Electronic ciggarettes are not what you think

[440BB]

I miss the five post rule myself. It was much easier to skip by the occasional whiner than weed out the garbage.

 

[Mazinny]

Right now there is 4.25 guests for every member on line. The general public is here all the time...

Maybe this is a good opportunity to turn this thread into a positive one anyway, and discuss effective ways to respond to posts like the op. I think we can do better than the first page of this thread, where more posts were deleted than allowed to remain.

 

[defdock]

And how do you report a thread again?

Im suprized this is still up...

 

[LilWhiteClouder]

Hear me out. E-cigs are simply a substitute, hell even a worse substitute for smoking. I have been addicted for 5 years now, and I used E-cigs for 2 of those years. People, smoking cigarettes is not the problem, the problem is nicotine! It is the DRUG, a highly addictive one at that, which keeps you addicted. Now imagine you have a hand tool at your disposal at all times, doesn't require going outside and lighting up in a controlled fashion, just a tool that you can press a button any time to get the nicotine, that is what an E-cig is! I know I ingested the most nicotine ever when I used a vape. The fact that you can just press the button several times a minute and inhale with no concern means you will ingest more nicotine. And of course, with the way our brains work, you will become more powerless to avoid pressing that button and inhaling, because it feels oh so good with every cloud. Another problem I wanted to address is your skin. There have been a lot of questions and rumors about vaping and acne. These aren't rumors, they are fact. Persistent vaping each day will indeed cause skin problems, especially on your face. It is not traditional acne, it is a form of skin necrosis. Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, and of course vaping encourages an even more prevelant dosage of nicotine in your blood stream at all times of the day. This constant vaping, along with the effect of propelyne glycol, a main ingredient in E liquids (also used in anti-freeze) will dry out the skin and constrict the flow of skin enriching nutrients through your blood vessels. This will cause dry, itchy, irritated skin with in-grown red bumps. This happens because you are constantly de-hydrating your skin while simultaneously constricting the blood vessels. Whether it's cigarettes or vapes, both are just horrible for your lungs,heart and your skin. My advice is to seek professional help, and maybe start on a nicotine gum or lozenge that you can ween off of. Those products are not pleasurable compared to vaping, which is why they will work better in terms of quitting. Vaping nicotine will never make you quit because vaping feels even better!

I had to like this because I was laughing so hard. You meant this as a joke, yes Funny. I'm in over a year to vaping and have not had any skin related conditions to date. Granted I drink at least 8-10 ounces of water a day, minimum.
Your ideas on Nicotine seem very outdated. You may want to bone up on the most recent nicotine studies.

 

[zoiDman]

Maybe this is a good opportunity to turn this thread into a positive one anyway, and discuss effective ways to respond to posts like the op. I think we can do better than the first page of this thread, where more posts were deleted than allowed to remain.

There has been a number of Published Studies released in the Last Year that has shown Very Positive Benefits of e-Cigarette use as Harm Reduction. Perhaps placing them in a Non-Repliable thread would be a Good Idea?

Then Users can Point someone like the OP to those Studies. And Guests can also view them Without having to wade thru all the Normal Posting that a Thread Receives.

 

[440BB]

There has been a number of Published Studies released in the Last Year that has shown Very Positive Benefits of e-Cigarette use as Harm Reduction. Perhaps placing them in a Non-Repliable thread would be a Good Idea?

Then Users can Point someone like the OP to those Studies. And Guests can also view them Without having to wade thru all the Normal Posting that a Thread Receives.

That is a good idea and I support it!

 

[Mazinny]

There has been a number of Published Studies released in the Last Year that has shown Very Positive Benefits of e-Cigarette use as Harm Reduction. Perhaps placing them in a Non-Repliable thread would be a Good Idea?

Then Users can Point someone like the OP to those Studies. And Guests can also view them Without having to wade thru all the Normal Posting that a Thread Receives.

Yes, here is the most recent one i have seen being discussed in a different thread.

Experiment Confirms Lifesaving Potential of E-Cigarettes

 

[mikepetro]

There has been a number of Published Studies released in the Last Year that has shown Very Positive Benefits of e-Cigarette use as Harm Reduction. Perhaps placing them in a Non-Repliable thread would be a Good Idea?

Then Users can Point someone like the OP to those Studies. And Guests can also view them Without having to wade thru all the Normal Posting that a Thread Receives.

I really really really like that idea.

A locked sticky thread of bonafide science articles and/or links. Only the the real stuff, no unsubstantiated pro or con propaganda.

Candidates for new links can be submitted.... (how, certainly not hard).

 

[retired1]

Next one that throws the troll word out in this thread will earn a vacation from ECF. Enough is enough.

 

[Burnie]

There has been a number of Published Studies released in the Last Year that has shown Very Positive Benefits of e-Cigarette use as Harm Reduction. Perhaps placing them in a Non-Repliable thread would be a Good Idea?

