w today. It's set to 3 volts. I also turned it up and got readings that were consistent with the set voltage.

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Oh!

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Well, let's see how to say this....

I failed with the same argument, using my voltmeters (analogue and digital). They cannot measure waves well....

They measure mean voltages (and currents) instead of Root Mean Squared (RMS) ones......

As the power goes proportional to the squared power of voltage (and current too), you need a RMS measure, which can only be obtained by oscilloscopes or devoted voltmeters (those Fluke with a tiny resistor inside, which compare the heat from the source and from a probe current internally fed).

Anyway, if you know the maximum (as peak) voltage of a squared-form output (like PWM outputs on the iStick-20W), it happens that VRMS=Vpeak/Vmean, and Vmean is probably that one that you get with your in-line voltmeter, or a normal voltmeter......

So, knowing that the peak voltage of the 20W is about 5,65 - 5,8 V (at full battery charge), it happens that your actual VRMS when you set it at 3,0 V is about 4,10 - 4,15 V, which, just accidentally, is about the same that a full charged Li-ion battery (4,20 V)....

But it can go below battery output...they just put averages instead RMS on the chip, so they spoiled the chip capabilities with the software (and without upgrading available!).

As a matter of fact, the 20W does a hell of a job outputting a really steady voltage...it is just average instead the expected RMS.....:facepalm:

The 30W and the 50W output a sinewave-like but mostly like a DC flat, just curly or wavy (about a 5 % of wavy tops,and with a really high frequency) and in this case averages and RMS are, basically, the same, so they output real power, as they show it on their screens...

The 20W does show about 180 -190% of excess, at 3,0 V!


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Sorry Folks!
 

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Oh!

:facepalm:

Warning!

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Well, let's see how to say this....

I failed with the same argument, using my voltmeters (analogue and digital). They cannot measure waves well....

They measure mean voltages (and currents) instead of Root Mean Squared (RMS) ones......

As the power goes proportional to the squared power of voltage (and current too), you need a RMS measure, which can only be obtained by oscilloscopes or devoted voltmeters (those Fluke with a tiny resistor inside, which compare the heat from the source and from a probe current internally fed).

Anyway, if you know the maximum (as peak) voltage of a squared-form output (like PWM outputs on the istick-20W), it happens that VRMS=Vpeak/Vmean, and Vmean is probably that one that you get with your in-line voltmeter, or a normal voltmeter......

So, knowing that the peak voltage of the 20W is about 5,65 - 5,8 V (at full battery charge), it happens that your actual VRMS when you set it at 3,0 V is about 4,10 - 4,15 V, which, just accidentally, is about the same that a full charged Li-ion battery (4,20 V)....

But it can go below battery output...they just put averages instead RMS on the chip, so they spoiled the chip capabilities with the software (and without upgrading available!).

As a matter of fact, the 20W does a hell of a job outputting a really steady voltage...it is just average instead the expected RMS.....:facepalm:

The 30W and the 50W output a sinewave-like but mostly like a DC flat, just curly or wavy (about a 5 % of wavy tops,and with a really high frequency) and in this case averages and RMS are, basically, the same, so they output real power, as they show it on their screens...

The 20W does show about 180 -190% of excess, at 3,0 V!


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Sorry Folks!
OK, my short attention span wouldn't allow me to read your entire post but I gather that it's my voltmeter's fault. Why didn't you just say that:D
 

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Well, speaking of beaten horses...

... I edited my answer to put links to my former inaccurate statements.... I'm human, after all......:facepalm:

OK, my short attention span wouldn't allow me to read your entire post but I gather that it's my voltmeter's fault. Why didn't you just say that

I'm such a convoluted a retorted and.... all that jazz.....guy!

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.../...
Anyway, if you know the maximum (as peak) voltage of a squared-form output (like PWM outputs on the iStick-20W), it happens that VRMS=Vpeak/Vmean, and Vmean is probably that one that you get with your in-line voltmeter, or a normal voltmeter......
.../...



Yes!

As you gracefully pointed out, I've got some memory disorder....

The formulas are good (yours, that is, those linked) and my short resume is not. But it was (good) on the source 'paper':
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I always preferred to use graphs instead of calculations or 'rules of thumb', but it is surely better (and you'll end sooner) just to ignore everything and use your taste buds....or purchase a well adjusted 30W or 50W....:D

Or two.....:p

But if you like them:
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(Now it's the time of throwing me tomatoes and all that 'other' jazz)
 

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Hi guys. I'm an MVP 20w user. Love it, but switching teams. MVP is going to be my out of the house /backup battery. The 50w is too hard to pass up for a few reasons.

The wife wants one to lay with now too. Since she doesn't vape much, would the 20w be ok? I know there were thread issues, and rattles, but if it's treated gently, would it negate the issues?

Does the bending adapter fix the thread issues? If I add the bendy adapter, I might as well just get the 30watt instead. I just answered my own question I think.

Can you guys put my mind at ease and tell me the build quality is on par with the MVP?

Can we use the MVP to charge our iSticks? Best of both worlds. :lol:
 

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Well hellzbellz !!!


Now my blue one is not charging :cry:


I turn them off, plug them in, the little charging bar runs and runs like normal...but they don't charge. What the heck ?
The blue one, I don't think I have charged 5 times even...I mostly use the pink one.


am gonna cry !!!
 

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Well hellzbellz !!!


Now my blue one is not charging :cry:


I turn them off, plug them in, the little charging bar runs and runs like normal...but they don't charge. What the heck ?
The blue one, I don't think I have charged 5 times even...I mostly use the pink one.


am gonna cry !!!
Bad charger or cord maybe?
 

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Well hellzbellz !!!


Now my blue one is not charging :cry:


I turn them off, plug them in, the little charging bar runs and runs like normal...but they don't charge. What the heck ?
The blue one, I don't think I have charged 5 times even...I mostly use the pink one.


am gonna cry !!!

Maybe the charger Wife with class?
 
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