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Electronic ciggarettes are not what you think
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It is already there in the link I quoted.
Googling, nicotine mutations cancer ,brings plenty of results quoting scientific studies.
Your link states from the gitgo and proceeds to build on the premise that:
"tobacco use is considered the single most important man-made cause of cancer that can be avoided. The evidence that nicotine is involved in cancer development is reviewed and discussed in this paper. Both tobacco smoke and tobacco products for oral use contain a number of carcinogenic substances, such as polycyclic hydrocarbons and tobacco-specific N-nitrosamines (TSNA), which undoubtedly contribute to tobacco related cancer."
NOTE THE WORD TOBACCO.
Such is not the case with pure nicotine in a solution of VG/PG.
Moreover, further on down the 'review' (as opposed to a full study)you quote it is alleged
that tobacco derived nicotine causes x number of effects but I don't see any numbers or proof. You've not
provided authority for your allegation.
Furthermore, my ex wife worked at a popular cancer research institute gavaging rats for studies on cancer causing substances. The amounts of nicotine used in such studies is equivalent to a person
ingesting pure nicotine over several lifetimes.
Moreover still, cancer research is a 124.6 billion dollar industry (last time I checked it was only $12 billion)
and not one member of that industry wants to be out of a job.
My ex would come home ...... off for the reason that such studies were not scientifically valid
and because whenever a study was getting close to a conclusion either way the study would be scrapped.
Now, regardless of whether Ayurvedic or allopathic, if your physician told you to not use nicotine
then I'll not argue with his recommendation but I will argue
that nicotine has not been shown to influence cancer either in causing it's growth or remission.
However, the question arises, if you don't use nicotine then do you vape 0 nic juice?
If you do then aren't you concerned that vaping might irritate your throat?
If you don't vape at all then what are you doing in this forum? Perhaps spreading misinformation?
A friend just messaged me this link:
Nicotine, the Wonder Drug? | DiscoverMagazine.com
might be of interest...
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my doc said for me not to be as concerned about the nicotine intake. He just said it was just good that I got away from all ofvthe other chemicals in cigs.
One step at a time, always making progress.
One step at a time, always making progress.
Not only that.. when someone has cancer, the doctors don't recommend people quit smoking for fear of causing the existing cancer to grow or become unmanageable. They recommend people quit for future cancer.. not current cancer.
My daughter smoked some, not much but a few every day ( between 5 -7) and when she was hospitalized with an unrelated cancer (cervical) they didn't ever recommend she quit smoking. And this was only three years ago. If I wasn't there to take my daughter out to go have a cigarette and she wanted one.. one of the nurses would take her out.
No one surrounding her care, cared about the smoking doing anything to her current cancer, the only concern is ever for other types of cancer in the future, and when she was dying, that stopped being a concern.
She did sound like she was contradicting herself. They don't work was the 1st thing out her mouth. When I asked why she choose ecigs she then said for when she's not able to smoke. The longest part of the conversation was more with her mom.
Everything I explained to her mom, the daughter came back with what I call nonsense. I got the sense she wanted to sound like she knew what she was talking about but she was out there in left field all by herself.
Still not sure what was so rude. Op says Addicted for 5yrs{to Smoking?} 2yrs using e-cig.
Well 2 is not 5 and nothing about Switching or Dual use. No Question about proper use, stepping down or indication of Vaping style/Equipment, etc.
Reads as a PSA against Vaping.
Mentions some relevant experiences of minorities of Vapers. Acme, Dehydration, etc, but lumps them as all encompassing, Effecting everyone.
Then there is the stereo typical Anti-Freeze Reference.
Still sounds like a misinformed PSA to me.
If it was a Concerned Vaper, one would expect a Question or two, not schooling on the Danger of Nicotine.
Not trying to be or sound rude, just calling it as I Saw it.
Tiptoeing my happy self out if here.
Good luck to all
Well 2 is not 5 and nothing about Switching or Dual use. No Question about proper use, stepping down or indication of Vaping style/Equipment, etc.
Reads as a PSA against Vaping.
Mentions some relevant experiences of minorities of Vapers. Acme, Dehydration, etc, but lumps them as all encompassing, Effecting everyone.
Then there is the stereo typical Anti-Freeze Reference.
Still sounds like a misinformed PSA to me.
If it was a Concerned Vaper, one would expect a Question or two, not schooling on the Danger of Nicotine.
Not trying to be or sound rude, just calling it as I Saw it.
Tiptoeing my happy self out if here.
Good luck to all
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Yea, @Opinionated , you know how hard it was to like your post?
But yea, what better than first hand experience. You don't really want to make the body through any unnecessary changes when treating cancer. It's already dealing with enough trauma. Sure if something is going to exacerbate a problem then by all means stop it at once. I think in this guy's situation it's more of a don't put anything in your throat that will stress it rather than a no nic prescription.
Here's a moreover, it's possible that nicotine may have a stimulating effect on leukocytes and T-cells.
This is in the avant garde edge so I can't provide documentation. Stay tuned.
Me too, by the end of it, after my last failure on the patch (which actually increased my tolerance) I was closer to 70+ a dayglad you quit... I was getting winded just reading how you smoked
Just walking to the mailbox about 100 yards away I'd be out of breath, no running... no jogging... just walking slow... I felt like I was 80... I was 33... and I can run now... I cycle a lot now and jog a little, I do about 2km each day... It's not really that much but I couldn't dream about doing it a year and a half ago... I do a lot of the things I used to just sit there and watch people do because I knew I wouldn't last long...