Then Users can Point someone like the OP to those Studies. And Guests can also view them Without having to wade thru all the Normal Posting that a Thread Receives.

That is a good idea and I support it!

I really really really like that idea.

A locked sticky thread of bonafide science articles and/or links. Only the the real stuff, no unsubstantiated pro or con propaganda.

Candidates for new links can be submitted.... (how, certainly not hard).

Very good idea, but something I think a Mod would have to do, Any Volunteers?

 

[seminolewind]

Last time I checked, inhaling burning tobacco that's been treated to protect it from bugs and rats causes cancer. Nicotine is a stimulant. Most of the research done on nicotine has been with cigarettes. But it's not known to cause cancer. Just mostly do what a cup of coffee would do, or espresso for some.

I think the major problem with cigarette addiction is that nicotine is addictive, but over the years you set up your whole life around smoking, friends, jobs, activities, smoking right up to the door of non smoking areas. When I quit, it was like a release from the chains of all the things I did to continue to smoke, all the routines, etc. So I feel that the habit or addiction is not only the nicotine, it's also the way you build your life around smoking. It makes it very hard to pull away from that with a patch , lozenge, or gum. The hardest part for me was giving up the hand to mouth, something to do with my hands, or even ability to focus without a cigarette in my hand. That's why these ecigs worked for me. Nothing else would have. Many times the ecig is just in my hand and that's all I need. I don't have those panicky thoughts anymore of when my next cigarette will be. I take a vape or two and I'm ready to go.

 

[seminolewind]

Very good idea, but something I think a Mod would have to do, Any Volunteers?

CASAA would be the one to put something like that together.

 

[zoiDman]

CASAA would be the one to put something like that together.

CASAA has a Study Section.

But they are Redesigning their website. So that section is not Currently available.

 

[Mazinny]

CASAA would be the one to put something like that together.

They may be working on it.

E-Cigarettes: The Science - CASAA

 

[Burnie]

CASAA would be the one to put something like that together.

True, but a locked/stickied thread a mod would have to do, and only a mod could edit it as needed.

 

[Racehorse]

wow... this thread has the highest count of removed posts ever

I think that is a sad reflection on the ability of some members to tolerate different views.

We don't want to become like the rabid anti smokers who also could not and still cannnot tolerate other opinions, right?

OP is obviously mis-informed, but this was a good opportunity to show them why, and how, and explain things to them. That's how you educate people instead of making enemies.

 

[NOVA jon]

Good thing we all have the ability to make up our own minds and find the factual information unlike what the OP seems to have done before making his first and at this time only post! I understand wanting to share an opinion but blatant disregard for factual info is mind boggling.

 

[seminolewind]

I "had" a gf who was pretty intelligent and a nurse for 30 years. She calls me up one day. I have been vaping since I met her 7 years ago.

me: I had my annual physical today.
Her: Did you tell the doctor you smoke?
me: I don't smoke
Her: yes you do , vaping is just as bad as smoking
me: No, it's not . smoking is inhaling burning tobacco
Her: No, smoking is inhaling nicotine , exactly what you're doing
me: Nicotine is a stimulant like coffee
Her: Nicotine is a poison and you are also inhaling antifreeze.
me: there is no antifreeze in e-cigs.
Her: Yes there is. I read it on the internet (LOL)
me: You should read the true stuff too
Her: NOW you're making ME mad!
me: I have been knee deep in vaping , the facts, and the politics for 7 years. I'm not wrong.
Her: I can't believe you're arguing this with me! (LOL)
me: we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Her: Are you saying I'm stupid?
Me: no, just that we don't agree on this
Her: I can't believe you can't see that I'm right!
me: I've been involved with this for years.
Her: Gotta go! (click)

Needless to say, we're not friends anymore because of this and other subjects. And this conversation is with someone who should know better.

 

[Racehorse]

What you may not realize is that this forum is full of people who already tried gum, patches, Chantix, Zyban, hypnosis and simple cold turkey and didn't succeed in stopping smoking.

But, that is not to say that millions of people HAVE quit using those methods.

I kinda don't like phoo-phooing any NRT methods since there are more than one way to skin a cat. For the record, I did quit smoking for 5 years using Chantix, before vaping was available. Then, I had some very stressful situations / life events happen, right around the time vaping became available, so I chose to start vaping since I was sliding back onto cigs due to stress.

I can't honestly say that vaping is 100% successful for some people either. It isn't. Many people for different reasons either can't vape or just don't take to it. I certainly encourage them to try other NRT systems.

This is, as you say, a "vaping forum", not a patch, chantix, zyban, hypnosis forum, so of course you're going to get 100% vaping opinions.

I just don't want to become so closed-minded as to recognize that everyone is different and different things do work for different people. SNUS, too.

The exact thing that the OP is being attacked for (being closed-minded) ....... we don't want to be the same way, right?????

 

[sparkky1]

Clearly directed to the public community,
Electronic ciggarettes are not what you think
"People, smoking cigarettes is not the problem", what's wrong with this statement ?