employers telling people they arent allowed to vape
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Yes, obviously you *remember* when insurers could lock you out if you had ANY pre-existing conditions they didn't want to pay for.
It's amazing to me that people just take these things for granted.
I had friends who were diagnosed with cancer, etc. back in the day, then got laid off from work (when it was legal to discriminate against people who had AIDS and stuff like that) and could NOT get their next insurer to pick them up.
Please people, know your history a little before you complain ENDLESSLY. You aren't even grateful for these things, I guess.
NO NO NO! Since when has is been proven that vaping is a "very unhealthy life style".
Additionally, you have no idea why anyone but yourself ingests certain substances, none!
Typical ANTZ speak give em an inch they take a mile. Stick to the facts.
Maybe that's just NUTZ, lol. Did I say vaping?? No, you did.
Since when does the insurance have to prove it causes harm when deciding someones rates?? Stick to actual facts. They consider nicotine harmful.
Oh nnnooooo. I still have to pay (via large monthly deductible from my paycheck) for my health insurance. I just have to take a $20 per paycheck penalty for vaping and/or smoking. You'd think working for a large health insurance company would mean cheap health insurance, right? Yeah not so much. Not only that, last year I was looking for employment and I ran across job postings at some other health insurance companies. They actually included nicotine in the hiring drug test. If they find nicotine in your system it was just as bad as hard drugs and your application would be immediately tossed.
Which totally does not make sense. Nicotine is legal. No matter what form.
Nope - makes no sense at all. Google it and you will find articles from plenty of news sources about it. I actually saw it myself in a couple job postings I was thinking of applying for. Until I got to the end of the posting and saw nicotine being included as part of the drug screening.
Oh I believe you. My son and daughter-in-law are nurses and they were tested for nic before being hired at the hospital they worked at in Michigan. That is pretty much a state wide procedure there. It totally is
!I guess I can understand. Ya know, nicotine is addictive and really hard to come by legally. While at work and under the influence of nicotine I could make dire mistakes and put a decimal in the wrong place while coding (the job postings I saw were for tech positions). Not only that, to support my nicotine habit I may be more likely to steal things from the office to sell on the black market to support my nicotine habit.Oh I believe you. My son and daughter-in-law are nurses and they were tested for nic before being hired at the hospital they worked at in Michigan. That is pretty much a state wide procedure there. It totally is
Idiots.
Robino, I don't agree. Not because I don't support vaping in the workplace, but because it doesn't come anywhere close to what one's vital considerations really are when one is building or maintaining a career.
The truth is that most employers will do quite a bit to *retain* their most valuable employees.
Many exec salaries are directly tied to stock performance.....they need performers.Those employees earn it, by education level, years of experience, and proven results on the job. Complaining about bathroom breaks and vaping at their desks isn't their primary concern.....they are busy with projects, deadlines, and very focused on the WORK.
I thought that too. But looking further, it appears that young people are having just as hard a time finding jobs as older workers.
Why? Because companies are replacing "both" of those categories ---- with foreign workers using H1B visas and then outsourcing to overseas site. Look how many, like Mitt Romney, made his money at Bain Capital.
Today, nobody will be working where their "dad" worked....because the entire base that we had is lost.....to offshore.
At any rate, if one is somewhat unskilled, it is VERY EASY to just replace you with another warm body. That's just reality.
The game is about making yourself VALUABLE.
I assume that after all their training and hard work, they would not turn down a well-salaried position with career potential for vaping.
My point is that its kinda a disservice to encourage people, who need a steady job in a tough economy, to place the ability to vape in the workplace anywhere near the value of being able to bring home a healthy paycheck. If you are supporting yourself or a family, the latter is where the focus needs to be. And these days, somewhat desperately so for many people.
The value system in some of these topics seems to be more about "personal priviledges" at work than about actual work itself.
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Oh sorry my mistake I didn't realize we were discussing early onset dementia.
You made a mistake and your apologizing or just insulting me to be rude because you don't agree?? I believe that's your second personal attack towards me in this thread.
I'm quite a valuable employee. I have over 20 years of professional experience in my career and I have a college degree. I never complain about things like bathroom breaks or vaping at my desk. I don't complain about it at all at work. But here I do complain about the fact that I cant go out in the parking lot and sit in my car for 10 minutes and vape a little a couple times a day. I do complain that my employer, who as you said are trying to retain their most valuable employees, are deducting $20 a paycheck ($40 a month) for my use of nicotine. I'm busy focusing on projects, deadlines and WORK on a daily basis.The truth is that most employers will do quite a bit to *retain* their most valuable employees.
Those employees earn it, by education level, years of experience, and proven results on the job. Complaining about bathroom breaks and vaping at their desks isn't their primary concern.....they are busy with projects, deadlines, and very focused on the WORK.
Chromag9, I am not immune to your plight. I was IN the workforce for 35 years. I went thru some tough stuff ..... in some rocky times, more than once.
The point is that I never expected the workplace to conform to my needs......I conformed to theirs.
That is what you are getting paid for......to do their work.
If and when it became a culture that was not to my liking, I simply put my resume out, and back then there were headhunters who would pick you up if you had a proven track record. Many of my friends started their own companies.
YOUR company doesn't sound like the right "culture" for you! It sounds pretty restrictive. Some people don't need more freedom, and that works for them. For you, it doesn't. You *perceive* that you are a valuable employee, but your particular company values their insurance company more.
Still not sure how that is *their* fault though?
There are so many different workplace cultures out there.I was never able to bring my many beloved dogs to the workplace.
Today, I would use nic lozenges if I was so addicted that I could not go 8 hours w/out nic.
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So is your employer charging you an extra $40 a month to offset the extra charge for you being designated as a smoker? In addition to the normal deduction for your insurance?
Is this being applied to all smokers/vapers in the company?
I guess I'm blessed that I don't work for an employer with corporate policies. I can vape all day long at work.
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Good to see some old timers with good old common sense,
ethics, civility and common courtesy in these parts.
Many of the arguments I see here are reactionary and a bit on the facetious side.
Plants breathe CO2, they inhale carbon dioxide and exhale OXYGEN.
I keep trying to make the point that being reactionary, demanding, and rude
won't get us anywhere except being dismissed entirely. Insisting that we be able to vape in stores, hospitals, schools, ETC.
has little to do with whether vapor is harmful or not. It's a matter of lack common courtesy.
Anybody remember The Golden Rule?
A lot of our younger and even many of our older colleagues here seem to have forgotten
that "you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"
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Hazy
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Indeed. After 11 years at my last employer they decided to downsize and that they didn't need me. I'm glad to be employed.
Wow you seem to be putting words into my mouth. How would you know what the workplace culture is that I'm looking for? From your previous post you seem to think I want to hang out and complain about bathroom breaks and be able to vape away while sitting at my desk. You would be mistaken. I work in a professional environment in a professional position.
Huh?Still not sure how that is *their* fault though?
I was never able to bring my many beloved dogs to the workplace.
Today, I would use nic lozenges if I was so addicted that I could not go 8 hours w/out nic.
Apparently it's not OK for me to come to a forum of people that share my interests to complain about my employer taking $40/mo for a nicotine "penalty" and not allowing vaping or smoking anywhere on property, not even in our own vehicles. Awesome.Yes in addition to. And yes, it's being applied to all smokers/vapers in the entire company. It's part of the new hire process (the affidavit) and we get the same affidavit during the health insurance open enrollment period.
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