It doesn't matter how many bad things people say, I know how much vaping improved my life, hell I probably would have died sooner than later... Vaping saved my life and now I fight to save vaping!
Yeap pretty much lol... My mother inlaw smokes super ultralight ones, it had like 2 rings of holes on them, I'd have like 4mm of filter left >.<Yup, that's where they marked them so you could cut along the dotted line and get the full satisfaction that you desired
Hello and welcome to the forums!
There have been a lot of negative press regarding e-cigarettes. However, I highly suggest you do some research first. However, when you do your research, look at BOTH sides of the story, and definitely check their resources, most of it is rumors with no scientific evidence, and others are scientific evidence using inflated test conditions, and some are just scare tactics. I will just point out ONE of your arguments of vaping... the fact that it causes skin necrosis.
For one, I have clear skin. I have been vaping for a few years now, and have had no skin issues. Most studies about Nicotine involve smoking... and smoking is NOT The same as vaping. There are thousands of chemicals in a traditional cigarette. Many of those chemicals interact with each other containing an entirely different affect than just using one chemical alone. When you look at any study, see if it was Nocotine from the whole tobacco, or just nicotine EXTRACTED... they are two different things to look for.
Good luck in your research... judging by the many comments deleted, you can see people get quite aggressive on the subject.
Why are cigarettes addictive? Nicotine has been villainized as the culprit, but it may not be nicotine in itself that makes them so. Rather, it's likely the MAO inhibitors found in burning tobacco coupled with nicotine. Nicotine on its own has been found to be much less addictive than previously believed.
Monoamine Oxidase Inhibition Dramatically Increases the Motivation to Self-Administer Nicotine in Rats
These compounds are not present in e-liquid, which could be why vapers (in general?) have an easy time cutting down their nic levels, many to 0 level, some quitting altogether. I myself have cut down from 30mg to 10mg over the years.
I know at least some (many/most/all?) vapers have found they suffer withdrawals when switching from smoking to vaping. We are getting nicotine, so what are we withdrawing from? Perhaps compounds found in burning tobacco are responsible. Once the withdrawals are done, vapers (in general?) find they finally have a measure of control over the addiction (the addiction, IMO, includes the rituals and the hand to mouth thing- could this play a bigger part than nicotine?).
This has been true for me and I know for others, but I can't say it's true for all vapers. Oh, and I have no skin issues. The last years I smoked, I did not enjoy it at all. I do enjoy vaping. I might vape until the day I die and I don't see the issue with that.
Most of the people I know here come for support.
Ahh and that might be the case.. I suppose if you want to smoke 90% of the time, and want to vape the other 10% they aren't going to do anything for withdrawal symptoms either. Your still going to want a cigarette.
That actually could be a symptom of listening too much to non vapors about vaping. The FDA would certainly have the general public thinking cigarettes and electronic devices are the exact same thing. And then hearing people talk about vaping making it possible to quit.. yeah..just listening too much to non vapors and getting mixed signals about what vaping even is.
You did hit the nail on the head there then. Good you were able to set a few things straight for the mom.. maybe if the mom tries it out with good information, then she can later turn and teach the daughter the right information too.
Seems people are getting emotional over nicotine (Like other things).
There is insufficient evidence to prove that nicotine as such causes cancer.
My post is about "cancer patients" .
Nicotine speeds up cancer growth once somebody already have cancer.
I am not going to answer silly conjectures.
Those who can actually has the patience to read articles fully, here is another one.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?
About nicotine gum usage resulting in cancer promoting nicotine derivative nnk.
The migration of tobacco-specific nitrosamines into the saliva of chewers of nicotine-containing chewing gum. - PubMed - NCBI
There is insufficient evidence to prove that nicotine as such causes cancer.
My post is about "cancer patients" .
Nicotine speeds up cancer growth once somebody already have cancer.
I am not going to answer silly conjectures.
Those who can actually has the patience to read articles fully, here is another one.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?
About nicotine gum usage resulting in cancer promoting nicotine derivative nnk.
The migration of tobacco-specific nitrosamines into the saliva of chewers of nicotine-containing chewing gum. - PubMed - NCBI
The 5 post rule in New Members was done away with nearly a year ago.
I sm math-stupid but would like to figure out my smoking vs vaping numbers of nic. Can you please give me the way to do it (add this to this, divide this to that etc).
I'll believe that when doctors start acting like it during people's cancer treatments.
As I said, my daughter's doctor wanted her to quit smoking when she first got cancer due to her apparently higher cancer risk for future smoking related cancers but didn't feel she needed to quit right then, and never asked her to quit immediately.. probably due to the stress she was under dealing with cancer and the stress of quitting. Then, once she was dying, the issue of quitting even in the future was a moot point, and no longer mattered.
She was under the best care in the best hospitals in this nation, and it was never once said by any doctor (and she had a team of them) that she needed to quit immediately because smoking aggravated her current cancer and/or made her cancer harder to treat.
When doctor's themselves feel like adequate research has been done and is true, they act accordingly.. And right now, they aren't acting according to your statements, no matter what you dig up in crackpot science.
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